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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Hi Fallen

 

Not sure if this will help you or not, but MCOL is only updated once a day after 10 am. I too am a self obsessed MCOL checker! lol. With regards to getting fed up, I know where you are comming from, it's a big rush at the beginning and then comes the waiting game:cry: . But stick with it as it's well worth in the end - as I am hoping thats going to be very soon for me.:p

 

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Thanks Bookworm :)

 

My form definately says that the defendant 28 days from the date claim was served, to file a defence. So you filed in April and have a date for November?? - patient you! I was thinking of going for xmas (to Oz) so was hoping it wouldn't be until the New Year anyway ;)

 

Sorry Fallen for taking over your thread, but glad we sort of cleared up the time scales!

 

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I don't mind you taking over my thread, it's great to be able to check and see that your not alone. Still confused over the 28 day thing. My claim has been acknowledged today and this is what it said on the MCOL:

 

"The Defendant is allowed a total of 28 days from the date from when they are served with the claim to reply. "

 

they were served on the 17th, which then implies that they only have 28 days in total which is the 14 October!!

 

Is this the never ending debate? lol?

 

Anyway, glad i've had an acknowledgment, will keep you all posted.

Prem letter sent 19th August asking for £1465.00

Fob off letter received 24 August :mad:

LBA letter sent 3 September

MCOL started 12 September

Deemed as served 17 September

Offer of £550 received 18 September :(

(Not accepting, waiting for acknowledgement!)

Acknowledged on 25 September yey! :)

Defended on 8 October

Allocation Questionnaire received 14th October

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I don't mind you taking over my thread, it's great to be able to check and see that your not alone. Still confused over the 28 day thing. My claim has been acknowledged today and this is what it said on the MCOL:

 

"The Defendant is allowed a total of 28 days from the date from when they are served with the claim to reply. "

 

they were served on the 17th, which then implies that they only have 28 days in total which is the 14 October!!

 

Is this the never ending debate? lol?

 

Anyway, glad i've had an acknowledgment, will keep you all posted.

 

It's definitely 28 days in total:

 

Once a claim is issued at the County Court, you have 14 days to acknowledge the claim form, and either admit all or part of the debt, or submit a defence. Acknowledging the claim within 14 days extends the period to serve a defence to 28 days.

 

So 14 days to respond with either a) a defence or b) an acknowledgement of service.

 

If b) then the defendant gets a further 14 days to file a defence.

 

Pete

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I'm glad that it's only 28 days in total, although expecting them to defend it :mad:

 

Used the interest calculator, so if i have to list the charges and interest, is that easy to do, or should i have done it differently?

 

Why do we have to have the awkward bank, why :eek:

 

I can't believe how long they draw it out! At least it means the interest can build up, although, i know it isn't a lot.

 

How long on average are they taking to file defence before the end of the 28 days? They have got till the 14 October, anyone want to take a guess, place your bets please!! lol!! :D

Prem letter sent 19th August asking for £1465.00

Fob off letter received 24 August :mad:

LBA letter sent 3 September

MCOL started 12 September

Deemed as served 17 September

Offer of £550 received 18 September :(

(Not accepting, waiting for acknowledgement!)

Acknowledged on 25 September yey! :)

Defended on 8 October

Allocation Questionnaire received 14th October

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Help!!!! Just got my allocation questionnaire through and don't know what i am suppose to be doing next. Got to have it in by the 1st Novemeber. Advice would be gratefully received. :o

Prem letter sent 19th August asking for £1465.00

Fob off letter received 24 August :mad:

LBA letter sent 3 September

MCOL started 12 September

Deemed as served 17 September

Offer of £550 received 18 September :(

(Not accepting, waiting for acknowledgement!)

Acknowledged on 25 September yey! :)

Defended on 8 October

Allocation Questionnaire received 14th October

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I found a piece on filling out allocation questionnaires on one of jonni2bads' threads, was really helpful so thanks to him. Already to send now, lets hope it gets resolved promptly. So....what do i do now, where do i find the things i need to prepare for court? Has anyone had a settlement from barclays, because they seem few and far apart, it's a bit unsettling! Scared now!!! Will i get the £100 fee for the allocation questionnaire back, and if so how?

