Had medical but now been sent a IBM270(more info)letter????

[Riggsby]

Had the atos medical around a mth ago,not heard nowt,then i received a letter(IBM270 More information) from dwp saying that they have looked at all the info given to them.... there was a tick by the medical questionaire,a tick by the medical assessment but no tick by the doctor's certificate??

It goes onto say that based on this info u may not be entitled?..then...

Before we decide if u are entitled or not,let us know if theres anything else about your illness/condition that u want to tell us about!

For e+ample,tell us..

if u think we have not taken into account something that you have told us about your illness,or

anything about your illness that you have not told us about already.

If you do not have anything more to tell us

Please let us know straight away lol

If u have something to tell us

Write to us

 

At the bottom it says...

We must get the information within 17days of the letter?

It dont make much sense to me as they had loads of info in the esa50 and were told same in medical!

Why dont they get all the info themselves as the history notes would spell it out clearly instead of relying on 3rd party info?...im baffled,what are they hanging the decision on?..your help would be great as 17days is now 15 days lol ty riggs.

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[Learnerlitigator]

At a guess you are probably short of entitlement by a point or two and you have an opportunity to review. Ask them for a copy and check the report against the pertinent benefit. Make google your friend.

[gregbythesea]

Had the atos medical around a mth ago,not heard nowt,then i received a letter(IBM270 More information) from dwp saying that they have looked at all the info given to them.... there was a tick by the medical questionaire,a tick by the medical assessment but no tick by the doctor's certificate??

It goes onto say that based on this info u may not be entitled?..then...

Before we decide if u are entitled or not,let us know if theres anything else about your illness/condition that u want to tell us about!

For e+ample,tell us..

if u think we have not taken into account something that you have told us about your illness,or

anything about your illness that you have not told us about already.

If you do not have anything more to tell us

Please let us know straight away lol

If u have something to tell us

Write to us

 

At the bottom it says...

We must get the information within 17days of the letter?

It dont make much sense to me as they had loads of info in the esa50 and were told same in medical!

Why dont they get all the info themselves as the history notes would spell it out clearly instead of relying on 3rd party info?...im baffled,what are they hanging the decision on?..your help would be great as 17days is now 15 days lol ty riggs.

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What on earth is that letter on about.

 

"if u think we have not taken into account something that you have told us about your illness"

 

How would you know? If they say that they have used all of the information that you have sent them then they must have used it???

 

Maybe they forgot to use some of what you have already told them but are expecting you to be a clairvoyant and know which bits that they had forgotten to use.

 

It just couldn't be made up.

[gregbythesea]

At a guess you are probably short of entitlement by a point or two and you have an opportunity to review. Ask them for a copy and check the report against the pertinent benefit. Make google your friend.

 

But how are you to know what points you were given and for which descriptor. It's like trying to do it blindfolded.

 

There is no point in asking for the ESA85 as that takes weeks to come through if ever!

 

The letter is on par with some of the worst that I have ever seen. It tells you absolutely nothing so there is no way you can rectify anything.

 

And all of that is based on the assumption that you have a copy of the ESA50 that you submitted. Like many others, I don't keep such copies.

[Riggsby]

Yeah it dont make any sense to me at all!

I will upload the letter for u to get a better understanding brb.

[Riggsby]

.....the letter!...hold on it looks small?..how i make it bigger?

[RaeUK]

Well, if there's no tick for GP (un)fit note then that's a good place to start. Review all the info you sent and think what could be added. More supporting letters? How about your GP or any other medical professional you may have involved with your care? Look on the bright side, you've been given the opportunity to expand on your need for ESA ...

[Riggsby]

Ive not had to hand in any unfit notes for past 5years!..It says on the letter they havnt looked at the infomation on my doctors certificate as its unchecked??...why is that?..They must of contacted my dr surely as thats common sense??..Would CAB or any of u folks know the meaning of it?..i cant be the 1st person to get this after a medical ty all.

[RaeUK]

Ok, my apologies Riggsby. I thought this was to do with ESA, you need to send in (un)fit notes to qualify for the ESA assessment rate as you won't receive any money without doing so. If you're moving from IB to ESA maybe this is why they sent you the letter, as a gentle reminder? ...

 

EDIT: er, no. The good folk processing ESA rarely if ever contact the GP. The whole point of the system is to try and sideline GP's from the loop. Common sense? You've not come across ESA before have you? ...

