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    • Speaking of the reformatory boys, here they are with all of their supporters, some of whom traveled with them from miles away, all carefully crammed together and photographed to look like there were more than about 80 .. rather like Farages last rally with even fewer people crammed around what looked like an ice cream van or mobile tea bar ... Although a number in the crowd apparently thought they were at a vintage car rally as they appeared to be chanting 'crank-her'. A vintage Bentley must be out of view.   Is this all there is? Its less than the Tory candidate. - shut up and smile while they get a camera angle that looks better
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If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate   4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:-   a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement number 756050. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     Thw total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by Firrst class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges ]= 5.  A the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or  alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage.   Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs.   Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024   What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg
    • Now that is an interesting article which adds afew perspective that I hadn't thought significant - but on reflection of the perspectives offered ... Now Starmer is no Blair, however 'blairite he may be perceived, but the Tories aren't tories and aren't even remotely liberal   The fast 'unannounced and unexpected election call from sunack may well be explained by the opinion linked that he hoped reform would be unprepared and effectively call a chunk of Farages largely empty bluster - making him look even more of a prat, leave scope for attacks on shabby reform candidates and mimimise core vote losses to reform - while throwing the 'middle ground' (relative) tories TO THE DOGS - and with the added bonus of likely pacifying his missu' desire to jogg off to sunny cal tout suite somewhat   thumb in the air - I expect about 140ish tory seats, but can hope for under a hundred Reform - got to admit the outside possibility of 1, maybe 2 seats with about 8% of the vote - but unlikely. I think projections of over 10% of the vote for reform is nudged and paid for speculation - but possible with the expected massive drives from Russian, Chinese and far right social media bot and troll prods targeting the gullible.
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I have had my flat for a year I have a pre pay meter. A month ago I came home to find my meter had been changed a letter said to contact scottish power as my meter had been tampered with. I did so and was told there was no problem my meter has just been changed and I would be sent out a new key.

Then today I get a letter saying they were adding a £230 for electricity I had stolen. I contacted thier revenue department and spoke with someone. She said the engineer had changed my meter and made a report that the supply had been bypassed and I was being billed for the esimated electricity I had stolen. They estimated it right back to when I moved in.

I asked why werent the police called as I have no knowledge of it being bypassed. She said we dont do that we just change the meter and bill you for the electricity you have stolen. I said I hadnt stolen any electricity.

She says their engineers report says I have..end of. I said hang on you come out change my meter, dont tell me anything at the time, dont give me any evidence other than our engineer made a report, and on that you accuse me of theft and add £££ to my account. Yes was the answer but you can appeal against it if you want.

There was no manager to speak to and she said to write in with an appeal.

How do I stand here I feel Ive been stitched up. I spoke to my housing assn and they dont get involved in disputes with power companies. She did suggest that perhaps the previous tennant had by passed the supply and reconnected it before I moved in and suggested I ask them to check before I moved in.

 

I am going to write in but the attitude I got when I rang I cant see it doing much.

 

How do I stand has any one else had similar happen.

 

I have just applied to another supplier to take over my supply because I dont want to pay this money, its already onmy key to be taken. Will a change be possible or will whats happened cause problems.

 

Thanks Im really concerned and confused

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Do you have the proof of what you paid onto the key/card of your old meter,receipts etc?

 

Did you take meter reading on entering the flat and have they given you reading on old meter?

 

Did you notify them you were using the meter or was it just continued on from another tenant using the meter?

 

 

I know nowt more than what others learn on here, but just thought these questions may help 'those in the know' to help you xx :)

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When I first moved in they reset the key. At the begining of this year they sent me an estimated bill asking for payment. I contacted them and they said there was no record of me paying any money on the key account. After being passed on a few times my payments were found and I gave them meter readings and the amounts I had paid were correct to the readings so the estimate request was dropped. Then in june I came home to find the meter had been changed.

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The meters are in a communal hallway but in cupboards by each door.

The original letter stuck in the cupboard when the meter was changed just said the meter had been tampered with.

The letter today starts with

United Utilities Revenue Protection Service acting on behalf of your electricity supplier Scottish Power, carried out an inspection of the metering and associated equipment on the 6/6/11. There findings were as follows

Metering equipment bypassed

 

These irregularities mean that the quantity of electricity registered on the meter was less than you were in fact consuming. U URPS hasnow made a calculation of the shorfall, hence the attached bill.

Additional charges of £327 have been debited to your account and be repaid through your prepayment meter.