Prem letter sent 19th August asking for £1465.00

Fob off letter received 24 August :mad:

LBA letter sent 3 September

MCOL started 12 September

Deemed as served 17 September

Offer of £550 received 18 September :(

(Not accepting, waiting for acknowledgement!)

Acknowledged on 25 September yey! :)

Defended on 8 October

Allocation Questionnaire received 14th October

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If you're reading around the forum, as you should, these steps shouldn't really come as a surprise. The AQ and the preparation for court are standard steps, so, of course the answers are in the Templates Library!

 

For the AQ advice, click here.

 

For court preparation, click here.

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By day, quiet unassuming bank customer - but, by night, .. .. .. .. ..

Barclays Case1

14/03/07 **WON** FULL settlement £3358.39

Barclays Case2

08/09/08 Prelim: please give me my £187.91 back.

Halifax Case1

14/03/07 **WON** Refunded £728 (including £54 costs)

Halifax Case2

08/09/08 Prelim: please give me my £268.24 back.

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Thanks victimnomore, i'll check it out. Need all the help i can get!

Prem letter sent 19th August asking for £1465.00

Fob off letter received 24 August :mad:

LBA letter sent 3 September

MCOL started 12 September

Deemed as served 17 September

Offer of £550 received 18 September :(

(Not accepting, waiting for acknowledgement!)

Acknowledged on 25 September yey! :)

Defended on 8 October

Allocation Questionnaire received 14th October

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When i do a schedule of charges, do i put the interest on too and where can i do that? Do i put my court costs there too? Where do they go? Didn't anticipate it going this far, most other banks are paying out a lot easier. Hope i get my money back in the end! This is too scary, back to not sleeping again worrying about it, ah well never mind, what will be will be lol!!!

Prem letter sent 19th August asking for £1465.00

Fob off letter received 24 August :mad:

LBA letter sent 3 September

MCOL started 12 September

Deemed as served 17 September

Offer of £550 received 18 September :(

(Not accepting, waiting for acknowledgement!)

Acknowledged on 25 September yey! :)

Defended on 8 October

Allocation Questionnaire received 14th October

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Relax!! Try not to be scared, these people are definitely not worth losing sleep over.

 

You're right though that Barclays seem a lot more stupidly stubborn than other banks. It means, even though they have never yet set foot in a courtroom, you have to be prepared to take them that far.

 

Your schedule should include interest up to your claim date, but not costs.

Victimnomore

By day, quiet unassuming bank customer - but, by night, .. .. .. .. ..

Barclays Case1

14/03/07 **WON** FULL settlement £3358.39

Barclays Case2

08/09/08 Prelim: please give me my £187.91 back.

Halifax Case1

14/03/07 **WON** Refunded £728 (including £54 costs)

Halifax Case2

08/09/08 Prelim: please give me my £268.24 back.

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Ahhhh! Got a court date for 14 March next year. Please tell me that they are still not turning up!! Been busy working for the past few weeks so i haven't had time to come on so if there are any updates can someone let me know. What do i do now?? Where can i find help with preparing the court papers? :confused::eek:

Prem letter sent 19th August asking for £1465.00

Fob off letter received 24 August :mad:

LBA letter sent 3 September

MCOL started 12 September

Deemed as served 17 September

Offer of £550 received 18 September :(

(Not accepting, waiting for acknowledgement!)

Acknowledged on 25 September yey! :)

Defended on 8 October

Allocation Questionnaire received 14th October

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thought i would just start preparing for court, so i started doing a charges schedule but they only go up to current date and i need to do it up to my court date (i think), can i have some help please :oops:

Prem letter sent 19th August asking for £1465.00

Fob off letter received 24 August :mad:

LBA letter sent 3 September

MCOL started 12 September

Deemed as served 17 September

Offer of £550 received 18 September :(

(Not accepting, waiting for acknowledgement!)

