suspended for 4 weeks

[princess1234]

thanks for your reply..when you say not to let my work see my thoughts and fears, thing is while emailing my boss, i did mention about my pay being on time into my bank or i will lose everythng ive worked for. was that silly of me?. i thought maybe they might have a little compassion towards me, and dont want to be at fault for my down fall..

[monkeychicken]

princess you are lucky - I was suspended for nearly three and a half years. They charged me with 36 separate offences ranging from hurting someones feelings by not looking at them three years before the suspension to calling someone a dinosaur.

 

I forced them to hold disciplinary hearing and was found to be not guilty on all 36 charges. eventually left with a tidy sum - enough to pay off the mortgage and more.

 

So my advice is to sit tight and wait for disciplinary- if they dont pay you, take them to ET.

[princess1234]

its coming upto 5 weeks now, going by my old work rota. suppose i havent really done things the way i should. but this is really the first time that i have been alone to tackle stuff. my dad used to do things for me, protecting me against alot. im guessing he had some insecurities about me, or he had his own and they rubbed off on me. my family didnt think that i could cope with what life threw at me, so they took the helm. now im incontrol of me, its damn well scarey. im learning things that i should have known many years ago, and its thanks to people i dont know and one or two that i do know. wish id known more before now, as i dont think id be in this situation now.

[princess1234]

monkeychicken, howd you force them to hold a disciplinary hearing?...did you get payed while you were suspended?..did you take your statements to the disciplinary?...

[transient]

monkeychicken, howd you force them to hold a disciplinary hearing?...did you get payed while you were suspended?..did you take your statements to the disciplinary?...

You cant force them, time will tell

[princess1234]

we are contracted out to do our job by a leading food company, and so is the firm that runs the place. my firms contract states that there must be a supervisor on site,as this is part of the contract that my firm agreed with the leading food company. if im not there and no one is standing in for me, then my firm are in breach of the agreed contract, and could receive a hefty fine, if some one is standing in during my absence, then he/she will receive my wage for doing so. as i am on full pay throught out my suspension, then my firm are paying twice as much for my job. in short----my firm financially are paying the price...its costing my firm more having me sitting here, than it is having me working.......id find away to cover up my suspension, especially if others are at fault for me sitting here and causing my firm unnecessary financial lossess.....

[transient]

we are contracted out to do our job by a leading food company, and so is the firm that runs the place. my firms contract states that there must be a supervisor on site,as this is part of the contract that my firm agreed with the leading food company. if im not there and no one is standing in for me, then my firm are in breach of the agreed contract, and could receive a hefty fine, if some one is standing in during my absence, then he/she will receive my wage for doing so. as i am on full pay throught out my suspension, then my firm are paying twice as much for my job. in short----my firm financially are paying the price...its costing my firm more having me sitting here, than it is having me working.......id find away to cover up my suspension, especially if others are at fault for me sitting here and causing my firm unnecessary financial lossess.....

Totally irrelevant if someone is covering you and they are paying them twice, that is not your worry

[fletch70]

Agreed. What this is costing the company is totally irrelevant. That is their problem not yours.

[princess1234]

i was brought up in a family who had several business on the go..i cant help worrying about a companies lossess...it has been drummned into my head...maybe im a business women deep down and should go into my own business, be my own boss.....or go for management positions. just need that wee bit extra knowledge...or someone to train me...cant be that difficult..

i know were i am today, and what to do if i dont get full pay, like i was told i was getting, while being on suspension...

[monkeychicken]

monkeychicken, howd you force them to hold a disciplinary hearing?...did you get payed while you were suspended?..did you take your statements to the disciplinary?...

 

The way I "forced" them is submitted an ET1 for race discrimination stating that they have not suspended anyone for such a long time without holding a disciplinary and the suspension therefore, far from being a neutral act waas an act of discrimination. I invited the ET to hear the disciplinary themselves.

 

Two days before the hearing, they set a date for the disciplinary and I therefore stayed that particular ET1.

[princess1234]

thanks for that monkeychicken, i knew there was something i could do if i needed to.. cheers for that..

[cynic09]

A different perspective on suspension is, would you really like an investigation to take a couple of weeks, miss out half the evidence in your favour because it was rushed, and lose your job at the end of it?

Its never wise to read too much into paid suspensions, employers don't like the cost and tend to err on the short side more frequently than on the long.

If you are guilty of nothing then enjoy the bonus holiday!.

[fletch70]

Indeed,why at this point chase them. Remember in all likelihood the company will be there when you are dead and buried. You owe them nothing.

[transient]

thanks for that monkeychicken, i knew there was something i could do if i needed to.. cheers for that..

