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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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We owed a some money in CT for 2009 and then again in 2010.

We were forced into an arrangement with the bailiff. Now by "force" I mean the bailiff showed up at 5:30am and clamped our vehicle and refused to leave without £500 in his pocket and a monthly owing of £250. We had to clean out our bank account then and there and enter into an agreement that is WAY more than we are able to pay a month. Previously we sent a copy of our monthly budget showing our income and how much we were able to pay to both the council and the bailiff which was subsequently ignored by both.

 

The bailiff has been charging us for visit fees, levy fees etc.. for two separate accounts - 2009 AND 2010 which means are being charged twice for everything. This seems VERY wrong.

Does anyone know for certain if this is in fact legal, cause it sure as heck doesn't seem like it!! (although, a lot of what has happened to us does not seem legal!!)

 

Also, is there any way of getting our payments lowered. We signed under DURESS and simply cannot pay it!!

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Can you let us know how much each liability order was.

The charges and fees made.Do you know how many visits were made.

Who is the bailiff company (dont mention the bailiffs name)

Has the bailiff gained peaceful entry to your home.

 

He should not have been calling at 5.30am

 

Were you given any notice's

Have you been given a copy of the levy (good seized) Ie car

 

It would help us to know these.

 

thank you :)

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Sorry. I was having some problems. I'll just do it the long way.

Here is a breakdown of what's been charged as provided by Ross and Roberts (the bailiffs) themselves.

 

Debt : 1301.80 +

First Visit - 24.00

Second Visit - 18.00

Levy - 61.00

Waiting time - 120.00

WP (?) - 12.00

Total 1597.00

Payment made - 225 = 1312.00

 

Debt #2 (council tax 2010)

Debt - 1300

1st Visit - 24.00 + 2nd Visit - 18.00

Levy - 61.00

Waiting time - 120.00

WP - 12.00

Payment made 226.50

Total - 1250.00

 

He was given peaceful entry. We had to go through with the levy as our car was clamped. We could have sat there all day, but I needed to be at work or I'd lose my job. He had visited us twice prior and gave no indication when he would return. We kept refusing to accept his offer as he would not enter into any agreement that we could possibly afford on our household income, therefore he returned and clamped our vehicle and threatened to have it removed if we did not pay the £450 (for both debts) upfront.

We made a payment in October and according to our bank it went through without any problem. He still arrived back mid October claiming that the funds had not been recieved. We were forced to make a payment then and there as well as paying ahead the next month. This was of course, VERY distressing as we were again forced to hand over every penny we had. Luckily the bank took pity on us and although they disagreed that the money was not recieved refunded the amount.

Now I could be wrong but this doesn not sound right? Could someone please critique our statement so I know what's what and make sure its legally on the level or not??

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Hi there,

 

WP stands for walking posession and is what they have on your car.

 

There isn't, as far as I understand it, any provision for bailiffs to charge a waiting fee on the accounts so these can be disregarded (though you will perhaps have a fight to get the sums removed).

 

You need to know what dates the bailiff has applied as being the visit dates as he is not allowed to charge multiple fees for different accounts if the visits happened on the same date - so, if he called on Monday for the first time and has 2 years worth of C.Tax to collect, he can only charge you £24:50. If he obtains a levy on the first visit I don't believe he can charge for a visit fee and a levy fee on the same date - others will be along to confirm this.

 

You need to put down the dates the visit fees etc were added to the account (if you have that already) otherwise you need to ask the bailiff company for the dates for each visit and for when the levy was obtained.

 

Others will be along soon enough to add better advice than I've given here,

 

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Feebee is correct, there is nothing in sch 5 to state that this charge can be made;

 

The Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement) Regulations 1992

Schedule 5.

 

There are no regulations set out by schedule 5 for such a fee regardless whether or not a Council have a set arrangement for this Fee to be charged.

 

No person shall be entitled to charge, or recover from, a tenant any fees, charges or expenses for levying a distress, or for doing any act or thing in relation thereto, other than those authorised by the tables in Appendix 1 to these Rules.

 

Do you know what the bailiff levied on.

 

how many times has the bailiff been and were the liability orders carried out on the same day.

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Thanks Feebee_71. To clarify, while I do not have the dates, the bailiff only visited our home three times, including the day he clamped the vehicle. His visits were with respect to both accounts. He did not make separate visits. I'd understand wanting the fees if he came for one account on one day and returned on a separate occasion for the other but this is not the case. Our vehicle and a few small possessions (our £15 ikea kitchen table for example) were levied twice for each account. (ie there are two levies carried out on the same day which contain the same items.) I hope that makes sense?

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Levy includes:

 

Our vehicle (purchased a year ago for a staggering £500)

Wii and PS3 and games

Ikea table worth £15 and a bookcase.

 

Needless to say, he didn't make much of an effort to levy the goods in our home.

 

The question in that case is what to do about it.

We can either send a letter detailing what we believe we owe. We fear this might be kicking a hornet's nest so to speak and they may try and create a second levy to even things out and put them in the right.

The other option (my husband's suggestion) is that we stop payment where we feel we have hit the limit of what we are entitled pay and tell them that we have no intention of paying the added illegal fees. I fear this will only cause a lot of unnecessary hassle when they try all sorts of nasty tricks to get us to pay.

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Did he have a Clamping Order when he clamped your car? Send off for a breakdown of the fees he is charging. Here's an example of what to use, adapt as you see fit and send initially by email backed up by a copy in the post:

 

"From:

My Name

My Address

 

To:

Acme Bailiff Co

Bailiff House

 

Ref: Account No: 123456

 

Dear Sir

 

With reference to the above account, Can you please provide me with a breakdown of the charges.

 

This includes:

a - the time & date of any Bailiff action that incurred a Fee.

b - the reason for the fee.

c - the name(s) of the Bailiff(s) that attended on each occasion a Fee was charged.

d - the name(s) of the Court(s) the Bailiff(s) was/were Certificated at.

e - the date of the Certification.

 

This is not a Subject Access Request under the Data Protection Act S7 1998 so does not incur a fee of £10. You are obliged to provide this information.

 

I require this information within 14 days.

 

Yours faithfully

 

Ripped off customer"

 

R&R tell some marvellous stories about multiple levies and other fees not on the Fee Schedule.

 

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Am confused now as have gone back to read properly. You say you have the breakdown but they have not given the dates all occurred. In which case you need to go back to them and insist as otherwise you cannot acheive an objective response - it's like being given a new car but they have retained the steering wheel.

 

Have you also had confirmation of the amounts owing from the Council, the dates the LO's were obtained, the period of time each covers etc.

 

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Do these happen to belong to children?

 

If they do, they are exempt from seizure along with children's toys, furniture etc

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