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    • Please see my witness statement below.  Please let me know what modifications I need to apply.  I haven't included anything related to "administrative charge while paying by credit or debit card" as I wasn't sure if I should include since sign says "it may apply"   Background  1.1 Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of November 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.    Contract  2.1 No Locus Standi, I do not believe a contract exists with the landowner that gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” From PoFA (Protection of Freedoms Act) 2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-  (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or  (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44  For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.    Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed  3.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.  3.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.  3.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.  3.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.    Unfair PCN  4.1         As stipulated in Exhibit 1 (Pages 7-13) sent by DCB Legal following the defendant’s CPR request the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows £60.00 parking charge notice and will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue. The defendant puts it to the claimant a request for strict proof when the signage changed to show £100.00 parking charge as the evidence provided by DCB Legal stipulated £60.00 parking charge was indeed the parking charge at the time defendant parked and included in Exhibit 1   4.3        The Claimant did not respect PAPLOC   4.4        It is also unfair to delay litigation for so long and claim nearly four years' interest.    No Keeper Liability  5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.  5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.    5.3        The claimant did not mention parking period instead only mentioned time 20:25 which is not sufficient to qualify as a parking period.   Protection of Freedoms Act 2012  The notice must -  (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;      No Breach of Contract  6.1      No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY.  6.2        The wording “Electric Bay Abuse” is not listed on their signs nor there is any mention on the contract of any electric charging points at all let alone who can park there or use them.    Double Recovery  7.1        As well as the original £100 parking charge and £50 allowed court/legal costs, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  7.2        PoFA Schedule 4, paragraph 4(5) states that “the maximum sum which may be recovered from the keeper is the amount specified in the notice to keeper”. Which in this case is £100.  7.3        The Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019 is also quite clear that the maximum amount recoverable is £100.  Government ministers and government web pages explaining the Act refer to extra charges as "a rip off".  7.4        Unless the Claimant can clearly demonstrate how these alleged additional costs have been incurred this would appear to be an attempt at double recovery.  7.5        Previous parking charge cases have found that the parking charge itself is at a level to include the costs of recovery i.e. Parking Eye Ltd vs Beavis (2015) UKSC 67 which is the authority for recovery of the parking charge itself and no more, since the sum £85 was held to already incorporate the costs of an automated private parking business model and the Supreme Court Judges held that a parking firm not in possession cannot plead any part of their case in damages. It is indisputable that an alleged “parking charge” penalty is a sum which the Supreme Court found is already inflated to more than comfortably cover all costs. The case provides a finding of fact by way of precedent, that the £85 (or up to a Trade Body ceiling of £100 depending on the parking firm) covers the costs of all the letters. Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court V Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practise continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (...) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6        In Claim numbers F0DP806M and F0DP201T, Britannia vs Crosby the courts went further in a landmark judgement in November 2019 which followed several parking charge claims being struck out in the area overseen by His Honour Judge Iain Hamilton-Douglas Hughes GC, the Designated Civil Judge for Dorset, Hampshire, Isle of Wight & Wiltshire. District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgement or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating “It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverable under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgement in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for a addi8onal sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998.  7.7        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.  7.8        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).  7.9        The Defendant is of the view that the Claimant knew, or should have known, that to claim in excess of £100 for a parking charge on private lands is disallowed under the CPRs, the Beavis case, the PoFA AND THE CRA 2015, and that relief from sanctions should be refused.    In Conclusion  8.1        I believe the Claimant has got use to intimidation tactics and has got greedy. I believe the truth of the manor is the Claimant has used bullying tactics successfully for too long and is therefore assured that innocent drivers will fall into the trap of paying rather than going through the hours it takes to defend themselves. In the process, wasting the time of the Court, the time of the Defendant and everyone else who has advised the Defendant, out of sheer decency to help have a fair hearing and see justice delivered.  8.2        I am still in disbelief that I am being heard in this court, defending myself nearly 4 years after receiving a charge through my door. I have had to spend weeks’ worth of my life studying the letter of the law in order to defend myself from this ridiculous attempt at a swindle.  8.3        I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. 
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I've got one at the moment. All done on insurance,and in 30 years of building work, this place rates in my top 5 of "Dirty Holes" It was filthy, mould every where,disgusting bath, toilet kitchen the lot.

Like your husband took them at face value. Told them as it went along "You could have this it would be a better option but will cost extra"

Then you get the "oh while you hear", "could you just". "I know we chose the colour of the paint but we want this now" You give them the extras bill.

"Were not paying"

The flat I did was valued at £170,000 before the work, £265000 after. The additions by customer £4500. That was October still no money!!!!

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Just asking in case you do decide to drop it, in which case he'll have the upper hand in knowing you don't want to go to court, then may issue proceedings against you for whatever it was he was counter claiming for, then if you don't defend, he'll automatically get a judgement.