 

There ia another latter laying out the charge and that they could have disconnected the supply if they had wanted but decieded not to.

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this is disgusting

 

judge jury and executioner!!

 

we have scpttish power on board here at cag

give them a few days

if they have not responded i'd be writing a very strong letter to the CEO and contacting OFGEM

 

ruddy cheek.

 

PROVE IT WAS YOU NOT JUST ASSUME

 

dx

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Heres another idea that might be way off the mark, but any way, are you aware of any major works being done on the property prior to you moving in? If council probably not relevant but if private it has not been unheard of a builder of whoever to bypass the meter to save on costs and then restore it if you know what I mean. Could be case of forgot to restore it.

 

As said could be way off the mark, but if can show large works were carried out, it can be reasonable this was a poss cause.

 

Is the flat private or council?

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but how do I fight it, theyve decieded already Ive stolen it quoting the engineer report, theyve already added it to my account so as soon as I put money on my key they start taking it. From another thread Ive read I cant change supplier when theres a debt so they have got me over a barrell, if I want electricity I have to pay it.

I nkow nothing about electric and meters but I would have thought the actual meter would have shown that electric was being used through it everyday, but I havent even got that anymore as they changed it. So they have an engineer saying I stole it and theres nothing I can do in responce..

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Hi its a housing assn... ive been told it was empty for quite a while before I moved in. The previous tennant never paid water rates etc and I get bills for them all the time in all differant names.

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This is where the scottish power rep can help and hopefully will post. It is the weekend so hopefully they will have read this monday at latest.

 

So try to relax over the weekend as easy as it is to say that and keep your head in here to see what appears.

 

I mean even from common sence I would think if someone is going to bypass a meter they are going to go the whole hog. You have been paying them and would have known there was a risk of a meter reader reporting a poss problem, so again common sence says it can be seen you prehaps had not got a clue that there was a problem.

 

Lets hope they see sence and help you xx

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Hi its a housing assn... ive been told it was empty for quite a while before I moved in. The previous tennant never paid water rates etc and I get bills for them all the time in all differant names.

 

See empty for quite a while private or not means they cannot rule out a third party did it and took advantage of itxx

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just sit tight

 

we'll get it sorted when they come on line

 

if you wish to pm the rep

you are more than welcome

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi there. Were you putting plenty of credit on the meter, as much as you would expect? It's quite common for bypassed meters to be discovered by an incoming occupier, but obviously it's much easier to spot for a PP customer as they have much more contact with their meter than a credit customer.

Did you take a reading when you moved in? It used to be common on old token meters for people to buy a small amount of credit regularly to avoid suspiscion, but obviously that's much more difficult with key meters, as the read goes back every time & the credit would just build up on the meter. If you can show that you are using the same amount now as you were before the meter was changed, that would go in your favour.

Do you know if they are saying the meter was still bypassed at the time it was changed, or that there were signs that it had been & then the bypass removed before you moved in? (& this would be very obvious to the specialist engineers who do this sort of work).

Lastly, you will probably find a very hard attitude from people you deal with in their Revenue Protection team. They are used to dealing with some pretty nasty people & will have "heard it all before". So you may have a hard time, but stick with it, gather as much evidence/information as you can & keep trying. Good luck!

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Just to let you all know the Scottish Power rep has got this sorted for me...

 

Thanks

 

Ok point taken

From the imformation I supplied the SP rep he looked into it for me.

It appears it was obvious that it was the previous tennant but the Revenue people had not bothered to look into that and instead blamed me as the current account holder.

If the SP rep had not taken this on for me I do not know if I would have been able to get the Revenue people to look into it further.

So for anybody in a similar situation who reads the thread I would suggest speaking with the reps.

 

Thanks to anyone that took an intrest in my problem, what did we do before the internet.

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ok

it would be nice if a resume was posted for future readers

 

it is all very well it being sorted

 

but many people come here to read and are afraid to post.

 

leaving a thread with a one liner helps no-one

 

cag is for EVERYONE

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Ok point taken

From the imformation I supplied the SP rep he looked into it for me.

It appears it was obvious that it was the previous tennant but the Revenue people had not bothered to look into that and instead blamed me as the current account holder.

If the SP rep had not taken this on for me I do not know if I would have been able to get the Revenue people to look into it further.

So for anybody in a similar situation who reads the thread I would suggest speaking with the reps.

 

Thanks to anyone that took an interest in my problem, what did we do before the internet.

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