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    • Morning, I purchased a car from Big Motoring World on 10th December 2023 for £14899.00. On the 15th December I had a problem with the auto start stop function of the car in which the car would stop in the middle of the road with a stop start error message. I called the big assist and the car was booked in for February. The BMW was with them for a week and it came back with the auto stop start feature all fine and all error codes cleared on the report from big motoring world. within 5 days I had the same issue. Warning light coming on and the car stopping. I called big assist again and the car was again booked in for an other repair in May. Car was taken back in may, they had the car for a week and returned with the report saying no issue with the auto stop start feature and blamed my driving. Within 5 days of having the car back it broke down again. This time undrivable. I had the rac pick my car up and take to Stephen James BMW for a full diagnostic. The diagnostic came back with the car needing a new fuel system as magnetic swarf was found.  I have sent big motoring world a letter stating all the issues and that under the consumer rights act 2015 I have asked for a replacement vehicle. all reports from Stephen James BMW have been sent over to big motoring world. Big motoring world have come back and said they will respond to my complaint within 14 days for the date of my complaint letter. I am not feeling confident on the response from them, what are my next steps?   Thanks in advance. 
    • That is really good is that a mistake last off "driver doesn't have a licence" I assume that should be keeper? The Court requested me to send the Court and applicant proof of my sons disability from their GP this clearly shows he has Severe Mental Impairement, he is also illiterate.  I naively assumed once the applicant received this that they would drop the claim.  It offends me that Bank has asked the Judge to throw the case out at the preliminary hearing and to make us pay up.
    • Hi, we are looking to get some opinions on weather or not to bother fighting this PCN. This comes from a very big retail park parking where there are restaurants, hotel, amongst other businesses. The parking is free but I suppose there must be a time limit on it that I am not aware of. We were in the area for around 4 hours. Makes us wonder how they deal with people staying in the hotel as the ANPR is on what appears to be a publicly maintained street (where london buses run) which leads to the different parking areas including the hotel.  1 Date of the infringement 26/05/2024 2 Date on the NTK  31/05/2024 3 Date received 07/06/2024 4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?]  YES 5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Entry and exit photos however, based on the photographs we are almost sure the photos are taken on public street. This is the location I believe photos are taken from.  https://maps.app.goo.gl/eii8zSmFFhVZDRpbA 6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] No Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up N/A 7 Who is the parking company? UKPA. UK Parking Administration LTD 8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] The Colonnades, Croydon, CR0 4RQ For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. British Parking Association (BPA) Thanks in advance for any assistance.  UKPA PCN The Collonades-redacted.pdf
    • Thank you for posting their WS. If we start with the actual WS made by the director one would have doubts that they had even read PoFA let alone understood it. Point 10  we only have the word of the director that the contract has been extended. I should have had the corroboration of the Client. Point 12 The Judge HHJ Simkiss was not the usual Judge on motoring cases and his decisions on the necessity of contracts did not align with PoFA. In Schedule 4 [1[ it is quite clearly spelt out- “relevant contract” means a contract (including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land) between the driver and a person who is—(a)the owner or occupier of the land; or (b authorised, under or  by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land; And the laughable piece of paper from the land owners cannot be described as a contract. I respectfully ask that the case be dismissed as there is no contract. WE do not even know what the parking regulations are which is really basic. It is respectfully asked that without a valid contract the case cannot continue. One would imagine that were there a valid contract it would have been produced.  So the contract that Bank has with the motorist must come from the landowner. Bank on their own cannot impose their own contract. How could a director of a parking company sign a Statement of Truth which included Point 11. Point 14. There is no offer of a contract at the entrance to the car park. Doubtful if it is even an offer to treat. The entrance sign sign does not comply with the IPC Code of Conduct nor is there any indication that ANPR cameras are in force. A major fault and breach of GDPR. Despite the lack of being offered a contract at the entrance [and how anyone could see what was offered by way of a contract in the car park is impossible owing to none of the signs in the WS being at all legible] payment was made for the car to park. A young person in the car made the payment. But before they did that, they helped an elderly lady to make her payment as she was having difficulty. After arranging payment for the lady the young lad made his payment right behind. Unfortunately he entered the old lady's number again rather than paying .for the car he was in. This can be confirmed by looking at the Allow List print out on page 25. The defendant's car arrived at 12.49 and at 12.51 and 12.52  there are two payments for the same vrm. This was also remarked on by the IPC adjudicator when the PCN was appealed.  So it is quite disgraceful that Bank have continued to pursue the Defendant knowing that it was a question of  entering the wrong vrm.  Point 21 The Defendant is not obliged to name the driver, they are only invited to do so under S9[2][e]. Also it is unreasonable to assume that the keeper is the driver. The Courts do not do that for good reason. The keeper in this case does not have a driving licence. Point 22. The Defendant DID make a further appeal which though it was also turned down their reply was very telling and should have led to the charge being dropped were the company not greedy and willing to pursue the Defendant regardless of the evidence they had in their own hands. Point 23 [111] it's a bit rich asking the Defendant to act justly and at proportionate cost while acting completely unjustly themselves and then adding an unlawful 70% on to the invoice. This  is despite PoFA S4[5] (5)The maximum sum which may be recovered from the keeper by virtue of the right conferred by this paragraph is the amount specified in the notice to keeper under paragraph 9[2][d].  Point 23 [1v] the Director can deny all he wants but the PCN does not comply with PoFA. S9 [2][a] states  (2)The notice must— (a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates; The PCN only quotes the ANPR arrival and departure times which obviously includes a fair amount of driving between the two cameras. Plus the driver and passengers are a mixture of disabled and aged persons who require more time than just a young fit single driver to exit the car and later re enter. So the ANPR times cannot be the same as the required parking period as stipulated in the ACT. Moreover in S9[2][f]  (ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid; You will note that in the PCN the words in parentheses are not included but at the start of Section 9 the word "must" is included. As there are two faults in the PCN it follows that Bank cannot pursue the keeper . And as the driver does not have a driving licence their case must fail on that alone. And that is not even taking into consideration that the payment was made. Point 23 [v] your company is wrong a payment was made. very difficult to prove a cash payment two weeks later when the PCN arrives. However the evidence was in your print out for anyone to see had they actually done due diligence prior to writing to the DVLA. Indeed as the Defendant had paid there was no reasonable cause to have applied for the keeper details. Point 24 the Defendant did not breach the contract. The PCN claimed the Defendant failed to make a payment when they had made a payment.   I haven't finished yet but that is something to start with
    • You don't appeal to anyone. You haven't' received a demand from a statutory body like the council, the police or the courts. It's just a dodgy cowboy company trying it on. You simply don't pay.  In the vast majority of these cases the company deforest the Amazon with threats about how they are going to divert a drone from Ukraine and make it land on your home - but in the end they do nothing.
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Hi Billy's mate

