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    • Speaking of the reformatory boys, here they are with all of their supporters, some of whom traveled with them from miles away, all carefully crammed together and photographed to look like there were more than about 80 .. rather like Farages last rally with even fewer people crammed around what looked like an ice cream van or mobile tea bar ... Although a number in the crowd apparently thought they were at a vintage car rally as they appeared to be chanting 'crank-her'. A vintage Bentley must be out of view.    
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A Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi (200 P S) 4x4 Wildtrack  Double Cab Pickup 3200cc (Sep.2015) Registration No, ******* Chassis number ***************** (“The Vehicle”).  A copy of the agreement is attached   2.  The price of the goods was £15,995.00.  The Initial Rental was £8500.00.  The total charge for credit was £3575.;17 And the balance of £11,070.17 was payable by 59 equal consecutive monthly instalments of £187 63. payable on the 25th of each month.   3.  The following were expressed conditions of the set agreement,   Clause 8: Our Right to End this Agreement  8.1   Subject to sending you the notice as required by law, any of the following events will entitle us to end this Agreement: 8.1.2  You fail to pay the advance payment (if any) or any of the payments as specified on the front page of this agreement or any other sum payable under this Agreement. 8.1.3 If any of the information you have given us before entering into this Agreement or during the term of this Agreement was false 8.1.4 We consider, acting reasonably, that the goods may be in jeopardy or that our rights in the goods may otherwise be prejudiced. 8.1.5 If you die 8.1.6 If a bankruptcy petition is presented against you; if you petition for your own bankruptcy, or make a live arrangement with your creditors or call a meeting of them. 8. 1.7 If in Scotland, you become insolvent or sequestration or a receiver, judicial factor or trustee to be appointed over any of your estate, or effects or suffer an arrestment, charge attachment or other diligence to be issued or levied on any of your estate or effects or suffer any exercise, or threatened exercise of landlords hype hypothec 8.1.8 If you are a partnership, you are dissolved 8.1.9 If the goods are destroyed, lost, stolen and/or treated by the insurer as a total loss in response to an insurance claim. 8.1.10 If we reasonably believe any payment made to us in respect of this Agreement is a proceed of crime. 8.1.11 If steps are taken by us to terminate any other agreement which you have entered into with us.   Clause 9.  Effect of Us Terminating Agreement   9.1 If this Agreement terminates under clause 8 the following will apply 9.1.1 Subject to the rights given to you by law, you will no longer be entitled to possession of the goods and must return them to us to an address as we may reasonably specify, (removing or commencing the removal of any cherished plates) together with a V5 registration certificate, both sets of keys and a service record book. If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate   4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:-   a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement number 756050. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     Thw total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by Firrst class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges ]= 5.  A the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or  alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage.   Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs.   Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024   What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg
    • Now that is an interesting article which adds afew perspective that I hadn't thought significant - but on reflection of the perspectives offered ... Now Starmer is no Blair, however 'blairite he may be perceived, but the Tories aren't tories and aren't even remotely liberal   The fast 'unannounced and unexpected election call from sunack may well be explained by the opinion linked that he hoped reform would be unprepared and effectively call a chunk of Farages largely empty bluster - making him look even more of a prat, leave scope for attacks on shabby reform candidates and mimimise core vote losses to reform - while throwing the 'middle ground' (relative) tories TO THE DOGS - and with the added bonus of likely pacifying his missu' desire to jogg off to sunny cal tout suite somewhat   thumb in the air - I expect about 140ish tory seats, but can hope for under a hundred Reform - got to admit the outside possibility of 1, maybe 2 seats with about 8% of the vote - but unlikely. I think projections of over 10% of the vote for reform is nudged and paid for speculation - but possible with the expected massive drives from Russian, Chinese and far right social media bot and troll prods targeting the gullible.
    • Commentary June 2024 WWW.ELECTORALCALCULUS.CO.UK Interesting article about just how bad it could be for the Tories.  Also Tories could be hoping on Reform not having candidates in many seats, as they were not ready.  
    • Even a Piers Morgan is an improvement and a gutless Farage Piers Morgan calls for second Brexit referendum WWW.THELONDONECONOMIC.COM Piers Morgan and Nigel Farage have faced off over Brexit and a second referendum in a heated reunion on BBC Question Time.   “Why don’t we have another referendum about Brexit?” he questioned. “I seem to remember when 2016 came around we were told there was going to be control of our borders and it was going to be economically beneficial to this country. And eight years later we have lost complete control of our borders… and economically it seems to have been a wilful act of self-harm.”   ... Piers missed off : after all somebody said a 48/52 decision would be "unfinished business" by a long way - was that person just bul lying (again)  
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Your experience with the Mock Interview is not surprising.