 

What? Through in a racial element?

[princess1234]

id rather an investigation was done thourghly and all loose ends were tied up. the person who caused all my traumas has since been sacked, got that from a good source. but that happened last year before christmas. so im quite happy about that, and the other one who was his bossom buddy has since left the company, he was lazy anyway. i take my job with a certain amount of seriousness and try my best to be professional, but its hard working with colleagues that have known you for years...well, they do not actually know me, they know about me, which is entirley different..im a VICTIM of thier viscious nasty vile sordid gossip, which i just cant take. every man should respect and acknowledge a women's prescence, and should behave in an appropriate manner. whether she is a prostitute, of different religion or any other factor.

[princess1234]

no not through a racial element, monkeychicken. im suspended on full pay, if i dont receive it then its an ET1, or what ever form i need thats appropriate to raise my ET..i went onto the website and found the ET1 and the list of directory that gives you the reasons for an ET...i found the form i was looking for...thing is i dont want to go down that road with my employer just yet, as i am giving them the chance to prove to me that they are not what everyone says about them, i give people chances. its my patience that counts just now, as my father always said, sit tight and wait...i am doing a self help therapy course just now, to keep me stable, and alert...

[fletch70]

The way I "forced" them is submitted an ET1 for race discrimination stating that they have not suspended anyone for such a long time without holding a disciplinary and the suspension therefore, far from being a neutral act waas an act of discrimination. I invited the ET to hear the disciplinary themselves.

 

Two days before the hearing, they set a date for the disciplinary and I therefore stayed that particular ET1.

 

That sounds to me like abuse of process unless their was genuine reason to believe that there was discrimination. We need laws to protect minorities after all i am one but if we abuse the system we deserve what we get. It's called karma

[cynic09]

Occurs to me that when we legislate in favour of minorities alone. That too is descrimination

[Emmzzi]

Sure. But discrimination has a general language sense, and a legal sense. I discriminate against rude people when I am employing staff. Isn't illegal.

 

Women aren't a minority.

 

We legislate in favour of marginalised groups, because if you aren't marginalised you don't need as much protection.

 

Being a healthy straight white male in the UK is like playing all your video games on "easy" mode, as they say.

[monkeychicken]

id rather an investigation was done thourghly and all loose ends were tied up. the person who caused all my traumas has since been sacked, got that from a good source. but that happened last year before christmas. so im quite happy about that, and the other one who was his bossom buddy has since left the company, he was lazy anyway. i take my job with a certain amount of seriousness and try my best to be professional, but its hard working with colleagues that have known you for years...well, they do not actually know me, they know about me, which is entirley different..im a VICTIM of thier viscious nasty vile sordid gossip, which i just cant take. every man should respect and acknowledge a women's prescence, and should behave in an appropriate manner. whether she is a prostitute, of different religion or any other factor.

 

You statement above suggests there might be sexual discrimination here.

 

But remember my I had been suspended for three and a half yeats before I took an ET1 against my employer, not just a matter of weeks.

 

The advice from other is good - proper investigations normally would take several months. In my role as a manager, I had cause to suspend employees several times (on child protection issues) and I always tried my very best to have the issues investigated as quickly as possible, but I never managed to deal with any case in less than 4 weeks. I could never arrange all the relevant meetings with witnesses etc., have their statements typed up and signed within that period. People have lots of other things in their lives and rarely will they see their interview by the company on a matter they are not directly affected as being a priority, so even if managers want to sort the investigations out, they cant do it in such a short period.

 

So be patient and try to be less passionate and more analytical. I know from experience that its hard, but if you want to succeed, you must.

[monkeychicken]

That sounds to me like abuse of process unless their was genuine reason to believe that there was discrimination. We need laws to protect minorities after all i am one but if we abuse the system we deserve what we get. It's called karma

@fletch70 dont be too quick to make judgements. You dont know the facts, so lets have less of these comments which probably have tinges of prejudice (I am sick of people thinking that we play the race card at the drop of a hat)

 

I worked for a Local Authority (over 10,000 employees).

 

At the time of my suspension, they had 28 other staff suspended and throughout the nearly four years I was suspended, there was an average of arounf thirty staff suspended. All others were white except two. Every single investigation was completed within three months, except mine. For me they did not even tell me what I had been suspended for until three years into the suspension, citing PIDA as the reason. The other two non-white staff were also suspended by the same person who suspended me and both of them simply left for other jobs during their suspension.

 

I later found out that at the time of suspension, there was no PIDA complaint (or any complaint at all). The complaint was procured by a particular individual about three weeks after I was suspended, the person complaining was an agency worker.

