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Hi guys,

 

I wonder if someone can help me.

 

I am self-employed and last year had a tax bill of around £6000. A tax inspector visited my property and put a distraint on my recreational vehicle. During that year I managed to - with the help of CAG - delay removal, thwart the bully-boy baliffs and reduced the debt to £800 by February this year. All of this time the distraint remained on the vehicle.

 

Now that I had a run of contracted work I was able to employ an accountant to assess my tax from the previous year and also file my return for this financial year. She deduced I had been taxed £1800 more than I should have been. This cleared the debt to the HMRC and reduced my latest tax bill to just £600.

 

Work has dried up and I am unable to pay the debt. The bully boys are e-mailing and sending threatening letters demanding that I pay or they will act upon the distraint and seize my vehicle.

 

I have two pertinent questions: i) The distraint was executed in regards to a debt for the tax year 2009, this has now been cleared. Can they still act upon it, for a further debt?

 

ii) The debt is £600 and my vehicle is worth £5500. I read somewhere they could only seize assets that were less than 5x the amount of debt? Am I correct in thinking this?

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It's rare to get HMRC distraint cases on here, so i need to brush up on things before i comment (computer issues allowing!). They have different powers to other bailiffs.

 

But for now:

 

i) Other types of bailiff would NOT be allowed to enforce an old levy / distraint for a 'new' debt. They would have to start from scratch. As i sad, HMRC may be different, i must check.

 

ii) I'm afraid yes they can. Worse still they will likely sell it so cheap, with so many charges added that you would be lucky to see any left over proceeds that you would be due.

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This is going to become a more common issue here imho, as HMRC start chasing the pensioners and PAYE cock-ups from people who have had no interaction with the quagmire that is HMRC., apart from a We have miscalculated your PAYE so you owe £,000's pay within 28 days please

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Ok thanks pimpernel. I feared that the value really had no bearing on whether they could seize or not.

 

As for an old distraint being resurrected for a new debt, I find it curious how they could justify it, if that is indeed the case. Then again as brassnecked alluded to with the PAYE scandal, they really don't have any accountability and thus a free rein to do as they please.

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Hi Guys,

 

During the period that this thread has been active, the HMRC employed baliffs have been phoning and emailing relentlessly. They have now informed me that they will be coming on Friday to remove the vehicle. :|

 

I have searched various sites and other thread but still have yet to receive clarification as to whether they can pursue a new debt by acting upon a distraint for a previous debt, since expunged.

 

Does anyone know? :help:

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I can't find a definitive answer, though like i say, any other bailiff would NOT be able to use an old levy / distraint for a 'new' debt.

 

It's probably also true for a HMRC bailiff.

 

Regardless, they can seize it for the 'new' debt if it is there when / if they come back.

 

Best course of action - hide the car!

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If the previous bill is paid and discharged then any items distrained upon are also now clear. Have they attended again to re-distrain upon your vehicle - which they can do. If not I'm with GP and get the vehicle moved. I assume you have read all sorts but here is another http://www.companyrescue.co.uk/company-rescue/guides/hmrc-distraint-actions . The problem you have is that they know you have this vehicle.

 

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