 

The "Refer to Boost" is part of Ingeus Every Day Counts Model, a diagram appears on http://ingeusstaff.co.uk/diagram

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Could hardly contain my excitement reading through that. Sounds like more of the same rubbish, only more often and more painful. It does seem like a patronising and demeaning exercise, especially when you consider the state of the current labour market. I can also imagine it meaning making people apply for a load of irrelevant and unsuitable jobs (with the threat of sanctions), just so they increase their chances of claiming their taxpayer-funded reward if you get lucky (or unlucky) enough to land one. Even one of their advisers admitted that the national average for applicants per vacancy was over 200.

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Could hardly contain my excitement reading through that. Sounds like more of the same rubbish, only more often and more painful. It does seem like a patronising and demeaning exercise, especially when you consider the state of the current labour market. I can also imagine it meaning making people apply for a load of irrelevant and unsuitable jobs (with the threat of sanctions), just so they increase their chances of claiming their taxpayer-funded reward if you get lucky (or unlucky) enough to land one. Even one of their advisers admitted that the national average for applicants per vacancy was over 200.

There is something worse and insidious about the Welfare To Work Sector.... Clerks who are lucky enough to have secured employment as W2W Clerks (being unqualified for working in even a Call Centre) frequently eschew the belief (through written information, individual and group meetings) that they wish to "help" the unemployed "overcome their barriers towards securing sustainable employment".

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Hi just a bit of advise i wrote on here the other day about my 104 weeks being up and still getting hassled by the idiots at injeus/dump..i am tootaly ****ed off today due to the fact i wasnt feeling well due to a mass migraine/sickness i had a family member phone them up to tell them i was going to miss an lousy appointment today due to being ill, then the pratt asks to speak to me,when im clearly not well...idiot...then when i finally go on the phone after feeling crap going on it, he starts going on about me having to ring the jobcentre up and telling them to fill out a form and that they will send off one also..whats all this about now ?

 

im only going to be off sick a few days and ive got to fo all this hassle ringing 0845 numbers and the like..what the hell ? all over missing a pathethic appointment.

 

Any advise guys has im feeling im being took the **** a bit..not only over this sick thing but also not being notified by the jobcentre about my 104 weeks being up and im still on injeus books..i think they arent communicating or somthing or another law has come in and im in a differnet location to the rest of the Uk that its now 112 weeks or somthing.

 

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@ johnny555...

 

You really need to speak with your Job Cente, I'm guessing you attend the Preston Branch? They will be able to tell you when your 104 weeks are up, or when you are due to end...

 

You shouldn't be at Ingeus if your 104 weeks are up! When i finished my sentence i received a letter in the post stating i would be referred back to my Job Centre...In other words....GO AWAY....You've made us no money!!! lol

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Hi just a bit of advise i wrote on here the other day about my 104 weeks being up and still getting hassled by the idiots at injeus/dump..i am tootaly ****ed off today due to the fact i wasnt feeling well due to a mass migraine/sickness i had a family member phone them up to tell them i was going to miss an lousy appointment today due to being ill, then the pratt asks to speak to me,when im clearly not well...idiot...then when i finally go on the phone after feeling crap going on it, he starts going on about me having to ring the jobcentre up and telling them to fill out a form and that they will send off one also..whats all this about now ?

 

You'll want to fill in a JSA-28 for the Job Centre records (see attached), this can be used as "just cause" should the provider try to raise a sanction for failing to attend their appointment.