[rainbo]

My ex-husband received one of these letters, so he re-sent all the letters that he originally provided at the "medical" and he passed. So I suggest you do exactly the same - anything you've already suppplied, re-send a copy to them. If you haven't already supplied any supporting evidence, this is your chance to do so.

[gregbythesea]

Ive not had to hand in any unfit notes for past 5years!..It says on the letter they havnt looked at the infomation on my doctors certificate as its unchecked??...why is that?..They must of contacted my dr surely as thats common sense??..Would CAB or any of u folks know the meaning of it?..i cant be the 1st person to get this after a medical ty all.

 

No that is your job! If you want a benefit it is up to you to get the evidence to prove that you are entitled to the money.

[antone]

No that is your job! If you want a benefit it is up to you to get the evidence to prove that you are entitled to the money.

 

This is true, but I'd ask you to consider your phrasing more carefully, in the interests of maintaining civil discussion here. Yes, it is not the responsibility of the the DWP to chase up medical reports, and indeed, most doctors wouldn't talk to them even if they did make the attempt. Still, the OP has been receiving benefit on one set of terms for five years - it's not unnatural to be a little confused when these terms are unilaterally changed.

 

I think rainbo has it. My guess would be that the DMs are considering overriding an adverse ATOS WCA result and finding in favour of the claimant. They probably don't have, at this point, all the evidence they would need to do so, since ATOS doesn't always send much more than the ESA85 report and a covering letter. So I'd say do what rainbo suggests, and send whatever you can. If they wanted to deny your claim, they'd have done it already.

[Riggsby]

Ty all for good advice i will be sending them all the letters i can,...just one thing to mention is that i had to renew my low rate DLA aswell and was awarded the same rate as b4 from the 23/08/2012 for ne+t 2 years!

 

Would atos/dwp know about this? or should i send my DLA award notice to em?...if so does it have to be the original or a photocopy?

Also does the fact that u have been awarded DLA have any bearing on the ESA outcome or not?ty riggs.

[antone]

You could draw the ESA section's attention to your DLA award, but no need to send an award notice as they can easily check on the computer system. DLA, however, does not directly affect the ESA outcome.

[Nystagmite]

Never send the original of any document.

[Riggsby]

Cheers ant,Nyst.... ty for your help!.

[worried33]

I agree they probably looking to overide a failed ATOS assessment that did give points but not enough to pass.

 

I would at the very least send any evidence that was provided to ATOS as ATOS may not have passed that on.

[antone]

I agree they probably looking to overide a failed ATOS assessment that did give points but not enough to pass.

 

I would at the very least send any evidence that was provided to ATOS as ATOS may not have passed that on.

 

Yes. There are cases where DMs will look to pass a person who got, say, 12 points at the medical. Their logic is simply that if it goes to appeal, the claimant is likely to win, so why bother with the hassle?

[worried33]

my comment was based on that DWP report posted here a few weeks back, in that report DMs said anything above 0 points was rare enough in that they considered if ATOS awarded 'any' points the condition was probably severe and so they looked into those cases more.

[Riggsby]

I didnt send any letters in with the esa50 or when i went the medical!

I told them who to contact in the esa50 in the "who can we contact section" and Dr address section!..which is why i thought they would get the info required or why else ask for it on the form?

The only person who knows my condition has left there job a few years back when the building closed and i havnt seen anyone else since that!..my doc just knows whats written in the history notes and as i avoid telling people that a suffer with pathological an+iety etc ,most dont know whats what!

When i was awarded DLA 5 years back it went to tribunal and they sent an atos dr to my house,and my occupational therapist was there to.

He concluded in his report that from his observations.. that i have a markedly pathological an+iety disorder which is made worse by stress!(significant disability likely)in bold letters.

Not long after i was awarded the OP left and i moved house!

4years went by and i havnt seen anyone else since because i shut myself away and dont bother telling people whats happening!

Not sure whats the best thing do if they want recent diagnosis?

Its rather pathetic that we have to do all the contacting and finding out! even tho its a simple phone call for them to do!..I dont even answer my mail or go to appointments recently and the dwp want me to be an admin/secretary guru and have all the letters neatly in place without a hitch?

