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Thanks for everything guys. I know my letter was too long, I am terrible when it comes to making things concise, which is why I have asked for help. I'm glad to see that I have plenty of fellow insomniacs on this forum. As soon as we have all perfected this letter/notice I shall send it recorded delivery. I was wondering, do I also send a copy to the council?

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Thanks for everything guys. I know my letter was too long, I am terrible when it comes to making things concise, which is why I have asked for help. I'm glad to see that I have plenty of fellow insomniacs on this forum. As soon as we have all perfected this letter/notice I shall send it recorded delivery. I was wondering, do I also send a copy to the council?

 

Of course you send a letter to the Council, after all they are also responsible for this as they are the ones that employed them to do this in the first place. If it were me then copies would go to the Recoveries Dept, Council CEO. Leader of the Council & his opposite number, local Councillor(s) & MP.

 

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The council are wholly liable for the hell the bailiffs who are acting as THEIR agents put you through, so yes they get the letter also, as the buck firmly stops with THEM.

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Thanks guys, I will definitely make sure I copy in all of these important people. I have also been advised to go to the press, however, I do not want to do anything that may damage my case, I am being very careful as I know I have got a strong case against the bailiffs and I don't want to jeopardise it.

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To complain about the Bailiff you are supposed to use the Company's Complaints procedure first, then make a complaint to their trade body - both in my opinion useless. Complain to the Council & hope they will dothe usual - which is back the Bailiff. If still aggrieved then you may consider the Form 4 route.

 

As you have some proof already of their wrongdoing I would be loathe to let them all know you have that and hope they will each dig themselves a large hole they may have difficulty extricating themselves from.

 

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To complain about the Bailiff you are supposed to use the Company's Complaints procedure first, then make a complaint to their trade body - both in my opinion useless. Complain to the Council & hope they will dothe usual - which is back the Bailiff. If still aggrieved then you may consider the Form 4 route.

 

As you have some proof already of their wrongdoing I would be loathe to let them all know you have that and hope they will each dig themselves a large hole they may have difficulty extricating themselves from.

 

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Cunning, but not a bad idea...

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Today I received an email from our local Magistrates Courts. The email stated that they only have details of an old Liability Order from 2010 that we have already paid, which is strange as RR and the council are claiming that the LO they are enforcing was from last year.

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Today I received an email from our local Magistrates Courts. The email stated that they only have details of an old Liability Order from 2010 that we have already paid, which is strange as RR and the council are claiming that the LO they are enforcing was from last year.

 

Ask the council how many LOs there are and when were they obtained again, to check , if all are satisfied it is an even bigger hole they are digging for themselves.

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hmm, im wondering if they are using the same liability order to cover this last debt.

 

Have you received a LO for last year?

 

Hi there. No, that's what prompted the events on Tuesday. We asked repeatedly to see the LO. At first we were fobbed off for about 2 weeks with a variety of excuses. On Monday I informed the council that I would cease payment and request that the matter go back to court, unless they could produce the order. Less than 24 hours later they sent round the bully boys.

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Ask the council how many LOs there are and when were they obtained again, to check , if all are satisfied it is an even bigger hole they are digging for themselves.

 

It's all becoming very suspicious. I believe that something does not quite add up, hence the harassment. About halfway through the events on Tuesday, my husband and I started to become concerned that the harassment was not just because of the money.

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It's all becoming very suspicious. I believe that something does not quite add up, hence the harassment. About halfway through the events on Tuesday, my husband and I started to become concerned that the harassment was not just because of the money.

 

Could the bailiffs abetted by the council have been enforcing for dodgy fees alone? You need to check all payments made and check the figures fomo council and bailiffs, but get those complaints off ASAP

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Could the bailiffs abetted by the council have been enforcing for dodgy fees alone? You need to check all payments made and check the figures fomo council and bailiffs, but get those complaints off ASAP

 

Complaints letters are almost ready to be posted tomorrow. I am still going through the figures as some things just don't add up. I have another cause for suspicion as the council sent us a summons for one Magistrates Court and then sent us a letter saying that the LO had been granted at a different Magistrates court.

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If you are writing to the bailiffs then keep to points that are pertinent to them, if writing to the council I suggest you do the same. they will forward copies to the other and confusion will reign ...never make it easy for them kiddo, make each side use what little understanding they have to enforcement to tangle each other into knots ...then you can be guaranteed they will goof big time and put it all in writing lol.

