Penalty Charge Notice

[jegneg]

Hi All

Does anyone know of a template letter I could use to challengea Penalty Charge Notice.

It was issued by City Of Westminster.

I have no real grounds to contest the ticket other than Ijust don’t want them to profit from my mistake (waiting on double yellows).

The ticket was issued for £60, but now stands at £130because I didn’t pay within 28 days!!!

So it would appear I must be punished!!

[Jamberson]

I have no real grounds to contest the ticket

 

Good luck with that one then!

[crem]

why were you waiting on the DYL? If their was someone getting in or out of the car at the time, then the boarding and alighting excemption usually applies. Or were you really "parked" waiting for someone to arrive?

[esmerobbo]

"So it would appear I must be punished!!"

 

If you have no real grounds for an appeal, you will be punished a whole lot more the £135 if you don't pay!

[jegneg]

Thanks

 

Has anyony heard of this approach?

 

Sending the PCN back to them with: REFUSED FOR CAUSE

WITHOUT DISHOUNOR on it.

Just something I picked up online!!

Not entirely sure what it means!?

Edited January 20, 2012 by jegneg
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[honeybee13]

Hello there. Where did you see it please? Not 'Freemen' was it?

 

My best, HB

[green_and_mean]

Thanks

 

Has anyony heard of this approach?

 

Sending the PCN back to them with: REFUSED FOR CAUSE

WITHOUT DISHOUNOR on it.

Just something I picked up online!!

Not entirely sure what it means!?

 

 

Try it you have nothing to lose you have already gone past the discount period, we would be very interested on the outcome!

[jegneg]

No, it was on the Get Out Of Debt Free website forum!!

[starfarer]

There was a thread here, something like "confuse and conquer" technique. Basically, ask for saturday date for the first PATAS hearing. Normally they're fully booked plus being half working day, it'll take it to at least 5/6 months. Then nearing hearing date, call and cancel the date and book for another saturday. Another 5/6 months??? Then again cancel that as still within rights and book for another Saturday. Pray that after 1 year council will loose patience on waiting game for.....£130!

 

Edit: I can't seem to find the thread. Will appreciate if anyone can link here. Cheers.

[green_and_mean]

There was a thread here, something like "confuse and conquer" technique. Basically, ask for saturday date for the first PATAS hearing. Normally they're fully booked plus being half working day, it'll take it to at least 5/6 months. Then nearing hearing date, call and cancel the date and book for another saturday. Another 5/6 months??? Then again cancel that as still within rights and book for another Saturday. Pray that after 1 year council will loose patience on waiting game for.....£130!

 

Edit: I can't seem to find the thread. Will appreciate if anyone can link here. Cheers.

 

The Council don't have to show patience once the appeal is lodged they just wait until they get the verdict they will probably not even be aware its been postponed provided they send in the evidence on time they just forget about it until PATAS send them the outcome.

[Old Snowy]

The "Get Out of Debt Free" website appears to be a FOTL variation full of references to "legal fictions", "title cases" "straw-men" etc

[starfarer]

The Council don't have to show patience once the appeal is lodged they just wait until they get the verdict they will probably not even be aware its been postponed provided they send in the evidence on time they just forget about it until PATAS send them the outcome.

 

Yeah understand that but what if council do have to pay the cost of hearing? ie everytime it's re-scheduled? Though no idea the actual cost for westminster but an example:

 

Dear Mr Jones

 

TfL ref: FOI-0509-1112

 

Thank you for your email received by Transport for London (TfL) on 20 July

2011 asking for information about the cost of cases prepared and defended

using the Parking and Traffic Appeals Service.

 

Your request has been considered under the requirements of the Freedom of

Information Act 2000 and TfL's information access policy. I can confirm

that TfL holds the information you require.

 

When a PCN is issued on the Transport for London Road Network, motorists

are given the opportunity to pay the Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) at a

reduced rate of £65 if the penalty is paid promptly.

 

When a motorist submits an appeal to the Parking and Traffic Appeals

Service challenging TfL's decision to reject a representation, the

motorist loses the opportunity to pay the PCN at the reduced rate and the

full penalty of £130 applies.

 

The cost to TfL for contesting an appeal for PCNs issued on the Transport

for London Road Network is £35. The cost payable to PATAS for hearing

an appeal is £39.42.

 

If this is not the information you are looking for, please do not hesitate

to contact me.

 

If you are not satisfied with this response please see the attached

information sheet for details of your right to appeal.

 

Yours sincerely

 

Graham Hurt

 

FOI Case Officer

 

FOI Case Management Team

 

IACT, General Counsel

 

Transport for London