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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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I have never noticed that either as I am never outside when it is raining. ill have a look the next time im outside.

 

Hot dry weekend. ....

I hope it rains soon because time is running out :-(

 

I have had cases where in "light rain" the roof did not leak.

But in heavy rain the water flowed over the gutter due to blockage etc.

and it was then that the lower roof started leaking.

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Hot dry weekend. ....

I hope it rains soon because time is running out :-(

 

I have had cases where in "light rain" the roof did not leak.

But in heavy rain the water flowed over the gutter due to blockage etc.

and it was then that the lower roof started leaking.

 

 

 

Good news From what I can see. I've filled the bath numerous times and emptied it. I've removed the bath panels and sprayed water around the edges and no leaks. I've filled the basin and checked overflows and I have flushed the toilet and no leaks. As the weather has been so nice, Later in the afternoon I sprayed the hose on the roof and after a while the roof started leaking. So I think this clarifies the cause of the leak.

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I received the following from the roofer.

Good Afternoon Mr xxxx

The roof provided by (roofer) is complete and the investigation by removing tiles proved there is no leakage from our workmanship. The insurance has been requested and I am waiting to hear back from them with the premium charges. I will again contact Building Control on Monday to see if they intend to inspect again. In the meantime I intend to fax all details of communication to the District Judge’s Office at County Court Monday 19th May 2014 to request a new hearing where I will also request the presence of (building inspector) and I intend to present to the DJ photographic evidence of the completed roof, the dry wood which was revealed once the tiles were stripped back and also your main roof which is in need of urgent repair to eradicate the current leak you are currently experiencing down into the side of your new extension.

I have no further wish to discourse with you the concern you have raised with regards to a leak to once again avoid payment. I will now leave it to the DJ to sum up his findings as to what has taken place since his Order and will be asking for Judgement forthwith.

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Kinger

"I'm not Legal"

Point is they have NOT complied with the Court Order.

Not one point of it.

 

They are stating they are going to contact Building Control on Monday to find out when it can be "signed off".

Then they are going to contact the Court on Monday as well.

 

They want payment before they have complied to the Court Order !!!!!

 

How the "Hell" does that work ?????

 

PS. Good news about the bathroom and the "Tests" !!!

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Are you sure this lot are "Playing with a full deck" ????

 

I can't see the Judge being a "Happy Bunny"

 

Still never mind, let 'em Crack on

 

Wait for Mikes / Site Team input.

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Does anyone know the exact cause of the leak, and where it's coming from? If so why is it always referred to "as a leak" or "still leaking" might make things easier for judge if it's made clear it's undoubtably roofers work.

If it's still unsure, Kinger really needs to get some kind of surveyors report on the entire roof, old and new, in fact I would do that anyway, I would also get a solicitor for the hearing too.

 

It seems to me that Kinger is not being taken seriously, and roofer is taking control.

 

Give yourself a fighting chance Kinger, and spend a couple of thousand pounds now, or end up spending that plus more putting the work right.

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Ignore it and do what you intend to do.... It needs to comply with the order prior to settlement, its not entirely clear to me what it hopes to achieve by referring anything to the court prior to its compliance.

 

If it is daft enough to force the issue there's little option for you but to cross apply in the instruction of a sje.... Self defeating really.

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Ignore it and do what you intend to do.... It needs to comply with the order prior to settlement, its not entirely clear to me what it hopes to achieve by referring anything to the court prior to its compliance.

 

If it is daft enough to force the issue there's little option for you but to cross apply in the instruction of a sje.... Self defeating really.

 

Thanks a lot mike Mike. Would we split the cost 50/50? And would the judge contact them directly or would one of us have to instruct the sje? Also who would find the sje?

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Instructing party would usually underwrite cost but general rule is that each party is equally and severally liable... In essence the part 35 witness needs to be assured that its costs will be met whatever the outcome at trial.

 

The court can't advise but will have knowledge of a few experts, you could always Google local CPR 35 compliant experts in the field you require.

 

You'd need to apply to the court....and its not a forgone conclusion that relief would be granted. I think I may have mentioned it several times!

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You'd need to apply to the court....and its not a forgone conclusion that relief would be granted. I think I may have mentioned it several times!

 

Mike

Thank you again for your input on this matter.

 

If "relief" is not granted.

What would be the likely outcome ?? .... Because "roofer" has failed to comply with the Court Order.

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I'd cross that bridge if/when it happens. If the roofer fails to comply [ergo, no settlement] I'm pretty sure he'd be asking the court to vary the order so that he can receive payment prior to issuing guarantee. I'm not sure the court would be prepared to dilute the remedy previously ordered without alternative checks in place.