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Thanks for reply..yes its mad how im still get hassled by them i havent even had a exit review just the little runt saying its now 2 years and you should have all the skills to do the job search on your own but i didnt have any kind of exit review in the way ive read you have, just more hassle with trying to put me into security jobs miles away that i cant get to having no car. The last few times ive been there on a stupid waste of time appointments he's just left me hanging with no appointment card just see yah and thats it, then out of the blue a ****ty letter of him telling me i have to go again and its mandotory, i just see it has a waste of my time.

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Thanks Mr P for the PDF file so i fill it in and send it to my local Jobcentre? even if im well before i sign on next Tuesaday ? I did try to ring them but i had no answer besides i hate ringing that BS 0845 number

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If your WP appointment was "mandatory" (i.e. You had a letter, not a text, email, or phone call to say you must attend), then I'd recommend filling in the JSA28 and posting it to your local JCP. Keep a copy for your own records, and if the WP provider tries to hit you with a Failure To Attend sanction, you have some defence.

If you are well enough to attend your regular signing on appointment at the JCP, all well and good - You have covered your back.

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If your WP appointment was "mandatory" (i.e. You had a letter, not a text, email, or phone call to say you must attend), then I'd recommend filling in the JSA28 and posting it to your local JCP. Keep a copy for your own records, and if the WP provider tries to hit you with a Failure To Attend sanction, you have some defence.

If you are well enough to attend your regular signing on appointment at the JCP, all well and good - You have covered your back.

 

Thanks for reply, i phoned them up and theyyre sending me the form out il scan it and send it back, she seemed cool, unlike those idiots at Injeus, i so hate that place.

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Hi just a bit of advise i wrote on here the other day about my 104 weeks being up and still getting hassled by the idiots at injeus/dump..i am tootaly ****ed off today due to the fact i wasnt feeling well due to a mass migraine/sickness i had a family member phone them up to tell them i was going to miss an lousy appointment today due to being ill, then the pratt asks to speak to me,when im clearly not well...idiot...then when i finally go on the phone after feeling crap going on it, he starts going on about me having to ring the jobcentre up and telling them to fill out a form and that they will send off one also..whats all this about now ?

 

im only going to be off sick a few days and ive got to fo all this hassle ringing 0845 numbers and the like..what the hell ? all over missing a pathethic appointment.

 

Any advise guys has im feeling im being took the **** a bit..not only over this sick thing but also not being notified by the jobcentre about my 104 weeks being up and im still on injeus books..i think they arent communicating or somthing or another law has come in and im in a differnet location to the rest of the Uk that its now 112 weeks or somthing.

 

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You should be able to contact your local JCP and ask them to inform you when your two years is up. It's worth doing so you can get this Ingeus runt off your back, hopefully sooner rather than later.

 

I was asked to keep a diary of my job search this week. It's like being back at school, only more patronising. I've only been on this damn programme for 4 or 5 weeks now, but I'm getting fed up of being mandated to attend pointless courses or my adviser trying to sub me for jobs I'm not interested in. I noticed something today though. For my appointment tomorrow, I haven't been mandated to attend. Ah, the temptation not to turn up...

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I was asked to keep a diary of my job search this week. It's like being back at school, only more patronising.

 

Yup. Had that myself. Would use initials & abbreviations for company names - Got told "we need more detail", so I started logging time spent on the loo as well as every nauseating detail of my daily job search. Then it was "we want a typed log", phhhtttt.

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You should be able to contact your local JCP and ask them to inform you when your two years is up. It's worth doing so you can get this Ingeus runt off your back, hopefully sooner rather than later.

 

I was asked to keep a diary of my job search this week. It's like being back at school, only more patronising. I've only been on this damn programme for 4 or 5 weeks now, but I'm getting fed up of being mandated to attend pointless courses or my adviser trying to sub me for jobs I'm not interested in. I noticed something today though. For my appointment tomorrow, I haven't been mandated to attend. Ah, the temptation not to turn up...

 

ye im going to ask the job centre because im sure i shouldnt be going back, im so sick of him doing the same thing each time aswell throwing random jobs at me its quite anoyeing, its all they care about is hitting there sales targets and has im at the end they are trying it more.

