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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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just says as I have ignored the matter can be passed on to the police etc etc.

 

Hmm! Doesn't say 'will' does it. I think it's another bluff

 

I think the one liner tells them that you won't take their 'bovine excrement'. I would send it

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It can, but the police wont be interested in hearing from RLP. If the shop wanted to prosecute, THEY would have done it. IMHO theyre using the police as a threat to try and force you into paying.

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You can just imagine it, can't you:

 

Operator: Hello, Loamshire Police, what's your emergency?

 

Jackie: I want to report a crime; someone stole some false eyelashes from Primark, and were caught by security.

 

Operator: OK, when did this happen?

 

Jackie: A few weeks ago.

 

Operator: so why didn't you report it at the time?

 

Jackie: Because I've been trying to get money from the perpetrators.

 

Operator: What, for Primark?

 

Jackie: No, silly, for me. But they won't pay, despite all my threats, and Primark don't take anyone to court because they know, after the last case I was involved with, that they'll lose.

 

Operator: So why should the police get involved now?

 

Jackie: Because I think I'm really important, and how dare these people not give me money when I demand it, and how dare they look at websites that keep showing how utterly inept and impotent I am. Look here, I once had an ACPO letterhead on my website - they might have forced me to take it down because it was misleading, but that doesn't mean I can't threaten people with the police. I did that with those awful CAG people, you know. I told people they were being investigated by the CID, and I spent loads of money on getting some solicitors to send some big-timing letters to them. Just because a judge decided my claims have a shaky legal basis is no reason for people not to send me money, even when the amounts are made up from my silly matrix, and I've sent them long letters about Magna Carta and everything, is no reason why the police shouldn't do what I say. If people would just realise how important I am, and did what I tell them, we'd all be better off. Well, I'd be better off, which is what this is all about. So, are you going to send the Sweeney round about these eyelashes, or shall I write a long letter to your Chief Constable in green ink?

 

Operator: Would you like me to give you the number of your local mental health service's crisis team?

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I've sent them long letters about Magna Carta

 

I remember that letter! It's things like that, that make you wonder how she gets on in the real world.

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Since youve gone this far already, i would still ignore until something of actual substance turns up, and not one of their increasingly desperate begging letters. When they start to go into multiple pages, stating a lot of pseudo legal nonsense and try and say that CAG and other sites are under investigation by the police, then you know you are at the tail end of their threatograms.

 

 

Hey guys - Just a quick update (I plan to update until this is resolved, so other people can see the outcome)

 

I continued to ignore their letters, as did my friend - and they stopped coming for a while until I received this letter about 3 days ago.

 

It's too long to write so I thought I'd take a picture on my phone of both pages and you can have a read.

 

1) http://i.imgur.com/cR48sfY.jpg

2) http://i.imgur.com/rwidLLL.jpg

 

I know their letters are a load of ****, but if the last bit of "will be passed to a specialist company which recovers debts and undisputed claims for damages" Well, I don't really want that.

 

Any advice guys?

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She means she knows she cant get anything from you so she is threatening a DCA. Remember, there is no debt, so the DCA can be told in plain english where to go :) There certainly arent any damages to her company, so she's full of crap on that front.

 

Carry on ignoring. You are getting close to the end.

 

P.s. That letter is sadly one of her standard form letters where she tried to bully and scare you one last time before she gives up. It gets sent to everyone who doesnt pay.

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Would you not consider sending the one liner thing, or would that just set me back a few steps?

 

So I should expect a red inked letter from the DCA soon, right? I have never replied to RLP's letters - would I reply to the DCA letter?

 

Thanks renegadeimp - You've been a great help!

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Dont send ANYTHING. She knows that you have been given good advice, thats why she sent the letter. As you can see, she even mentions CAG, so we know she's running scared, as she knows that ANY legal claim can be very easily defended now you have found cag. It reeks of desperation from her.

 

They only letter you need to send is to the DCA, if and when they contact you. If that happens, come right back here and we can tell you what to say.

 

If you are still worried, read this thread from a third party point of view, you will soon understand what we are saying.

 

 

Edit: To RLP's 'Boss', Better luck with your next victim. You arent getting money from this one ;)

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Laughable :lol:

 

Co-defendant? In what action precisely? and RLP are instructed to recover the amount claimed by their client? I doubt very much whether the client is actually party to anything after the event, and it is RLP who set the matrix for the amount to be claimed, not the store - that is WHY it cannot be a GENUINE pre-estimate of loss, as those losses would be variable and not a one-size fits all cost.

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Dont send ANYTHING. She knows that you have been given good advice, thats why she sent the letter. As you can see, she even mentions CAG, so we know she's running scared, as she knows that ANY legal claim can be very easily defended now you have found cag. It reeks of desperation from her.

 

They only letter you need to send is to the DCA, if and when they contact you. If that happens, come right back here and we can tell you what to say.

 

If you are still worried, read this thread from a third party point of view, you will soon understand what we are saying.

 

Edit: To RLP's 'Boss', Better luck with your next victim. You arent getting money from this one ;)

 

Ok! Will do.