 

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If you are writing to the bailiffs then keep to points that are pertinent to them, if writing to the council I suggest you do the same. they will forward copies to the other and confusion will reign ...never make it easy for them kiddo, make each side use what little understanding they have to enforcement to tangle each other into knots ...then you can be guaranteed they will goof big time and put it all in writing lol.

 

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I can just imagine them all attempting to untangle this mess, serves em right.....

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I think what it may pay to do is submit a SAR to the Council. Admittedly it does give them 40 days to respond but what you should receive back will be pure gold. Not all Councils charge for SAR's so you would need to enquire first. Some may suggest you submit a SAR for particular facts but my view is that you submit for all so it encompasses more than just Council Tax.

 

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I think what it may pay to do is submit a SAR to the Council. Admittedly it does give them 40 days to respond but what you should receive back will be pure gold. Not all Councils charge for SAR's so you would need to enquire first. Some may suggest you submit a SAR for particular facts but my view is that you submit for all so it encompasses more than just Council Tax.

 

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Words like "rope" and "hang themselves" come to mind. LOL!

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Words like "rope" and "hang themselves" come to mind. LOL!

 

they are on the trapdoor, with Pierrepoint's hand on the lever.

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I think what it may pay to do is submit a SAR to the Council. Admittedly it does give them 40 days to respond but what you should receive back will be pure gold. Not all Councils charge for SAR's so you would need to enquire first. Some may suggest you submit a SAR for particular facts but my view is that you submit for all so it encompasses more than just Council Tax.

 

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I am not sure how to do this. I know what a SAR is, but I've never done one. Perhaps you could point me in the right direction, thanks.

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Good morning guys. I have just agreed to take part in a TV programme regarding my experiences. The reason for this is that I truly believe that, with all your help and support, I can really get someone to sit up and take notice about the illegal tactics used by these criminal bailiffs, however, even though I am prepared to go all the way with my complaint, it will only help me and my family, I don't think that this is enough, I want others to know what is really going on and to realise that there is help and support out there for people in the same situation.

 

Right, I'm off to get a cuppa and finish up my letter ready to send later. Hope you all have a wonderful day xxx

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"From:

My Name

My Address

 

To:

Acme Bailiff Co

Bailiff House

 

Date

 

Dear Sir

Data Protection Act 1998

Subject Access Request

 

Dear Sir

 

 

Please supply a complete list of ALL the data held and used by you that relate to Mr XXXX. It is also to include third party information held with all other agencies.

 

Additionally where there has been an event in the account(s) history during the period accounts have been placed with you that have required any manual intervention by any member of your staff or any other person I require disclosure of any indication or notes which have been caused or resulted from that manual intervention.

 

I would like to bring to your attention data can be held in written information, e-mails, electronic documents, photographs, CCTV images, telephone conversations and include any recorded or written opinions about me/us and any recorded or written intentions and action taken regarding me/us.

 

I/We would like this information to be sent to my/our home address as listed above. You have 40 days in which to comply.

 

To satisfy payment to supply this information I/we enclose a fee of £10 this payment must not be used for any other purpose.

 

 

Yours sincerely

 

 

A Peeved Debtor"

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"From:

My Name

My Address

 

To:

Acme Bailiff Co

Bailiff House

 

Date

 

Dear Sir

Data Protection Act 1998

Subject Access Request

 

Dear Sir

 

 

Please supply a complete list of ALL the data held and used by you that relate to Mr XXXX. It is also to include third party information held with all other agencies.

 

Additionally where there has been an event in the account(s) history during the period accounts have been placed with you that have required any manual intervention by any member of your staff or any other person I require disclosure of any indication or notes which have been caused or resulted from that manual intervention.

 

I would like to bring to your attention data can be held in written information, e-mails, electronic documents, photographs, CCTV images, telephone conversations and include any recorded or written opinions about me/us and any recorded or written intentions and action taken regarding me/us.

 

I/We would like this information to be sent to my/our home address as listed above. You have 40 days in which to comply.

 

To satisfy payment to supply this information I/we enclose a fee of £10 this payment must not be used for any other purpose.

 

 

Yours sincerely

 

 

A Peeved Debtor"

 

Thanks for this PT, I am on it.

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Following numerous requests to take a look at SAR replies by Sherforce can I suggest you make a slight addition to the template PT has so kindly provided:

 

"It is expected that any documents written to code or abbreviations, be accompanied with the appropriate key to permit clarity"

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