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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. 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In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Hi there

 

I have a question for a colleague of mine.

 

They were served court papers earlier this year for an amount of just shy £7,000. They had been paying in instalments to clear this debt and the company jumped the gun in issuing papers. Once contacted they agreed that as it was being paid they would settle the claim and not to worry just keep paying.

 

He heard nothing further until he missed a payment - he restarted the following payment (but is in effect still one payment behind) and now the company have again sent court papers for the full amount outstanding (now just shy of £4k)

 

My question is as the original claim was marked as settled can they reissue another claim? It's obviously for a different amount but is made up of things from the previous claim.

 

I have double checked and they are not enforcing any old order it's definitely a new claim and the old definitely marked as settled.

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I will move your thread to the Legal Issues forums, where those with more knowledge will see it :) Probably later on today as most of them have day jobs.

 

Can you let us know the date of issue of the claim form - you will find this at the top right hand corner of the claim form.

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and name names please

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thomas Higgins will be the Solicitor, who is the Claimant ?

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Ok, well there is a timeline that needs to be adhered to.

 

Issue date 12th June + 5 days for service = 17 June + 14 days to acknowledge = 1st July + 14 days to submit defence = 15 July.

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Ok, well there is a timeline that needs to be adhered to.

 

Issue date 12th June + 5 days for service = 17 June + 14 days to acknowledge = 1st July + 14 days to submit defence = 15 July.

 

can the defence be that this has already been "settled"? Just not sure how it works

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I am not quite sure what you mean by "settled".

 

Was the original claim discontinued ? Had a defence already been submitted to the court ?

 

If they are bringing a similar claim, then it is my understanding they cant do that. We really need more information.

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Hi andie_303,

 

There is actually no such thing as a claim being marked "settled". The claim can either be discontinued by the claimant, dismissed by the court, or it can be "stayed" which means put on hold.

 

Where the two sides reach agreement on repayment, it is common to enter into a "Tomlin Order" which basically approves a settlement agreed between the parties and provides that the claim has been put on hold ... however either party can bring the claim back to life if the settlement terms are not complied with.

 

Whether the company is entitled to bring a fresh for the full amount because he missed a single payment will depend on the terms of the settlement order. There will be a formal court document setting out what happened to the claim, we need to know what that document says to be able to advise further.

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This is my understanding of the situation.

 

A claim was issued at the beginning of the year, as there was an instalment plan in place then the claim was discontinued. I am not sure there is anything that deals with "settled" !

 

If your friend had not submitted a defence, then I would think that a new claim could be issued.

 

It is a proper claim that has been issued, is it ? With a court stamp ?

 

We really need to know - what is the debt for - who is the claimant. I am sure that Thomas Higgins is a Solicitor and would not be able to bring a claim in their own name.

 

If only one payment has been missed, then I am absolutely astonished that they have issued a claim. The more information you can provide the better we will be able to advise.

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I will leave you in the hands of steampowered who is far more knowledgeable than I am.

 

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Hi andie_303,

 

There is actually no such thing as a claim being marked "settled". The claim can either be discontinued by the claimant, dismissed by the court, or it can be "stayed" which means put on hold.

 

Where the two sides reach agreement on repayment, it is common to enter into a "Tomlin Order" which basically approves a settlement agreed between the parties and provides that the claim has been put on hold ... however either party can bring the claim back to life if the settlement terms are not complied with.

 

Whether the company is entitled to bring a fresh for the full amount because he missed a single payment will depend on the terms of the settlement order. There will be a formal court document setting out what happened to the claim, we need to know what that document says to be able to advise further.

 

Hi there,

 

thank you for your help sorry I was just using the terminology in a letter so I may be confused - they have written "we will discontinue which will settle the action" - this is where I have picked up the term settle.

 

There was no settlement order nor do I believe a defence was filed - I believe the discontinuance happened within the time period for the defence to be filed.

 

sorry if i'm not being much help but hopefully this clarifies things a little

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Having done some internet exploring it seems that as they discontinued before he filed a defence they are entitled to claim again - he is paying it off at quite a speedy rate (over 1K a month) but is worried about the CCJ - and they have indicated they will not discontinue a 2nd time.

 

If I'm correct in thinking (which probably isn't) if he acknowledges and makes a payment plan he would still have a CCJ?

 

What if he we to say he would defend and pay it off before a court date happens? Could he then ask the company to discontinue again?

 

It's not the paying of the debt he is disputing as he is paying it but doesn't obviously want a CCJ.

 

Thanks again all x

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Propose a Tomlin Order or submit a defence..Im sure the court would be unimpressed with the claimant for issuing a summons on one months missed payment. By the time trial comes to fruition he will have paid it at the rate you describe.

 

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Propose a Tomlin Order or submit a defence..Im sure the court would be unimpressed with the claimant for issuing a summons on one months missed payment. By the time trial comes to fruition he will have paid it at the rate you describe.

 

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Andy

 

thanks Andy, I've looked up a Tomlin Order and as he is paying that seems a good idea - can i just double check will a Tomlin Order avoid a CCJ as long as he sticks to the order?

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