 

Thanks for the reassurance - I'll come back when I receive the DCA letter.

 

P.s. I think my friend did reply with a letter to RLP, even after I told her not to. I'm not sure what it said - I think something about bringing the attention to RLP that the woman who taken us to the back room said the fine would be no more than £20 or something. I hope this doesn't change anything..

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Just ignore them. RLp are the shadiest company you can possibly meet. As youve seen, they will do and say ANYTHING to get money from you.

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Thanks for updating it, I am doing the same to mine for the same reasons! I am a few RLP 'stages' behind you so it's good to know what is coming.

 

Misery

 

Well, haven't received another letter since.... It's been almost a month and the letter did say something like "if you don't reply within 14 days..."

 

Hope everything goes ok for you Misery1! I will keep it updated.

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I doubt whether you will hear anymore, thanks for posting the letters, it gives us a laugh and shows the depths of despertion RLP will sink to.

 

They must employ a lot of staff who spend all day viewing this site, one must ask, why ?, its certainly not the actions of a reputable or professional company, I can only conclude that they do it to try and give themselves an advantage by snooping on advice given out by this site, they always mention that our advice is not to be trusted and that profesional advice should be sought, firstly they do not know whether contributors here are qualified or not, secondly our advice is the same as has been given out by professional at CAB and qualified solicitors such as Hodson and Townsend who represented the defendants in the Oxford case, see here > http://www.farrarsbuilding.co.uk/members.php.

 

The mention of Acpo in the letter is misleading, note they use the term 'initially', that is because they do not presently agree with RLP's approach. There is also no legal binding to use the CPR process and RLP IMO mis-use it, it is to settle genuine claims before court action and as RLP appear to be very reluctant to puruse court action it is pointless.

 

I for one, would disagree that the 'internet is not a subsitute for relaible legal information, on the contary it has enabled LiP's access to legal information that previously would of been expensive for them to obtain, I myself have represented myself in a variety of civil court cases and have been very successfully even when up against solicitors and counsel.

 

Anyway, good luck, no doubt we will hear more of Jackie and co. in 2014, although hopefulyy their revenue stream is drying up :)

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I'd love to see the so called 'communication' evidence that RLP has with their clients, the fantasy world of RLP.

 

Hey guys - Just a quick update (I plan to update until this is resolved, so other people can see the outcome)

 

I continued to ignore their letters, as did my friend - and they stopped coming for a while until I received this letter about 3 days ago.

 

It's too long to write so I thought I'd take a picture on my phone of both pages and you can have a read.

 

1) http://i.imgur.com/cR48sfY.jpg

2) http://i.imgur.com/rwidLLL.jpg

 

I know their letters are a load of ****, but if the last bit of "will be passed to a specialist company which recovers debts and undisputed claims for damages" Well, I don't really want that.

 

Any advice guys?

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Wonder if a sar would work. After all the communication would be relevant as its about you and your 'case'

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Wonder if a sar would work. After all the communication would be relevant as its about you and your 'case'

 

Who would too SAR go to as a matter of interest, would RLP be the data controller or just the handler ?

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Wonder if a sar would work. After all the communication would be relevant as its about you and your 'case'

 

Save your money. No point in providing even £10 to line the pockets of this outfit. IF there is any relevant "communications", these would come to light IF it ever went to court - This would be highly unlikely to happen in any event.

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Save your money. No point in providing even £10 to line the pockets of this outfit. IF there is any relevant "communications", these would come to light IF it ever went to court - This would be highly unlikely to happen in any event.

 

It was rhetorical, but it would be VERY interesting to see what info RLP actually hold. Remember, they are obliged to provide ALL info that they hold related to you, They cant claim some of it is business sensitive as they dont actually own any legal status towards you or any alleged debt.

 

As for them releasing info IF it went to court. Nope. The owner of RLP would rather keep it secret and lose the case, knowing she would potentially win others. However, with the very public court case last year in oxford, she is very very reluctant to step foot anywhere near a court. However, she still tried to say the judge was wrong in his judgement and made up a hell of a lot of excuses.

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Who would too SAR go to as a matter of interest, would RLP be the data controller or just the handler ?

 

I ask the question because I seem to remember this happening before, if memory serves me right they claimed to be a data handler rather than the controller and as such not confined by section 7, I cannot remember however how the situation was resolved.

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Hey - I got another letter. I think I spoke a little bit too soon!

 

Few questions first though.

 

1. What's a SAR - Would getting one of these benefit me?

 

Here is a picture of the new letter:

 

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So basically in 21 days it's getting transferred to one of these "debt collectors" right?

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If they threaten a DCA

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Hey - I got another letter. I think I spoke a little bit too soon!

 

Few questions first though.

 

1. What's a SAR - Would getting one of these benefit me?

 

Here is a picture of the new letter:

 

http://imgur.com/TjDVQbs

 

So basically in 21 days it's getting transferred to one of these "debt collectors" right?

 

File it in the appropriate receptacle.......the bin!

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File it in the appropriate receptacle.......the bin!

 

No! Don't bin it. Frame all the letters and place in a prominent position around your home. That way you have something to smile about daily :lol:

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