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    • What do you guys think the chances are for her?   She followed the law, they didnt, then they engage in deception, would the judge take kindly to being lied to by these clowns? If we have a case then we should proceed and not allow these blatant dishonest cheaters to succeed 
    • I have looked at the car park and it is quite clearly marked that it is  pay to park  and advising that there are cameras installed so kind of difficult to dispute that. On the other hand it doesn't appear to state at the entrance what the charge is for breaching their rules. However they do have a load of writing in the two notices under the entrance sign which it would help if you could photograph legible copies of them. Also legible photos of the signs inside the car park as well as legible photos of the payment signs. I say legible because the wording of their signs is very important as to whether they have formed a contract with motorists. For example the entrance sign itself doe not offer a contract because it states the T&Cs are inside the car park. But the the two signs below may change that situation which is why we would like to see them. I have looked at their Notice to Keeper which is pretty close to what it should say apart from one item. Under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 Section 9 [2]a] the PCN should specify the period of parking. It doesn't. It does show the ANPR times but that includes driving from the entrance to the parking spot and then from the parking place to the exit. I know that this is a small car park but the Act is quite clear that the parking period must be specified. That failure means that the keeper is no longer responsible for the charge, only the driver is now liable to pay. Should this ever go to Court , Judges do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person so ECP will have their work cut out deciding who was driving. As long as they do not know, it will be difficult for them to win in Court which is one reason why we advise not to appeal since the appeal can lead to them finding out at times that the driver  and the keeper were the same person. You will get loads of threats from ECP and their sixth rate debt collectors and solicitors. They will also keep quoting ever higher amounts owed. Do not worry, the maximum. they can charge is the amount on the sign. Anything over that is unlawful. You can safely ignore the drivel from the Drips but come back to us should you receive a Letter of Claim. That will be the Snotty letter time.
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    • he Fraser group own Robin park in Wigan. The CEO's email  is  [email protected]
    • Yes, it was, but in practice we've found time after time that judges will not rule against PPCs solely on the lack of PP.  They should - but they don't.  We include illegal signage in WSs, but more as a tactic to show the PPC up as spvis rather than in the hope that the judge will act on that one point alone. But sue them for what?  They haven't really done much apart from sending you stupid letters. Breach of GDPR?  It could be argued they knew you had Supremacy of Contact but it's a a long shot. Trespass to your vehicle?  I know someone on the Parking Prankster blog did that but it's one case out of thousands. Surely best to defy them and put the onus on them to sue you.  Make them carry the risk.  And if they finally do - smash them. If you want, I suppose you could have a laugh at the MA's expense.  Tell them about the criminality they have endorsed and give them 24 hours to have your tickets cancelled and have the signs removed - otherwise you will contact the council to start enforcement for breach of planning permission.
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I have several creditors with whom I have come to an arrangement due to my circumstances. My only income is in the form of "Inalienable Benefits", and all have agreed to accept £1.00 per calendar month which I pay by standing order. However, one is giving me a problem. For the last three months they have written to me claiming that I have failed to comply with the agreement, and that they now demand payment in full immediately. I have responded explaining the position and enclosing a copy of their letter which states they have accepted my offer. They have not replied to any of my correspondence and continue to send these threatening letters monthly.

 

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Debt originates from circa 2005, was dealt with under a Debt Management Program for a number of years, then I discovered the "Inalienable Benefits" rule and I took over early this year. Cabot have confirmed that they are receiving payments as these show on their statements.

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No they have not backed off, received another letter today. Second one this month. I have responded once again pointing out that we have an agreement, and that I have complied with it and can prove that. I have accused them of harassment and told them that if it continues, I will take the appropriate steps. Trouble is, I don't know what those steps are, and that's why I now ask for advice.

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Hi Wheels

 

Have a read of page 20 onwards, but it might be an idea to read the whole thing, the OFT Guidelines on Debt Collection:- http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/OFT664Rev.pdf

 

Lodge a complaint with the OFT and Trading Standards. Generally their 'threats' come to nothing.

 

There is nothing to stop your writing to the CEO, explaining you agreement, your 'unfair' treatment and circumstances.

 

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No they have not backed off, received another letter today. Second one this month. I have responded once again pointing out that we have an agreement, and that I have complied with it and can prove that. This is the problem, your responding to their letters when in fact, you should ignore them, you have set up a repayment plan with them, and if they can't work that out then let them waste their time and money sending meaningless letters to you.

 

I have accused them of harassment and told them that if it continues, I will take the appropriate steps. Trouble is, I don't know what those steps are, and that's why I now ask for advice.

 

The appropriate steps, would be to take legal action against them, applying for an injunction, however, once you realise that the purpose of these threats of 'imminent legal action' and 'official warnings' are psychological rather than actual, then these letters cease to have any effect or credibility.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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Hi Bazooka Boo, I agree entirely with your statement that these threats are psychological rather than actual. However I was always taught that the worst thing to do about anything was nothing. So I always respond. I gets tiresome sometimes as I keep writing the same things over and over again. Have long since stopped feeling threatened or intimidated, and learned that in most cases these people tell lies about what they can or cannot do.

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They themselves are lonely, hence why they farm out thousands of letter to people with the same name all over the country, as soon as one replies, they then bombard them with irrelavent comic strip garbage in the hope they can con some money out of them.

 

I agree to do nothing is not the normal response, but then, these lot are not in any way normal, just like a child throwing a tantrum to get attention, once you begin to ignore them and they begin to realise they can't yank your chain, they go quiet and move on to the next person.

 

DCA's can be, and always should be ignored, they have zero legal rights, knowledge or training, they are simply something to play with.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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