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[antone]

my comment was based on that DWP report posted here a few weeks back, in that report DMs said anything above 0 points was rare enough in that they considered if ATOS awarded 'any' points the condition was probably severe and so they looked into those cases more.

 

I missed that post, but this makes sense.

[antone]

Not sure whats the best thing do if they want recent diagnosis?

Its rather pathetic that we have to do all the contacting and finding out! even tho its a simple phone call for them to do!..I dont even answer my mail or go to appointments recently and the dwp want me to be an admin/secretary guru and have all the letters neatly in place without a hitch?

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Information you provide should relate to your condition as it was on the date of your ATOS medical.

 

Harsh as it may sound, the DWP simply does not have the resources to chase up medical information for everyone who claims. Also, it isn't really their job - if you claim benefit, the onus is on you to prove your entitlement. There may be support available from other sources, though: the CAB for one, and some local authorities provide a welfare rights service free of charge. Plus, of course, you can ask here and we'll help as best we can.

 

And, as we've said, it looks like the DWP DMs are trying to find in your favour here, and wish to look at more than simply the ATOS report. So I would gather what evidence you can and send it to them.

[Like-Im-Being-Ripped-Off]

Ty all for good advice i will be sending them all the letters i can,...just one thing to mention is that i had to renew my low rate DLA aswell and was awarded the same rate as b4 from the 23/08/2012 for ne+t 2 years!

 

Would atos/dwp know about this? or should i send my DLA award notice to em?...if so does it have to be the original or a photocopy?

Also does the fact that u have been awarded DLA have any bearing on the ESA outcome or not?ty riggs.

 

 

Just a point to mention related to ESA & DLA.

 

Well people just to verify they do use ESA for DLA see ny proof of my award......

 

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You can see that as clear as day on my DLA form

[gregbythesea]

I didnt send any letters in with the esa50 or when i went the medical!

I told them who to contact in the esa50 in the "who can we contact section" and Dr address section!..which is why i thought they would get the info required or why else ask for it on the form?

The only person who knows my condition has left there job a few years back when the building closed and i havnt seen anyone else since that!..my doc just knows whats written in the history notes and as i avoid telling people that a suffer with pathological an+iety etc ,most dont know whats what!

When i was awarded DLA 5 years back it went to tribunal and they sent an atos dr to my house,and my occupational therapist was there to.

He concluded in his report that from his observations.. that i have a markedly pathological an+iety disorder which is made worse by stress!(significant disability likely)in bold letters.

Not long after i was awarded the OP left and i moved house!

4years went by and i havnt seen anyone else since because i shut myself away and dont bother telling people whats happening!

Not sure whats the best thing do if they want recent diagnosis?

Its rather pathetic that we have to do all the contacting and finding out! even tho its a simple phone call for them to do!..I dont even answer my mail or go to appointments recently and the dwp want me to be an admin/secretary guru and have all the letters neatly in place without a hitch?

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Unfortunately yes you are expected to maintain an up to date file of your condition, who you see, and what is reported.

 

I know many that don't bother with their GP as there is little that can be done for them and I know that the Tribunal, should there be an appeal, don't look favourably at those that say that they have problems yet don't seek help - they see it as an admission that the problems aren't as serious as they are making out.

 

Someone told me that the best way to secure any sickness or disability award is to make sure the GP is kept upto date on a regular basis on how you are coping.

 

Otherwise a GP report for the DWP will read - Care - able to self care - Mobility - can get into the surgery occasionally.

 

Those that 'play the system' know all of this and make a nuisance of themselves with the GP by having regular meetings. They are even known to keep on asking for drugs on repeat but never taking them.

 

They build up a picture in the head of the GP as well as for the DWP. They probably will get an award over the poster because they know how to play it.

[gregbythesea]

Just a point to mention related to ESA & DLA.

 

Well people just to verify they do use ESA for DLA see ny proof of my award......

 

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You can see that as clear as day on my DLA form

 

I'm so glad you mentioned that. Yes they will use any other evidence for a different benefit.

 

It is not unknown for the DWP to question a DLA award and eventually take it away from someone on the strength of a failed ESA assessment, even if the claimant manages to get it overturned at appeal.

 

My 3 year Support Group review will be coming up anythime now. I also get HRM & MRC. I am seriously considering giving up my ESA claim for that very reason. I don't want a DLA review.