 

I put in a total of four ET1's. In one of them, I named this agency worker as a respondent (found his company address through Google, as by then he had left). The agency guy was annoyed and hand wrote his ET3 and explained what happened - i.e. he was called into the office of the HR head after I had been suspended and was asked to put in his complaint about me.

 

This agency guy did not realise that his was the only complaint about me - he assumed that I had been suspended because of another complaint.

 

The HR head falsified the date of receipt of the compliant by hand but did not put it through the system (which cant be falsified).

 

The complaint itself was issues like I called him a dinsaur once and I made someone feel "uncomfortable" three years previously - nothing that comes under PIDA.

 

They then pored through my emails and tried to blame me for getting spam about online viagra pills and nigerian cash transfers into my bank account.

 

 

I also found out that all investigations were complete within five months of my suspension but they did not act on anything until years later.

 

 

I also found out key emails were deleted by the HR head, who also had been intercepting my emails for years previously.

 

I also found out that about two ywars previous to my suspension, they carried out investigations into another matter using external solicitors and that report stated clearly that I had been racially discriminated against by three senior staff members from HR. They tried to suppress this report which came to light because of someone mentioning it during investigations into the complaint against me. firstly they said it was not relevant, but I asked for a disclosure order anyway. Then they said the investigating solicitor was on sick leave until I came accross her at a semianr I attended (in my personal capacity). On the eve of the disclosure hearing, the document was couriered to me (with sections missing) - I eventually got the full document and saw that the solicitor had recommended disciplinary action against those three HR staff but the council did not do anything.

 

I still have that report scanned on a memory stick and who know if I lost it where it might end up!

 

What I have outlined is merely the tip of the iceberg and theres much much more. It implicated, the Asst Director of Personnel, an Executive Director, the Departmental Head of HR, those three senior HR staff, the Head of Audit, a Council solicitor, an idependent solicitor and four or five others. It started with an attempted fit up and the rest colluded to delay and cover up the issues. In doing so, they lied and falsified documents, including faking notes of a meeting that could not have taken place. Most of those people have been "made redundant" and the department abolished and merged into a bigger department. Unfortunately, the Asst Director and the Head of HR are still there.

 

I eventually signed a COT3 agreement for a six figure sum and a decent reference and am laughing now.

 

 

So stick that in your pipe before you accuse anyone of playing the race card and quote karma nonsense.

Edited January 8, 2013 by monkeychicken

[monkeychicken]

Sure. But discrimination has a general language sense, and a legal sense. I discriminate against rude people when I am employing staff. Isn't illegal.

 

Women aren't a minority.

 

We legislate in favour of marginalised groups, because if you aren't marginalised you don't need as much protection.

 

Being a healthy straight white male in the UK is like playing all your video games on "easy" mode, as they say.

 

But sex discrimination does exist

[Emmzzi]

um yes, because women are a marginalised group. not because they are a minority. I think we are agreeing with each other?

[monkeychicken]

Occurs to me that when we legislate in favour of minorities alone. That too is descrimination

 

@cynic09

 

I am very discriminating -I only eat at certain restaurants.

 

Your view is far too simplistic.

 

Lack of Discrimination is not simply about treating everyone exactly equally. Its more about relative power.

 

If you had a restaurant which had a policy of treating everyone absolutely equally, but someone in a wheelchair could not get in, would you say that is non-discriminatory?

If you then replaced the stairs with a ramp, would that then be dicriminatory to those not in a wheelchair?

 

If you had a job vacancy (say school crossing partrol) which does not require great language skills but only advertised in english newspapers, but in your area there are areas of ethnic minorities, would it be discriminatory to post notices in different language in community centres/ shops frequented by ethnic minorities?

 

Public Schools in this country have boarders who pay tens of thousands of pounds for the privilage of being taught by top teachers and give pupils a chance to focus only on studies (I know I went to one). Comprehensive pupils have to put up with less facilities, more pupil numbers in a class and less qualified teachers, with some key subjects not having any teachers qualified in those subjects (my daughters maths teachers only got a C in maths at A levels). So, if someone from a comprehensive gets a B, they actually have overcome more problems than someone who went to a Public School, (they might actually be more capable).

 

If Oxford and Cambridge treated all pupils exactly the same and took the pupil from Public School only, would that be fair?

 

I know many ethnic minorities who have had to overcome mountainous problems and discrimination who achieve on paper similar qualifications to a white person - is the achievement of the ethnic minority worth more? Is the that person not more capable?

 

 

Positive action is not discrimination, its simply trying to even the playing field.

[monkeychicken]

um yes, because women are a marginalised group. not because they are a minority. I think we are agreeing with each other?

 

yes -I was just being pedantic