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Ignore it and do what you intend to do.... It needs to comply with the order prior to settlement, its not entirely clear to me what it hopes to achieve by referring anything to the court prior to its compliance.

 

If it is daft enough to force the issue there's little option for you but to cross apply in the instruction of a sje.... Self defeating really.

 

Mike

Going on that information.

 

How would Kinger know if they have forced the issue ?

Would the Court offer Kinger the option of a sje after that ?

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I'm not sure that he's failed to comply as yet, there's no dates specified within the order so unless he refers it back to the DJ its open to interpretation of when building control should attend (its not a party so can't be forced) and when the guarantee must be presented. Delays just mean he won't be paid so there's no financial bias for kinger.

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An update:

 

A document has been received from the roofer which shows their application to the judge to request another hearing. In the document is states

 

1. I am deliberately avoiding payment by refusing to accept that the leak is due to my own property and not their work. They have enclosed photographs of my flat roof with a small puddle on which allegedly proves this.

 

2.They are requesting the presence of the building inspector in the court hearing.

 

3.They have applied for an insurance backed warranty but have not received the documentation.

 

4.According to them the building inspector has informed them that new bubuilding regulations no longer require any signing off.

 

5. The document includes numerous photographs of my velux windows with the exposed flashing after the surrounding tiles have been removed. These black and white photos are supposed to show that the wood is "bone dry" and that there has never been any leaks. These photos actually show severe damage to the flashing in my view and the view of F16

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It's entirely up to you how you approach this Kinger, either write to the court in the form of a witness statement expressing your concerns that it is demanding payment ahead of its compliance with the order or file a formal application for relief to instruct and act on the evidence of a single joint expert.

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It's entirely up to you how you approach this Kinger, either write to the court in the form of a witness statement expressing your concerns that it is demanding payment ahead of its compliance with the order or file a formal application for relief to instruct and act on the evidence of a single joint expert.

 

 

 

Thanks Mike. I have applied to the court and written the following

 

 

Dear Judge xxxx,

I am writing to inform you that the Claimant has not adhered to the judgement you passed. The building inspector has informed me since your judgement that inspecting and ensuring the roof is correctly and competently installed is beyond the remit of building control. He has suggested obtaining a statutory inspection to evaluate the condition of the roof.

After the Claimant’s workers attended my property on 12/05/2014 the roof is still leaking and the claimant is stating that the leak is due to defects on my main house roof. I robustly deny that this is the case. I cannot see any other way to resolve this except by instructing a single joint expert witness to examine my property and provide a report for the court. I have conducted research and found xxxx from “xxxxxx Building Surveyors to be suitably qualified. He is the only Surveyor xxxxxx registered as an Expert Witness for xxxxxxx. I have attached his CV for your consideration. I request you vary the order to allow the instruction of a single joint expert.

If you grant permission for an expert witness, and the report shows that the roof is not fit for purpose, may I request you reconsider my counterclaim. I am attaching email correspondence between myself and the building inspector and the Claimant.

Yours sincerely,

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I am also thinking of sending this to the roofer. Is this worthwhile?

 

 

Dear Roofer,

I have received your correspondence via post and I would like to suggest a remedy to the situation. As you are alleging that the cause of the leaking roof is due to defects on my main roof, may I suggest we jointly instruct an expert witness to produce a report.

Building control have informed me evaluating the workmanship of the roof is beyond their remit; they therefore are not qualified to conduct a thorough investigation or produce a report. I feel it would only be fair to contribute equally to the expert witness, and I am more than happy to pay for the full cost of the witness if I am found to be at fault. Likewise I expect "Roofing co" to do so if you are found to be the guilty party.

Kind regards

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I am also thinking of sending this to the roofer. Is this worthwhile?

 

 

Dear Roofer,

I have received your correspondence via post and I would like to suggest a remedy to the situation. As you are alleging that the cause of the leaking roof is due to defects on my main roof, may I suggest we jointly instruct an expert witness to produce a report.

Building control have informed me evaluating the workmanship of the roof is beyond their remit; they therefore are not qualified to conduct a thorough investigation or produce a report. I feel it would only be fair to contribute equally to the expert witness, and I am more than happy to pay for the full cost of the witness if I am found to be at fault. Likewise I expect "Roofing co" to do so if you are found to be the guilty party.

Kind regards

 

I think I'd be asking it why it is asking the court for relief to breach the order.

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