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Just asking in case you do decide to drop it, in which case he'll have the upper hand in knowing you don't want to go to court, then may issue proceedings against you for whatever it was he was counter claiming for, then if you don't defend, he'll automatically get a judgement.

 

We have today with the counter claim received a load of paper work from a building surveyor he's employed to write up a report which by the sounds of it my husband us the biggest cowboy out there the counter claim is for the money it's cost to finish the work

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A counterclaim is a separate issue. Just because you drop your claim doesn't mean the counterclaim is dropped. You would still need to defend it and go to court to fight your corner.

 

What you could do is negotiate and see if you can both agree to drop your claims.

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Use our admin address.

 

Don't think about throwing in the towel yet.

I can see several angles on this which probably haven't occurred to your legal advisor - but we would need to see the papers first.

 

However, if you email documents to us you will need a scanner. You can get an excellent one from PCWorld for about £50

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Agree with Bankfodder, don't give up, it's probably hot air in the surveyors report, making trivial things sound worse than they really are, particularly as the job isn't finished, lots of things don't look up to standard during construction, and it would have to be dangerous, not up to building regs, or quite obviously really bad workmanship, for a court to rule against you in my opinion.

 

Strange how the customer didn't query the workmanship until you issued legal proceedings!

We had the same with a surveyors report, we went through it addressing every single 'defect' one by one, it really was ridiculous the things they were saying! Your husband, as mine did, being hands on builders know far more about the actual construction, than some suited surveyor who has never picked up a hammer in his life!

 

I think it's called 'drop hands' when both parties agree to not pursue any further.

 

 

Do whatever you can to get the documents scanned to CAG, that way you will get the help you need. In the meantime google construction disputes to gain a bit of knowledge.

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Just to clarify, I wasn't suggesting you give up dillon, but just clarifying that dropping your own claim would not stop the counterclaim going ahead. Of course the defendant isn't going to want to explain away why they haven't paid, but IMO if he's done work that has been agreed then he should be paid for it, so don't give up! By the way, I got a very good Canon wireless scanner/printer for £30 from PC World if you were thinking of investing.

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Sorry - but they are so small, they can't be read. You will have scan them and email them.

I sent you an email an hour ago inviting you to let me have your contact details

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the counter claim is for the money it's cost to finish the work

 

Your husband could not finish the work on the original estimate because of additional works carried out that he was unaware of when he started the job.

Your husband has spent your money (in good faith) on the additions..... Not been paid... and had to try to argue to get paid by stopping work.

Customer pulls in a surveyor and another contractor to "finish the job"

Not your problem, he still owes for the work your husband has done

 

There is an old saying in this game. "Machines run on diesel, man runs on food". It's about time he paid for some of it

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Just a quick question

 

if you make a claim against someone and they counter claim

 

then you decide to drop case because of cost of £325 to be paid to court and cant afford that

 

they say we can will the counter claimant automatically win his counter claim t

 

his as been tracked to a hearing at small claims court on the 2/4/2014

 

this is also causing so mush stress

 

so just want to put all behind us

 

have wrote to counterclaimant to ask if he is prepared to move on fro this

 

but have heard nothing

 

he doesn't have to pay the £325

 

so suppose he has nothing to lose

 

Many Thanks have had some great advice from here

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But you was aware of the charges when you issued the claim dillon...which you will recover should your claim achieve success.The defendant issuing a Part 20 counter claim does not seem to be a basis to back down ?

 

I assume its quite a considerable claim in view of the costs you refer to and yet still small claims?

 

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You don't appeal you make application using the N244 to set a side vary or stay an Order/ claim.

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need to fill you in a bit

 

we are on verge of going to court 3rd April

 

all paper work had to be in by 14th March which it was

 

at the same time my husband put in a form to be able to use a statement from an expert

it cost £80

 

today have received a n244 form saying upon considering the papers dated xxxxxx issued by the claimant Copy attached( they weren't )

And upon the court noting there is no evidence that the claimant has raised with the expert Mr xxxxxxx relied upon by the defendant

and written questions concerning any matters in the report of that.

 

Expert with which the claimant does not agree

 

It is ordered thar

 

The application of the claimant dated xxxxxxxxx is dismissed

 

Because this order has been made by the court Without considering representation from the parties

the parties have the right to apply to have the order set aside varied or stayed

 

We thought we had done everything right and would answer the experts report in court

not on a form sent to the court

 

Having a breakdown over this case thought small claims meant for the layman

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Dillon as we know nothing about the claim or counter-claim and its contents it is very difficult to advise...you are going to have to flesh the bones here a tad.

 

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Dillon as we know nothing about the claim or counter-claim and its contents it is very difficult to advise...you are going to have to flesh the bones here a tad.

 

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If you look in my other post customer won't pay is that any help all I was hoping for at the moment was a bit of advice on how to reply to this letter about setting aside state for varied épée now need to get a way of having. The witness statement used in the hearing

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Ah that's were the history is and why we advise never to start multiple threads on the same matter.

 

Threads merged and moved to the appropriate forum.

 

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