Caught shoplifting from Primark - RLP letter

[silverfox1961]

just says as I have ignored the matter can be passed on to the police etc etc.

 

Hmm! Doesn't say 'will' does it. I think it's another bluff

 

I think the one liner tells them that you won't take their 'bovine excrement'. I would send it

[renegadeimp]

It can, but the police wont be interested in hearing from RLP. If the shop wanted to prosecute, THEY would have done it. IMHO theyre using the police as a threat to try and force you into paying.

[ScarletPimpernel]

You can just imagine it, can't you:

 

Operator: Hello, Loamshire Police, what's your emergency?

 

Jackie: I want to report a crime; someone stole some false eyelashes from Primark, and were caught by security.

 

Operator: OK, when did this happen?

 

Jackie: A few weeks ago.

 

Operator: so why didn't you report it at the time?

 

Jackie: Because I've been trying to get money from the perpetrators.

 

Operator: What, for Primark?

 

Jackie: No, silly, for me. But they won't pay, despite all my threats, and Primark don't take anyone to court because they know, after the last case I was involved with, that they'll lose.

 

Operator: So why should the police get involved now?

 

Jackie: Because I think I'm really important, and how dare these people not give me money when I demand it, and how dare they look at websites that keep showing how utterly inept and impotent I am. Look here, I once had an ACPO letterhead on my website - they might have forced me to take it down because it was misleading, but that doesn't mean I can't threaten people with the police. I did that with those awful CAG people, you know. I told people they were being investigated by the CID, and I spent loads of money on getting some solicitors to send some big-timing letters to them. Just because a judge decided my claims have a shaky legal basis is no reason for people not to send me money, even when the amounts are made up from my silly matrix, and I've sent them long letters about Magna Carta and everything, is no reason why the police shouldn't do what I say. If people would just realise how important I am, and did what I tell them, we'd all be better off. Well, I'd be better off, which is what this is all about. So, are you going to send the Sweeney round about these eyelashes, or shall I write a long letter to your Chief Constable in green ink?

 

Operator: Would you like me to give you the number of your local mental health service's crisis team?

[renegadeimp]

I've sent them long letters about Magna Carta

 

I remember that letter! It's things like that, that make you wonder how she gets on in the real world.

[Itsryanzc]

Since youve gone this far already, i would still ignore until something of actual substance turns up, and not one of their increasingly desperate begging letters. When they start to go into multiple pages, stating a lot of pseudo legal nonsense and try and say that CAG and other sites are under investigation by the police, then you know you are at the tail end of their threatograms.

 

 

Hey guys - Just a quick update (I plan to update until this is resolved, so other people can see the outcome)

 

I continued to ignore their letters, as did my friend - and they stopped coming for a while until I received this letter about 3 days ago.

 

It's too long to write so I thought I'd take a picture on my phone of both pages and you can have a read.

 

1) http://i.imgur.com/cR48sfY.jpg

2) http://i.imgur.com/rwidLLL.jpg

 

I know their letters are a load of ****, but if the last bit of "will be passed to a specialist company which recovers debts and undisputed claims for damages" Well, I don't really want that.

 

Any advice guys?

[renegadeimp]

She means she knows she cant get anything from you so she is threatening a DCA. Remember, there is no debt, so the DCA can be told in plain english where to go There certainly arent any damages to her company, so she's full of crap on that front.

 

Carry on ignoring. You are getting close to the end.

 

P.s. That letter is sadly one of her standard form letters where she tried to bully and scare you one last time before she gives up. It gets sent to everyone who doesnt pay.

Edited December 2, 2013 by renegadeimp

[Itsryanzc]

Would you not consider sending the one liner thing, or would that just set me back a few steps?

 

So I should expect a red inked letter from the DCA soon, right? I have never replied to RLP's letters - would I reply to the DCA letter?

 

Thanks renegadeimp - You've been a great help!

[renegadeimp]

Dont send ANYTHING. She knows that you have been given good advice, thats why she sent the letter. As you can see, she even mentions CAG, so we know she's running scared, as she knows that ANY legal claim can be very easily defended now you have found cag. It reeks of desperation from her.

 

They only letter you need to send is to the DCA, if and when they contact you. If that happens, come right back here and we can tell you what to say.

 

If you are still worried, read this thread from a third party point of view, you will soon understand what we are saying.

 

 

Edit: To RLP's 'Boss', Better luck with your next victim. You arent getting money from this one

[Sidewinder]

Laughable

 

Co-defendant? In what action precisely? and RLP are instructed to recover the amount claimed by their client? I doubt very much whether the client is actually party to anything after the event, and it is RLP who set the matrix for the amount to be claimed, not the store - that is WHY it cannot be a GENUINE pre-estimate of loss, as those losses would be variable and not a one-size fits all cost.

[Itsryanzc]

Dont send ANYTHING. She knows that you have been given good advice, thats why she sent the letter. As you can see, she even mentions CAG, so we know she's running scared, as she knows that ANY legal claim can be very easily defended now you have found cag. It reeks of desperation from her.

 

They only letter you need to send is to the DCA, if and when they contact you. If that happens, come right back here and we can tell you what to say.

 

If you are still worried, read this thread from a third party point of view, you will soon understand what we are saying.

 

Edit: To RLP's 'Boss', Better luck with your next victim. You arent getting money from this one

 

Ok! Will do.

 

Thanks for the reassurance - I'll come back when I receive the DCA letter.

 

P.s. I think my friend did reply with a letter to RLP, even after I told her not to. I'm not sure what it said - I think something about bringing the attention to RLP that the woman who taken us to the back room said the fine would be no more than £20 or something. I hope this doesn't change anything..

