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    • thread tidied. new thread for the court claim is here  
    • new thread created for this claimform please post here now for anything to do with it now . pop up on the bulk court website detailed on the claimform. [if it is not working return after the w/end or the next day if week time] . When you select ‘Register’, you will be taken to a screen titled ‘Sign in using Government Gateway’. Choose ‘Create sign in details’ to register for the first time. You will be asked to provide your name, email address, set a password and a memorable recovery word. You will be emailed your Government Gateway 12-digit User ID. You should make a note of your memorable word, or password as these are not included in the email.  then log in to the bulk court Website .  select respond to a claim and select the start AOS box. .  then using the details required from the claimform . defend all leave jurisdiction unticked  you DO NOT file a defence at this time [BUT you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 ] click thru to the end confirm and exit the website .. get a CCA Request running to the claimant . https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/332502-cca-request-consumer-credit-act-1974-updated-january-2015/ .. Leave the £1 PO unsigned and uncrossed . get a CPR  31:14  request running to the solicitors [if one is not listed send to the claimant] ... https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/332546-legal-cpr-3114-request-request-for-information-when-a-claim-has-been-issued/ . .use our other CPR letter if the claim is for an OD or Telecom Debt or Util debt]  https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/332546-legal-cpr-3114-request-request-for-information-when-a-claim-has-been-issued/ on BOTH type your name ONLY Do Not sign anything .do not ever use or give an email . you DO NOT await the return of ANY paperwork  you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 from the date on the claimform [1 in the count] ..............  
    • Which Court have you received the claim from ? Northampton  Name of the Claimant ? lowell Solicitors : Overdales solicitors  How many defendant's  joint or self ? Self Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to.  13 may 2024 What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim? 1. the claim is for the sum of £6163.61due by the defendant under an agreement regulated by the consumer credit act 1974 for hsbc uk bank plc. Account (16 digits) 2. The defendant failed to maintain contractual payments required by the agreement and a default notice was served under s 87(1)  of the consumer credit act 1974 which as not been compiled with. 3. The debt was legally assigned to the Claimant on 23/08/23, notice on which as been given to the defendant.  4. The claim includes statutory interest under S.69 of the county courts act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from the date of assignment to the date of issue of these proceedings in the sum of £117.53 the Claimant claims the sum of £6281.14. Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ?   Not to my knowledge. Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online but it was for a smaller amount they kept on increasing this with me asking Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. It was assigned to a debt collection agency  Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? yes  Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Yes I also made offers to pay original creditor a smaller amount but was not replied to Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? No Why did you cease payments? I was made redundant and got a less paid job I also spent some time on furlough during covid and spent some 3 months on ssp off work. What was the date of your last payment? May 2021 Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes at the time I communicated with all my creditor's that I was running out of funds to pay the original agreements once my redundancy money ran out that was when my accounts defaulted. I then wrote to all my creditor's with pro rata offers of payments but debt collectors took over the accounts.
    • Just an update for all. I received about a letter every other week, increasing in threat levels. Then I hadn't had one for a about two weeks, then Saturday received a carbon copy of the very first letter they sent me in February. Made me laugh, rinse and repeat. 
    • So, your response was not received by the SCP as you did not send it with a valid stamp. Therefore, from my two option in post #14, the first option is the only one available to you, but you do not have the option of asking to be sentenced at the fixed penalty level as the reason the SCP did not receive your response was down to you. Here's a reminder of what to do: Respond to the SJPN by pleading “Not Guilty” to both charges. In the “Reasons for pleading Not Guilty” box state that you are willing to plead guilty to the speeding charge providing, and only providing, the “Fail to Provide Driver's Details" (FtP) charge is dropped. This is a tried and tested method to deal with your problem and is almost always successful. Before the pandemic it was necessary to attend court to do this "deal" because it needs the agreement of the police prosecutor.. During the pandemic courts made every effort to have as few  people as possible attend and they began doing this deal under the "Single Justice" procedure without the defendant's attendance. Some courts have carried this procedure on whilst others have reverted to a personal attendance being necessary. If you are required to attend, your case will be taken out of the SJ procedure and you will be given a date for a hearing in the normal Magistrates' Court. If that is the way they do it in the area involved you will have to attend, see the prosecutor and offer your "deal" in person. 
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yes good point

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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i'd just sit tight an await the SAR now

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thanks DX, not sure I want the wait! Im very keen to satify an inner need to write to Hamptons to let them know how crazy they are refering to none existant CCJ's yesterday and sending this crap out the day after aswell but I will wait, I will wait......Patience is a virtue and all that.....:-)

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I have never made a payment to Lowells so im pleased to hear this fact, is this coverd in the cpr rules?

