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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
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Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Again, points as above. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) Why serve a delapidations notice? If it's in the terms of the lease to maintain the property to a good standard, then serve an S146 notice instead as it's a clear breach of the lease. 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After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Redact and scan said evidence up for others to look at? Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
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Hi there,

 

I hope someone can help me. being Newbie I am stuck

 

Yesterday I received 2 letters from Bryan Carter solicitors.

 

One Letter and the Other Court forms

 

I have a debt with Lowell who bought the debt from shop direct/LX

 

I defaulted in 2010, and due to having breakdown and being out of work I simply couldn't cope at the time. ( to tell you the truth its all a bit of a blur)

 

I am now getting myself up on my feet and this lands on my doorstep.

 

I don't know what to do? !

 

I really don't want this to end up as a CCJ... as trying to sort myself out and hoping for a mortgage next year.

 

 

do I admit to it?

 

can I try to ask for a settlement figure?

 

do I ask for extra time as most of the Debt is due to Charges on the original account with the cataloge company So I can claim them back?

 

who do I contact the solictors? court or Lowell?

 

Sorry for all the Questions but I am in meltdown over this.

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Is this a proper claim form from the court?

 

Can you remember when the original account was opened?

 

If you can scan and past up the letters in pdt format removing any personal information.

 

Personally i scan to a jpeg use ms paint to edit then convert to a pdf using a free online jpeg to pdf converter. I use bullzip.

Any opinion I give is from personal experience .

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Hi and thank you for your reply :)

 

the Original Catalogue account? .... that was probably 2002/2003 ... could be earlier. sorry I can't remember.

 

the form looks like its from the court? .... has response forms with it. and nottingham county court seal, Printed on not stamped.

 

I will try to up the letters. not sure if I can.

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As a claim has been issued you have a strict timetable to adhere to.

 

What is the date of issue on the claim form?

 

Please type up the particulars of claim verbatim but leave out anything that could identify you.

 

The CPR request which you should send is here

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?387484-LEGAL-CPR-31.14-Request-Request-for-information-when-a-Claim-has-been-issued.

 

You can ask for any documents mentioned in their Particulars of Claim but nothing else.

 

It will not be Lowell who have defaulted you it would have been the original creditor. Lowell will have updated the entry when they bought the debt.

 

If you admit part of the claim or ask for a payment plan then it is a definite judgement against you and the only way to stop that appearing on your file will be to pay the judgement in full within 28 days of the judgement.

 

Have you got any statements of account so that you can see what penalty charges have been levied?

 

The issue date on the claim form will determine your time-line of what you need to do next with the court.

 

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Pointless sending a CCA request as this is a catalogue debt? How much roughly is the claim for?

 

Regards

 

Andy

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The first letter Dated 13th Nov (received 16th) was on Bryan Carter Solicitors headed paper and said:

 

Re our client Lowell Financial Limited.

 

as you have failed to make repayments we have now issued litigation proceedings in the County court. you will recieve a claim in the next 48 hours ..... it was the next letter I opened....

 

Principal Balance £xxxx

Interest £xxx

Court fees £xxxx

Solicitor costs £xxxx

Outstanding £xxxx

 

 

 

Next letter I opened was :

 

Particulars of claim :

 

This claim is for xxxxx the amount due under agreement between the orginal creditor and the defendent to provide finance and /or services and /or Goods

 

This debt was Assigned to /Purchased by Lowell Portfolio I Ltd on the x/x/2010 and notice served pursuant to the law of property Act 1925

 

Particulars

RE Shop Direct - AC No

 

And the Claimant Claims xxxx

 

the Claimant also claim interest pursuant th s69 county court act 1984 from 19/7/2010 to date at 8% per annum amounting to xxx

 

 

The issue date for this is the 13th of NOV the same of the letter ....

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Ok so your time line is...

 

Issue date 13/11 plus 5 for service = 18/11 then plus 14 to acknowledge = 2/12 then another 14 to file a defence =16/12.

 

You can do the acknowledgement on line at MCOL by following the instructions that cam with the claim pack.

 

And get the CPR request off.

 

I see andyorch is now on the thread and will be able to give you more detailed help.

 

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Thank you! I just worked out the service date and started to panic again as its tomorrow! and only received the letters on Saturday.

 

If I file a defence then will they just file a CCJ against my name anyway ? .. sorry so worried about it all

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It is your Acknowledgement of Service date which is the important date.

 

If it were me I would acknowledge and defend all but get that CPR request off tomorrow.

 

If you file a defence you will have the chance of putting your case in court so it is not an automatic CCJ.

 

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right So I get this right :

 

I send off the CPR tomorrow to the solicitors,

I acknowledge the Claim Online , which gives me until the 16th/12 to write up my defence.

 

If the Court doesnt accept my defence,

 

then do I have 28 days to pay in full to stop the CCJ appearing on my Credit file?

 

Many thanks sorry I just dont want to do the wrong thing

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right So I get this right :

 

I send off the CPR tomorrow to the solicitors, Yes

I acknowledge the Claim Online , which gives me until the 16th/12 to write up my defence. Yes

 

If the Court doesnt accept my defence, We can help you with your defence. It may then go to a hearing or Carter may pull out (as he has done before)

 

then do I have 28 days to pay in full to stop the CCJ appearing on my Credit file? If you lose then yes

 

Many thanks sorry I just dont want to do the wrong thing

 

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thank you! I have just completed Online acknowledgment forms, so now will prepare the CPR.

 

Thank you so much for tonight :) you have literally been life savers. will keep you posted and no doubt be back with any results and help needed.

 

you guys Rock! :whoo:

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morning if theres anyone around!

 

I'm just typing up my CPR letter from the Template;

 

And on the bit where it says delete if not in Particulars

 

the only Partculars on my claim form were the orginal catalogue company name and account number

 

So I have left in :-

 

1: the agreement. You will appreciate that in an ordinary case and by reason of the provisions of CPR PD 16 para 7.3, where a claim is based upon a written agreement, a copy of the contract or documents constituting the agreement should be attached to or served with the particulars of claim and the original(s) should be available at the hearing. Further, that any general conditions incorporated in the contract should also be attached.

 

2:The default notice

 

4: the termination notice

 

5: statement of account

 

I thought if they don't have these then it would proceed?

 

thanks :???:

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In the POC you typed up earlier you made no reference to the DN or the termination notice, neither did they mention a statement of account.

 

From what I can see all you can ask for is the agreement and the NOA

Any opinion I give is from personal experience .

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No ...its his standard template response to a CPR request.

 

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buzzie hi there. sorry to jump in just reading threads to see wat i can learn cos i have a thread going here to. wat i can say is dont worry ur self silly the guys here that help with info are fantastic they will help u no end. they are helping me now and have done in the past too. id be lost without these guys here

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