Edited December 2, 2013 by Itsryanzc

[renegadeimp]

Just ignore them. RLp are the shadiest company you can possibly meet. As youve seen, they will do and say ANYTHING to get money from you.

[Misery1]

Thanks for updating it, I am doing the same to mine for the same reasons! I am a few RLP 'stages' behind you so it's good to know what is coming.

 

Misery

[Itsryanzc]

Thanks for updating it, I am doing the same to mine for the same reasons! I am a few RLP 'stages' behind you so it's good to know what is coming.

 

Misery

 

Well, haven't received another letter since.... It's been almost a month and the letter did say something like "if you don't reply within 14 days..."

 

Hope everything goes ok for you Misery1! I will keep it updated.

[andydd]

I doubt whether you will hear anymore, thanks for posting the letters, it gives us a laugh and shows the depths of despertion RLP will sink to.

 

They must employ a lot of staff who spend all day viewing this site, one must ask, why ?, its certainly not the actions of a reputable or professional company, I can only conclude that they do it to try and give themselves an advantage by snooping on advice given out by this site, they always mention that our advice is not to be trusted and that profesional advice should be sought, firstly they do not know whether contributors here are qualified or not, secondly our advice is the same as has been given out by professional at CAB and qualified solicitors such as Hodson and Townsend who represented the defendants in the Oxford case, see here > http://www.farrarsbuilding.co.uk/members.php.

 

The mention of Acpo in the letter is misleading, note they use the term 'initially', that is because they do not presently agree with RLP's approach. There is also no legal binding to use the CPR process and RLP IMO mis-use it, it is to settle genuine claims before court action and as RLP appear to be very reluctant to puruse court action it is pointless.

 

I for one, would disagree that the 'internet is not a subsitute for relaible legal information, on the contary it has enabled LiP's access to legal information that previously would of been expensive for them to obtain, I myself have represented myself in a variety of civil court cases and have been very successfully even when up against solicitors and counsel.

 

Anyway, good luck, no doubt we will hear more of Jackie and co. in 2014, although hopefulyy their revenue stream is drying up

[rebel11]

I'd love to see the so called 'communication' evidence that RLP has with their clients, the fantasy world of RLP.

 

Hey guys - Just a quick update (I plan to update until this is resolved, so other people can see the outcome)

 

I continued to ignore their letters, as did my friend - and they stopped coming for a while until I received this letter about 3 days ago.

 

It's too long to write so I thought I'd take a picture on my phone of both pages and you can have a read.

 

1) http://i.imgur.com/cR48sfY.jpg

2) http://i.imgur.com/rwidLLL.jpg

 

I know their letters are a load of ****, but if the last bit of "will be passed to a specialist company which recovers debts and undisputed claims for damages" Well, I don't really want that.

 

Any advice guys?

[renegadeimp]

Wonder if a sar would work. After all the communication would be relevant as its about you and your 'case'

[Peterbard]

Wonder if a sar would work. After all the communication would be relevant as its about you and your 'case'

 

Who would too SAR go to as a matter of interest, would RLP be the data controller or just the handler ?

[Mr.P]

Wonder if a sar would work. After all the communication would be relevant as its about you and your 'case'

 

Save your money. No point in providing even £10 to line the pockets of this outfit. IF there is any relevant "communications", these would come to light IF it ever went to court - This would be highly unlikely to happen in any event.

[renegadeimp]

Save your money. No point in providing even £10 to line the pockets of this outfit. IF there is any relevant "communications", these would come to light IF it ever went to court - This would be highly unlikely to happen in any event.

 

It was rhetorical, but it would be VERY interesting to see what info RLP actually hold. Remember, they are obliged to provide ALL info that they hold related to you, They cant claim some of it is business sensitive as they dont actually own any legal status towards you or any alleged debt.

 

As for them releasing info IF it went to court. Nope. The owner of RLP would rather keep it secret and lose the case, knowing she would potentially win others. However, with the very public court case last year in oxford, she is very very reluctant to step foot anywhere near a court. However, she still tried to say the judge was wrong in his judgement and made up a hell of a lot of excuses.

[Peterbard]

Who would too SAR go to as a matter of interest, would RLP be the data controller or just the handler ?

 

I ask the question because I seem to remember this happening before, if memory serves me right they claimed to be a data handler rather than the controller and as such not confined by section 7, I cannot remember however how the situation was resolved.

[rebel11]

E.G. you could SAR Primark, when Primark comeback with 'zero' docs, it will tell you that RLP live in an 'Alice in Wonderland' world, making statements, like 'talked to their client' when they haven't leaves 'egg on face' again.

[Itsryanzc]

Hey - I got another letter. I think I spoke a little bit too soon!

 

Few questions first though.

 

1. What's a SAR - Would getting one of these benefit me?

 

Here is a picture of the new letter:

 

http://imgur.com/TjDVQbs

 

So basically in 21 days it's getting transferred to one of these "debt collectors" right?

[renegadeimp]

If they threaten a DCA

[Sparks_]

Hey - I got another letter. I think I spoke a little bit too soon!

 

Few questions first though.

 

1. What's a SAR - Would getting one of these benefit me?

 

Here is a picture of the new letter:

 

http://imgur.com/TjDVQbs

 

So basically in 21 days it's getting transferred to one of these "debt collectors" right?

 

File it in the appropriate receptacle.......the bin!

[silverfox1961]

File it in the appropriate receptacle.......the bin!

 

No! Don't bin it. Frame all the letters and place in a prominent position around your home. That way you have something to smile about daily