 

Thanks for your support... My appeal was all set to go until we found out they had generated my POPLA code over a month ago without telling me!!! I'm sending it anyway with a letter outlining ANPR's skullduggery They may listen they may not

 

We shall see

 

I have an orginal thread with more info Pics and scans

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Appeal submiitted today with covering letter outlining the chain of events

 

I think i'll write to him (or her) anyway as ANPR are guilty of blatant ball tampering in this test match.. Maybe they were excpecting me to start swinging wildly at there fast fast blower .I wonder if N Martin has a large Moustache

 

I'll await The Bpa's intresting reply

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Yes of course. The more the merrier

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Operator issued parking charge notice number xxxxxx arising out

of the presence at Lodge Drive, Warrington, on 31 August 2013, of a

vehicle with registration mark xxxxxxxx

The Appellant appealed against liability for the parking charge.

The Assessor has considered the evidence of both parties and has

determined that the appeal be allowed.

The Assessor’s reasons are as set out.

The Operator should now cancel the parking charge notice forthwith.

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thanks to all you guys on here for the advice and the confidence to do it all, it was long and drawn out (5months) but worth it in the end

 

 

thanks ericsbrother, esmerobbo and bettyboo (who I hope isn't a guy) and anyone else who helped me

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Reasons for the Assessor’s Determination

On 31 August 2013, a parking charge notice was applied to a vehicle with

registration mark xxxxxxx for leaving site without entering the premises.

The Operator’s case is that the terms and conditions for parking in the car

park are clearly displayed on signage throughout the site. The signage says:

“Free parking Whilst In Premises.” The Operator has produced photographic

evidence which show that the Appellant’s vehicle was left unattended at the

site and the driver was not in the premises. They have also supplied a copy of

the terms and conditions and photographs of signage location.

The Appellant has made a number of submissions, however, I will only

elaborate on the one submission that I am allowing this appeal on, namely

that the parking charge amount is not a genuine pre-estimate of loss.

The Operator rejected the Appellant’s representations, as set out in the

correspondence they sent because they state that a breach of the car park

conditions had occurred by leaving site without entering the premises. They

say that the parking charge is issued for damages incurred whilst the driver

trespassed on land under their control.

In this present case, the Operator has not sought to justify the amount of

parking charge representing the loss suffered by the landowner. I have

carefully considered the Operator’s submissions and considering everything

before me, I do not find that the parking charge represents a genuine

pre-estimate of loss suffered.

Accordingly, this appeal must be allowed.

Aurela Qerimi

Assessor

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Definitely not a guy! Glad to hear of your success. Your letter from assessor much the same as mine. Doesn't it feel great!!:-D. Loads of people park there now and know it's safe. This site's the best. Let's hope they all go out of business. Take care and happy parking. The precedent has now been set.

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I note that the assessor didnt want to go further than considering the loss of the operator. This gives them an easier decision as the other matter of leaving the site is one already made by a higher court and so the parking co claiming it is part of the parking conditions would only end up getting into an argument that could end up in the high court and spoiling the game for all the PPC's

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Your response from POPLA was identical to mine for the same site. Mr Whitehouse has until monday to respond to my LBA and then I am persueing him for my costs. A lengthy detailed complaint has been sent to the BPA insisting on action if this is not done I will be informing DVLA of the BPAs lack of action. The landowner has shown no interest when various factions have tackled her. Lets see if its the same when she is tackled as principle when claims are made against ANPR Ltd.

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The DVLA have a lot to answer for, if they didn't give out details to these undesirable companies, we wouldn't have to fight them, we should all make a complaint to your local mp and relevant government body that covers DVLA to stop this action.

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