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    • For offences where a ban or points are appropriate, provided the speed is not "excessive", points are the usual option provided there are no "aggravating circumstances" (such as driving an HGV, near a school, very bad weather, etc.). This is especially so where the driver has a clean licence. Your offence falls into the middle band (of three) of seriousness. It is only the top band (speeds > 40 in a 20 limit, >100 in a 70 limit) where the "excessive" issue comes into play. I would be most surprised if you were banned for that offence and even if you were it would only be for a short period, say seven to fourteen days.   You can see the sentencing guidelines here:   Speeding (Revised 2017) – Sentencing (sentencingcouncil.org.uk)
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    • The National Police Chiefs' Council's policy on speeding enforcement suggest that speeds of 35mph or above in a 20mph area should be dealt with by way of court action. All forces in England & Wales usually follow those guidelines so it is more than likely your matter will be dealt with under the "Singe Justice Procedure."   Magistrates' guidelines for that speed suggest a fine of a week's net income (reduced by a third if you plead guilty) together with either a ban of up to 28 days or 4 to 6 points. Points are far more likely. That band of seriousness covers 31 to 40mph so you can expect six points or, if you're lucky, five. You will also pay £85 prosecution costs and a "Victim Surcharge" of 10% of the fine (minimum £34).   The police have six months from the date of the offence to bring proceedings and in many areas take all of that so you may not hear anything until next May. The first notification you get will be a "Singe Justice Procedure Notice". You cannot attend a Single Justice hearing but you will not have to attend court unless either you particularly want to or the Single Justice is considering disqualification (Single Justices will not disqualify you without giving you an opportunity to attend a court hearing). In either of those circumstances the matter will be adjourned and listed for a normal court hearing.
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Hey Locky94,


Really glad someone picked up this thread and I have the opportunity to pass this wisdom onto someone else!


In the end we had several letters but we followed the advice on this forum down to the letter and we never heard from them again! I think it was after 2/3 letters from them that we wrote to them and said we 'denied liability to their clients', and then we never heard from them again.


Don't cave- be strong!

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Thanks for the quick reply, As i'm a student i don't have 150 at hand. So i was worrying. When should i send the letter saying that i deny liability to their clients? After they send another one?


Thanks for the help, Really is grateful

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Hi again- have a look back over this thread (thats where i found the advice)- but im pretty sure we put: To DWF, ref you letter dated [whenever they sent you the letter] I deny any liability to you or your client, Yours Sincerely, [your name]. Something like that. But yep wait for 2nd of 3rd letter. and dont sweat it

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Thank you HoneyBee


And ScarletPimpernel, this is the 3rd letter i have just received today

Dear Sirs,


Our Client: Sainsbury's Supermarkets Limited

Balance Due: £150


We write with reference to our letters dated **/**/**** and **/**/**** and note we have note received your reply.


Should payment not be made during the course of the next 7 days we will consider commencing Court Proceedings to recover the sum outstanding.


If you do not pay:

- The sum outstanding may increase due to Court costs, fees and interest

- A county court Judgment may be entered against you

- Your credit rating may be affected for up to 6 years

- A bailiff may attend your house to remove goods to the value owed

- We may seek a Court order deducting monies from your earnings with your employer


If you pay now:

- No further action will be taken


Please pay by one of the following methods [...]


We await your payment or response during the course of the next 7 days.


Yours faithfully,



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I see that DWF appear to have forgotten that they'd need to win a court case before any of the things they threaten can happen. If they were attempting to collect a legitimate debt their letter would breach OFT Guidance, but as no real debt exists it's clearly just an attempt to mislead.


Personally, I'd send a simple letter:


Dear Sirs


I refer to your recent correspondence. Any liability to you or your client is denied.


Yours etc.,


... and then ignore them.


You could also just continue to ignore them. There is always a possibility, however remote, that a court claim could be brought, and the letter will show a judge that you have made your position clear, whilst ignoring them may show a reluctance to deal with the matter.

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Brilliant, Thanks. I will send them the letter tomorrow morning. This might sound like a stupid question (i've only just turned 18 so not clued up on things) but what does "denying liability" Actually mean?

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Ahhh okay, Thanks for all this help. Really am grateful.


Hi Locky94,


Initially, apologies for reviving an old thread.


My wife has recently found herself in a similar situation and I was wondering if you were successful with your efforts following the advice received in this thread.

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Hi Red DD


I think that if Locky94 was still experiencing any problems then there would be more posts here


Have a read of all of the RLP threads and then create your own thread if you need support


RLP do operate a bullying business model with no legal basis and cannot take legal action against anyone. Your wife should certainly not return any of the forms that they might send, the only communication worthwhile is the one-liner denying any liability, and even with that, not by registered post (get a free certificate of posting from the post office)

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