 

As for the letter not having mandated on, i wouldnt fall for it, they are upto some sly games lately.

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You should be able to contact your local JCP and ask them to inform you when your two years is up. It's worth doing so you can get this Ingeus runt off your back, hopefully sooner rather than later.

 

I was asked to keep a diary of my job search this week. It's like being back at school, only more patronising. I've only been on this damn programme for 4 or 5 weeks now, but I'm getting fed up of being mandated to attend pointless courses or my adviser trying to sub me for jobs I'm not interested in. I noticed something today though. For my appointment tomorrow, I haven't been mandated to attend. Ah, the temptation not to turn up...

If the appointment is not mandated, and is optional, then it is entirely your choice and discretion as to whether you wish to indulge such an optimal request for your attendance.

 

Yup. Had that myself. Would use initials & abbreviations for company names - Got told "we need more detail", so I started logging time spent on the loo as well as every nauseating detail of my daily job search. Then it was "we want a typed log", phhhtttt.

It should be sufficient for you to provide a Job Diary which, on the one hand JCP Accepts when you sign on (and therefore validates your continuing compliance with the Job Seekers Agreement), and as a minimal requirement specifies {date, source of vacancy, company name, job title, method of application}, and should therefore be accepted by a Welfare To Work Clerk employed within Ingeus. However, it sounds as if the W2W Clerk that you have met, who insists on a "typed log", simply enjoys wielding power - unless an activity is backed up by a Mandatory Activity Notification, it remains your choice as to whether you wish to indulge such a demand, or whether you deliver something which you know JCP has accepted previously.

 

Plus, of course, there is no specific legislative enabler which could result in you providing any confidential information on any vacancy that you have applied for (such as names of individuals, telephone numbers) which would be at conflict with Data Protection Legislation.

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Plus, of course, there is no specific legislative enabler which could result in you providing any confidential information on any vacancy that you have applied for (such as names of individuals, telephone numbers) which would be at conflict with Data Protection Legislation.

 

A long time ago, I did have some JCP "adviser" telling me that if they asked (nay, demanded) copies of letters to/from a prospective employer, I would have to produce them - Asked at the time how this demand could be reconciled with the Data Protection Act and personal privacy..... Never got an answer.

 

As for the harpie demanding a typed log - She threw her toys out of the pram that day and had a hissy fit, that was the last I ever saw of her. I don't do child care, and I have no intention of going back to change her nappies and/or wipe her snotty little nose.

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I also got a pimp log but I recycled it

I am not into copying the same info repeatedly to please pimps

The jobcentre book was good enough for both

I only got a log near the end

The whole ethos behind this stupid scheme seems to be about treating everyone like kids

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I fill in my job log in fine detail and also in TINY writing. They barely glance at it - they seem to only be checking that you've actually filled the damn thing in, which is why I always tell people to try and fill the form as fully as they can. If the log has space for 5 vacancies then put 5, even if your JS Agreement says you only have to put 3. Appearance is everything; the JC sees a fully completed form and that's enough. Definitely a case of 'quantity over quality'.

 

If I'm feeling mischievious I'll ask the clerk to read it through fully and go onto the Reed/CV-Library website to confirm the vacancies exist...never had one clerk do this yet though, and as they only have 4 minutes allowed to see anyone they're not likely to either. It throws them totally when you ask them to check your jobsearch - they're usually expecting people to avoid any mention of it.

 

The jobsearch diary you show to the DWP is also perfectly valid with the WP too. If the JC have accepted your jobsearch as meeting requirements then don't let the WP tell you that you're not doing enough. There's no rule at all that says you have to submit written evidence in typed form either - they're talking b*llocks, give 'em pen and paper!

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I remember one visit to the job centre when the desk clerk asked me about something which I had covered fully on my job search record.

 

I pointed this out to him and he said 'I didn't look at it' so I just smiled sweetly and said 'It's lucky I haven't got my recording device running today isn't it?'

 

I've never seen anyone go from calm to all red and flustered - in the manner of Cameron - in such a short space of time and he seemed to view me somewhat wearily after that.

 

Happy days...

