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    • Thank you. I expect that @dx100uk will be along soon to give advice. Meanwhile, I really wonder whether the default date – as being the starting point of the six years – something which has been decided in law. It has always seemed to me to be extremely unfair. According to the limitation act, the six year period begins from the date on which the cause of action accrued. This normally means that the breach of contract occurred. Section 6 of the limitation act says that in terms of loans, the cause of action begins on the date that the debt was "demanded". Over the past two years this has come to mean the date that the default notice was issued – but I have to say I don't find that very satisfactory. If you received demands for payment before then then I don't see why section 6 shouldn't refer to that date. Did you not receive any correspondence at all in 2017/2018? What was the value of the original loan – and how much you pay off? I see that there was some kind of instalment agreement. Tell us about that. See what my colleague @dx100uk says but anyway, if I were you I would send off an SAR immediately both to the claimant and also to the original creditor. It costs you nothing. There is no downside. Get in the post straightaway with some kind of utility bill establishing your identity. You can even include a copy of the claim form as well as proof of your identity
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    • Thank you. I'm going to say that the photographs really don't say very much and once again it's a real shame that you didn't take lots of photographs of all the issues including the Windows and the state of the inside of the room. You can certainly bring a claim here if you want and we will help you but I'm really not sure of your chances of success. It sounds to me as if the manager you spoke to was dismissive and nothing was particularly agreed or admitted. If you want to bring a claim then I would start off by establishing a paper trail where you point out the things that were wrong and the fact that you discuss this with the duty manager who appeared to be dismissive. You could ask them then in general terms if they have any proposals to make. I think you're in weak position. I don't think you should start threatening them with legal action or anything at the moment and even if you did bring a legal action for the full amount I would probably advise you to negotiate a settlement of maybe 50% – if you're lucky – at mediation. Have you tried putting up Google reviews and reviews on trust pilot? This could also be a good way to start. I'm very sorry but when you deal with these kinds of issues then you need to collect evidence as quickly as possible. It is the first thing you always do when there is a poor hotel, a stone in your cornflakes or a motor accident. I'm afraid that you have to think this way and maybe it doesn't come naturally – but having run the consumer action group for 18 years, this is rather second nature. If you have any phone calls with them then you should read our customer services guide first and then confirm any admissions they might make in writing.
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Hello bello217!

 

Welcome to CAG!

 

I wonder if PT257 could confirm the details of the case that is due to be heard in Cardiff and when

 

I may have missed a Post. Which case are you referring to? If you can link to when this was mentioned, or copy up the details from further back in this Thread, that would be helpful.

 

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thanks Magda

 

Have just put post on that thread, must admit I am struggling to find my way around this site a bit as the threads are not easy to follow

 

You'll soon get the hang of it, mind you, I often get confused, and I've been on here for a while now:)

 

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Hi i have just received a signed copy of the original credit card application form from nationwide but this does not prove the debt does it? don't they have to give me a credit agreement signed?

any advice much appreciated i'm trying to help out a friend who is facing a charging order on his house in court on friday! he has left it very last minute but anyone got any ideas??

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Hi i have just received a signed copy of the original credit card application form from nationwide but this does not prove the debt does it? don't they have to give me a credit agreement signed?

any advice much appreciated i'm trying to help out a friend who is facing a charging order on his house in court on friday! he has left it very last minute but anyone got any ideas??

 

You need to post on here a copy (with blanked out personal info) which I am sure one of the site team will then advise if it is enforcable. Have you had DN and or termination and has anyone yet checked whether they are properly issued?

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Hi i have just received a signed copy of the original credit card application form from nationwide but this does not prove the debt does it? don't they have to give me a credit agreement signed?

any advice much appreciated i'm trying to help out a friend who is facing a charging order on his house in court on friday! he has left it very last minute but anyone got any ideas??

 

 

Consumer Credit Agreement(Cancellation Notices and Copies of documents) Regulations 1983

Allow for the omission of certain prescribed terms in a copy...signature being one of them.

 

However as Gallahad said post up your application form/agreement minus personal info...

 

Next step will be to inspect it as to form and Content

 

I am sure just to reiterate that a site team member more experienced in these matters will be on hand to help you

 

However you have said that it is an application form...it is important therefore to see that it does NOT contain certain prescribed terms as to FORM as well as content...such as ''this is a fixed sum loan regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974''

 

It should also contain the appropriate cancellation notices depending on the type and nature of your agreement including the circumstances leading up to concluding the agreement such as where the negotiations and the signing took place.

and....''sign this only if you want to be legally bound by it'' or words to that effect

 

It may after all be a mere application form truly unconnected with the other documents that they sent you or have not sent you as the case may be

 

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hi can any one help, i recieved a phone call form mdr claiming i owe a dept to them , can any one tel me please who mdr are?. allso if they are acting on behalf of someone else. and they say have sent letter but i have not had one also can i send a letter to ask for details

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hi can any one help, i recieved a phone call form mdr claiming i owe a dept to them , can any one tel me please who mdr are?. allso if they are acting on behalf of someone else. and they say have sent letter but i have not had one also can i send a letter to ask for details

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hi can any one help, i recieved a phone call form mdr claiming i owe a dept to them , can any one tel me please who mdr are?. allso if they are acting on behalf of someone else. and they say have sent letter but i have not had one also can i send a letter to ask for details

 

Did you tell them on phone you had received no letter?