Acknowledged on 25 September yey! :)

Defended on 8 October

Allocation Questionnaire received 14th October

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Hi fallen,

 

You can get most of what you need for court bundle in library section of this forum you then need to add corespondence, statements, court info letters etc.

 

With regards to your upto date schedule. I have been pondering over this as got court on 15th Dec.

 

What I might do is do a new one including the £100 Allocation Questionnaire fee and the work out the daily interest from date of issue to court date and add that in. Then if they settle before the court date then work our how many days back and knock it off. Alternatively when they negotiate with you you could say well this amount still stands either pay it or i'll see you in court.

 

These are just suggestions see what others think.

 

Not sure if that helps.

 

Tanz

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Hi, my problem is that my court case is coming ever closer and my maths ain't good, so is there an easier way of working out the costs leading up to the court case?? I've got to get my paperwork in by the middle of this month. AAGH!! HELP!! I can't believe how quickly it has come up.

Prem letter sent 19th August asking for £1465.00

Fob off letter received 24 August :mad:

LBA letter sent 3 September

MCOL started 12 September

Deemed as served 17 September

Offer of £550 received 18 September :(

(Not accepting, waiting for acknowledgement!)

Acknowledged on 25 September yey! :)

Defended on 8 October

Allocation Questionnaire received 14th October

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i've just realised that i haven't sent a schedule of charges before hand. I thought it was something that i didn't have to worry about until i go to court, and other than their defense stating that i didn't give them that and the court requesting that i do this when i make up my court bumpf, i didn't realise you had to. Have i got it wrong, or does it not really matter till sending the court stuff??

Prem letter sent 19th August asking for £1465.00

Fob off letter received 24 August :mad:

LBA letter sent 3 September

MCOL started 12 September

Deemed as served 17 September

Offer of £550 received 18 September :(

(Not accepting, waiting for acknowledgement!)

Acknowledged on 25 September yey! :)

Defended on 8 October

Allocation Questionnaire received 14th October

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Thanks mumofthreeboys, I am due to do this in my court bundle, so do i send the whole thing? Why is it important until then? I think i've got a bit confused! Can only do it up to today's date on the spreadsheet, is that adequate and do i put that i have completed it to that date??

Prem letter sent 19th August asking for £1465.00

Fob off letter received 24 August :mad:

LBA letter sent 3 September

MCOL started 12 September

Deemed as served 17 September

Offer of £550 received 18 September :(

(Not accepting, waiting for acknowledgement!)

Acknowledged on 25 September yey! :)

Defended on 8 October

Allocation Questionnaire received 14th October

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You're supposed to send a schedule of charges with all the letters you write, so they have a clue as to where you got your figures from.

 

I think you should send a schedule to Barclays as soon as you can.

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thanks tanzarelli, that's what i will do, and going to submit one with the court bundle, court date on 14 March and got to have it in 14 days before, but thought that if i send it now, then they will see that i'm not going to back down and might settle up (chance be a fine thing!!!) When i send it all, do i have to note down that i am asking for the mcol and questionnaire fees that i have incurred, or do they just do that anyway? I think i included asking for it in my claim. Getting scary now, i had grown bored of it as my court date was so far away and now it's almost here!!! Thanks all for your fabulous support and advice x

Prem letter sent 19th August asking for £1465.00

Fob off letter received 24 August :mad:

LBA letter sent 3 September

MCOL started 12 September

Deemed as served 17 September

Offer of £550 received 18 September :(

(Not accepting, waiting for acknowledgement!)

Acknowledged on 25 September yey! :)

Defended on 8 October

Allocation Questionnaire received 14th October

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They will usually add the mcol and aq fees into settlement. Watch out that they don't forget the daily rate of interest as this is a usual trick for most of them. If however they forget to add these then just inform them that the amount needs to include this before you agree to withdraw your claim with the courts. Also wait until money is cleared in your account before letting the court know.

 

Not long now. :-)

 

HTH

 

Tanz

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