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If the appointment is not mandated, and is optional, then it is entirely your choice and discretion as to whether you wish to indulge such an optimal request for your attendance.

 

It was that "refer to boost" appointment. It wasn't mandated but I turned up anyway to stop any hassle from them or the job centre. Never bothered filling in a job search record because I do that for JCP.

 

Anyway, now I am in "boost", I'm expected to send out at least 40 speculative letters per week and then chase them up with phone calls. No chance. I also get to experience the fun of doing a weekly job search with my advisor. This is to offer me "help" with filling in an application form online. I'm more than capable of doing that task myself!

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It was that "refer to boost" appointment. It wasn't mandated but I turned up anyway to stop any hassle from them or the job centre. Never bothered filling in a job search record because I do that for JCP.

 

Anyway, now I am in "boost", I'm expected to send out at least 40 speculative letters per week and then chase them up with phone calls. No chance. I also get to experience the fun of doing a weekly job search with my advisor. This is to offer me "help" with filling in an application form online. I'm more than capable of doing that task myself!

Although the appointments may be mandatory, each activity requires a Mandatory Activity Notification to be issued....if JCP is happy with your Job Search Activity, then the stipulation that you send out 40 spec applications per week can easily be accommodated by email (to either employers, or via agencies). However, following up represents a complication - the majority of employers notify candidates that any "canvassing" will lead to automatic failure.

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Although the appointments may be mandatory, each activity requires a Mandatory Activity Notification to be issued....if JCP is happy with your Job Search Activity, then the stipulation that you send out 40 spec applications per week can easily be accommodated by email (to either employers, or via agencies). However, following up represents a complication - the majority of employers notify candidates that any "canvassing" will lead to automatic failure.

 

I find the 40 to be excessive anyway. Living in a post-industrial town, you can either work for Aldi, Lidl, Morrisons, Tesco, Asda, B & M, McDonald's, Burger King... (you get the idea!) It's not exactly a hotbed of good, well-paid employment. Well, the number of cold calls the house gets per day drives me crazy. I would imagine employers being in the same boat. I have no intention of pestering potential employers with "follow up" phone calls for that reason, and your reason.

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I have no intention of pestering potential employers with "follow up" phone calls for that reason, and your reason.

 

My argument has always been that such activity could be construed as harassment and thus a criminal offence under at least two pieces of legislation - This is also the view I take with these so called "telesales" jobs.

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My argument has always been that such activity could be construed as harassment and thus a criminal offence under at least two pieces of legislation - This is also the view I take with these so called "telesales" jobs.

 

Certainly. If any employers were interested after receiving a speculative letter, then I'm sure they would contact you for further information. Chasing up the result of sending such a letter may be seen as an act of desperation or even "harassment". Like I've pointed out, I hate being at home and receiving 3, 4 maybe even 5 "cold calls" a day. It's irritating and I'm certainly not going to behave like a hypocrite by pestering employers about speculative letters I've been made to send.

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They claim that chasing it up shows an interest, that you are keen etc

I tried chasing up an interview and the person who contacted me knew nothing about it, a job where the person never phoned back so I'm thinking she has terrible skills and how she'd ever get employed

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Does the JC and WP honestly expect any employer to remember every person who applied for a vacancy, considering the supposed average number of applications is around 200 per job?? Plus how long are they supposed to remember you for..a week, a month, a year?

 

If an employer wants me, they'll contact me. If they don't, though the odd one might genuinely keep my cv on record for a while, the vast majority will simply bin it and forget me in 10 seconds - that's exactly what I'd do if I was an employer. Absolutely no point in contacting them again; it's a buyer's market and they didn't choose me this time. End of.

 

If the JC want 'feedback' then maybe they should make it a condition of advertising with them that all employers must promise to contact all applicants and give them a detailed account of why their application failed. Can't see this happening.

 

Also, especially in Local Government jobs, asking for feedback is classed as 'canvassing' and will automatically disqualify you from the vacancy. I had an Ingeus adviser tell me to check on how my application with the local Housing Dept was going and I said 'If I did that I'd have to report you for deliberately sabotaging my job-hunting, would you like that?'

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