 

 

I am not sure that it is in CPR.. but logic says..

 

You have never paid any money to Lowells - so WHERE did those figures come from.. You want to see statements from the original creditor in order to satisfy yourself that the amount is correct.

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Hi caggers!!!

 

Ive had a quiet week or two and thankfully received no more from Hamptons Lowells or the original creditors. So still having no paperwork from the claimant or the SAR's! So ive spent the afternoon reviewing my case notes on this as the big day is looming next week! Getting a little nervous if honest and hoping the postman stays away next Monday and Tuesday!! :oops:

 

Just thinking about my expenses I have drafted up but not sure how or if to claim for fuel costs as I will have coverd 190 miles! Is there a rate per mile or am I in lala land lol.

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Ok cheers 42man thats good to know!!

 

Just another daft question if you dont mind, i have my expenses worked out and think im going to email them to the court having just found they have an email address for receiving edocs, do you think that would be ok? There is a fax number but who has a fax these days lol.

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Are you able to telephone first to confirm that it is ok to email !

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Ok, nothing in the post today hurrah!!!! :-)

 

Ive just rang the court and confirmed its ok to email in the costs ready for tomorrow and Hamptons haven't filed anything so no surprises hopefully. Im getting a bit anxious though as the big day looms tomorrow and dont have anything formal to wear and worried Hamptons will turn up and ask for an adjournment to get the nos and cca :| Im gunna make sure the judge does an or else if that happens!

 

The anxiety is killing me! Ahhh role on tomorow!!!

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Make sure you show the judge how angry and annoyed you are at having to deal with this, tell him/her how this seems to be a multiple breach of not only the Consumer Credit Act, but The Consumer Protection From Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 in line with their own associations code of conduct, Be frim but polite, don't interrupt the judge when he /she is talking, call him/her Sir or Madam. and ask for your costs.....be warned if anybody turns up representing Lowells, they may want to talk to you before the hearing, state that you will listen to them, tell them you will not litigate or defend in a waiting room and that you will let the judge decide.... conversations outside the court room have been known to appear IN the court room AGAINST the defendants favour....

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Ok, nothing in the post today hurrah!!!! :-)

 

Ive just rang the court and confirmed its ok to email in the costs ready for tomorrow and Hamptons haven't filed anything so no surprises hopefully. Im getting a bit anxious though as the big day looms tomorrow and dont have anything formal to wear and worried Hamptons will turn up and ask for an adjournment to get the nos and cca :| Im gunna make sure the judge does an or else if that happens!

 

The anxiety is killing me! Ahhh role on tomorow!!!

 

You dont need to wear formal.. clean and smart casual will do the job. As 42man has said, just be polite to the Judge.

 

When I went to court, I was very tempted to jump in when the opposition were telling porkies.. bite your tongue is best :lol: Wait until it is your turn then just be concise and do your best to be confident.

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Thankyou guys, your words have eased my anxiety slightly but i wont be settled until I have my expenses cheque in hand lol. And don't doubt for a second that I will be laying it on thick to the judge regarding Hamptons conduct as I truly am disgusted that they think they can bully and cheat ignoring there own rules of conduct attempting to ruin a person for debts they clearly cannot prove exist at this stage. Shocking.......

 

I wonder if they even turn up or send someone, if they don't do you think the judge would agree to set it aside despite still having 10 or so days left for the SAR complaince?

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Bereft of any relief that can be afforded you by the civil procedure rules, you have made more than a reasonable attempt to gain information.....if you have any sniff of a 'triable' issue then the judge should set aside. But sometimes this can depend on the judge.....so be aware of this.

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As citizenB said. if they start telling lies, make sure you bite your tongue. You can contest what the other party said when it is your turn to give evidence. Let them have their say, and they will let you have yours.

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Ok guys understood I will be sure to make notes if they arrive and start lying so i can counter them with reason and thanks, im still kackin' it though :|

Today i made 3 copies of all letters i have sent and recieved and put them togethor in three handy little packs with an index on the front, should it be needed :-)

 

Infact if they do show I am looking forward to asking them to explain what they are on about in there letters (one for each claim) regarding a CCJ.. from post 112.

 

 

 

We are in reciept of your request for a copy of your credit agreement in accordance with section78(1)of the consumer credit act 1974.

 

We are requesting a copy of the agreement from the original lender with whome you originally entered into the agreement.