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hi can any one help, i recieved a phone call form mdr claiming i owe a dept to them , can any one tel me please who mdr are?. allso if they are acting on behalf of someone else. and they say have sent letter but i have not had one also can i send a letter to ask for details

 

MDR = Moorcroft Debt Recovery

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hi can any one help, i recieved a phone call form mdr claiming i owe a dept to them , can any one tel me please who mdr are?. allso if they are acting on behalf of someone else. and they say have sent letter but i have not had one also can i send a letter to ask for details

 

Might be NDR rather than MDR - Nationwide Debt Recovery.

 

Ignore them until you get something in writing, if they phone again ask them for a copy.

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Hi i have just received a signed copy of the original credit card application form from nationwide but this does not prove the debt does it? don't they have to give me a credit agreement signed?

any advice much appreciated i'm trying to help out a friend who is facing a charging order on his house in court on friday! he has left it very last minute but anyone got any ideas??

 

You have posted very little information so it is difficult to give opinions but I will try.

 

If your friend is facing a charging order on friday I would imagine that the case has already been to court and a judgement issued previously. I would also imagine that they have been ordered to pay the debt and have failed to do so.

 

It would therefore not be a good idea to try and dispute the debt at this stage as it should have been done prior to the original hearing.

 

If this is anywhere near the facts then the best option would be for them to go to court with an income and expenditure statement and make an offer to pay reasonable monthly payments which are affordable. They should request that they are given chance to make these payments and explain to the court that this resulted from an unsecured debt which was never intended to be secured on property.

 

They should also explain that they now have reason to believe that there may have been reasons to defend the original case but they did not have the knowledge to do so at the time and realise it is not the time and place to do so now. However, to grant a charging order to such a large institution against the family home, at a time when the government are looking into restricting such orders, will cause stress and uncertainty to the family and an order to make monthly payments would appear to be a much fairer solution.

 

As it is friday it would make more sense to look for supporting information on the points I have mentioned and the prevention of charging orders rather than the validity of the agreement which will probably not concern the court.

 

Just my opinion and if the facts are not like that I have just wasted my time. Never mind.

 

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Good morning, hope someone can help.

 

I am in the process of trying to get a cca from mbna (August 2009) and to date have not received anything. They have rang me this week saying that if I don't pay they will sell the debt to someone else. My questions are:-

 

1. If they sell the debt, does this company still have to get the cca.

2. I am thinking of talking to mbna and get the debt reduced and pay them something on a monthly basis, has anyone else done this.

3.It seems that even if they don't have the correct terms in the cca, they can still win, is this so.

4.My credit card has been with mbna for 10 years, what is the likely hood they have it and if they don't does this make a differance when going to court, compared to them going to court with a signed one but the terms are wrong.

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Good morning, hope someone can help.

 

I am in the process of trying to get a cca from mbna (August 2009) and to date have not received anything. They have rang me this week saying that if I don't pay they will sell the debt to someone else. My questions are:-

 

1. If they sell the debt, does this company still have to get the cca. Yes

2. I am thinking of talking to mbna and get the debt reduced and pay them something on a monthly basis, has anyone else done this. It's certainly possible, but don't do it over the phone. There are plenty of budget sheets available to help you work out what you can reasonably afford.

3.It seems that even if they don't have the correct terms in the cca, they can still win, is this so. It does seem to heavily depend on the judge, and what they actually come up with. I would never suggest taking a creditor to court, but if they issue against you, you can defend on the basis of an unenforceable agreement.

4.My credit card has been with mbna for 10 years, what is the likely hood they have it and if they don't does this make a differance when going to court, compared to them going to court with a signed one but the terms are wrong. They may or may not have the agreement, it's luck of the draw, but if they do have it, why haven't they sent it to you yet?No agreement at all should put you in a stronger position than missing prescribed terms, for example, but there are never any guarantees.

 

Hope this helps. If you need more advice, it would be better to start your own thread.

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Thanks for your reply reallymadwoman. I might try and see if they will take a reduced amount and do it 0%, if they have not got the cca then this would put me in a stronger position. Does anybody know if there is a thread for settling for a reduced amount, there are so many threads and replies sometimes it is like looking for a needle in a haystack?

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I agree with DD ( I usually do -because he's a clever grandpa like me!).

 

I was offerred a 35% F&F deal on 2 cards I had with MBNA and 2 with A&L (also owned by MBNA). I settled a total of over £35k card debt for just over £11k - BUT I have since read that MBNA had shredded a lot of cca's in 2005/2006 - so I could have saved that £11k too!

 

As DD says, the chances are that, if they are selling the debt, they don't have an enforceable cca. Also they will need to give you a Notice of Assignment if they sell - and this should come by recorded delivery but rarely does - so another possible future loop hole (along with a dodgy DN) for you if you play a waiting game right now.

 

Also remember the reconstruction applies to S 78 - not to the enforceability of the debt where I believe you can still insist on the original signed cca being shown before the judge can order payment.

 

In short - do nothing until you know more about the cca other than go down the cca route, account in dispute etc.etc. This may get them to move on issuing a DN and then a TN - and they may be dodgy so limiting your liability to arrears at time of DN.

 

Hope this helps!

 

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