 

 

Whilst we liase with the original creditor in relation to your request, we confirm that our client intends to continue with their current action having the benefit of the above mentioned county court judgment. This will remain the position should the information be unavialble.

 

If you have any queries etc.........

 

EDIT: re reading that made me laugh as they are saying that they will proceed to try and ruin me for pennies even though they have no evidence to date.

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Just back from court and im livid, livid at myself first and foremost but equally livid if possible because of the lies that fell out of the solicitors mouth and the judge accepting them!

 

In short my Application to set aside demand was dismissed due to being out of time despite being given the green light prior to the hearing. What an utter waste of time and fuel that was, why didnt they just refuse the hearing when it was presented to the judge earleir on application and save us all the bother.

 

Thats not all, more later when I calm down.

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I got an ******* judge big style yes.

 

I was out of my depth from the off so it seems, very very interesting experience.

 

A summary:

 

Just as I was leaving the house this morning the postman arrived with a letter form Hamptons saying please find enclosed a copy of letter of asginments as requested. Inside were indeed two invalid NOA's as they were from Lowells on Lowells headed paper and signed by Lowells, somebody called Andrew Bartle chief operations officer. So basicly I was in a good mood driving to the court, I clearly had the advantage so I thought and couldnt wait for Hamptons to hang themselves with these..

 

Prior to the hearing there solicitor walked by and called me by name, I looked and she said exact words "come on then lets get this sorted" walking to a side room and gesturing me to follow and so I did. Once inside she offerd me a seat so i sat and then she said I am going to ask for this to be set aside and I went all light headed at that point. Firmly I told her I was prepared to listen and nothing more. She then produced a piece of paper titled consent order and gave me a summary of the contents verbally, then she asked me what I thought so I reminded her that I was not there to discuss anything even though i had this set aside thing whirling around. With that she gave me the paper and said lets go tell the judge we are ready. She spun my head properly, very cunning indeed.

 

At first the judge started flicking through his book and was giving the solicitor some grief about the rules of service asking her what they were. As this was going on I thought very nice, here we go. Then she tells him they sent me 21 letters in total and three from a process server prior to the SD and I never recieved them I swear. I contested this to deaf ears by the looks of it. She also claimed the server had conversed with a neighbour, which is odd as I dont have any living in a detached flat in the centre of town. I said this was all news to me and the only letter I had recieved was the SD posted through by hand, no responce from judge but i dont htink he believed me.

 

The lack of CCA was a no go, the judge said the rules are being loosend up on that and as far as the lack of NOA the judge said he was happy the debt was genuine as he believed the solicitor lies about them sending it out way back. I pleaded my case stating the POC relied on it and I was not in possesion of a NOA let alone a valid one.

 

 

The judge asked why I had not applied in time and this threw me as I though we had passed that hurdle, I said what was on my statement and whilst he danced around repeating himself about it bieng out of time so I got the impression he was giving me time to jump in but I had nothing so he started talking about dismissing my application.

 

As a last resort I batted the OFT guidlines about SD being used as debt collection tool and trying to ruin somebody for such a frivolous amount was crazy, the judge said two thousand pounds is not a frivolous amount and something along the lines of how else are they supposed to collect debts.

 

I was beaten, very angry and well ****ed off by then.

 

At the end I asked if the judge would now be demanding Hamptons submit there petition as I understood this was the proper procedure now but he said im the judge and i decide.

 

I walked out and told there solicitor I was dealt a bad hand and I was disgusted as i told her she didnt have a valid NOA or any other proof the debt is valid..

 

 

 

I probably missed one or two things but it was certainly a learning curve and a mistake I wont be making again. So I find myself facing a petition if they do submit one even though they do not have an original CCA for the one debt it applies to and the lack of NOA's as well, i feel like justice died in that court room today.

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"The lack of CCA was a no go, the judge said the rules are being loosend up on that"

 

I can't believe he said that.....the Consumer Credit Act is a statute that can't be ignored....

 

Possibly not his exact words but yes he said the lack of a CCA didnt matter as the lack of a CCA was being loosend up, as he was saying that he saying it to the solicitor and they were both nodding. I can tell you I was shocked.

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Possibly not his exact words but yes he said the lack of a CCA didnt matter as the lack of a CCA was being loosend up, as he was saying that he saying it to the solicitor and they were both nodding. I can tell you I was shocked.

 

If they havent complied with an s78 request, it does matter ?

 

what the hell did he mean by "being loosened up" ?

 

Something seriously wrong with this..

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