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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Hello all,

 

I had gone on a night out wuith some colleagues from work, the friday just gone (28th) and towards the end of the night, a friend of mine was very ill (alchol related). It seemed to hit him when we stepped outside. He was in no ability to stand up nor communicate clearly. He was a wreck. I took it upon myself to get him home. I knew his address by luck, it was printed on his driving license.

 

I tried to call a taxi but all that arrived would not take me due to the state of my friend. I dont blame them. One gentlemen did, however, and luckily he had a minibus taxi. He looked at him and listened to my urge that he HAD to get home. I'd pay if any mess was made to his taxi. He seemed a genuine man - he helped me carry my friend into the taxi, where he was slumped on the floor. I told him we needed to go via a cash point, to pay for the ride. The driver agreed and we stopped at a local sainsburys supermarket.

 

My friend was being really ill. He was choking and small amounts of vomit were coming up. I'm a nurse, and took care of him on the floor of the taxi (you know, recovery position, airway presevation etc). The driver came round and I asked him how much i'd need. The fare would be £20, plus £30 fee for the mess that was now being made. I accepted this, and requested the driver take the money out of my account for me.

 

I know, this was MADNESS but i was stuck. I didnt want to leave my friend for fear he choke...and the driver seemed genuine and even MY judgement was clouded by the night out.

 

Long story short, we got my friend home. I phoned my telephone bank to check...as id now sobered up a little and panicked that ive given a stranger my bank card.

 

He'd taken £100 out my account. Sh!t...

 

I know im screwed here, but is there anything i can do? I'm aware i dont know his taxi number, nor his name or vehicle reg - and to make matters worse he wasnt a booked driver. All i know is the entry on my bank statement.

 

What, if anything, can i do.

 

Thankyou for reading.

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I think the only thing you can do is report the incident to the police.

 

However, with no details about the driver, there may be little they can do. Worth a try though, there may be CCTV at the supermarket?

 

I guess your bank will take a dim view at the fact you gave the cabby your card!

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I think the only thing you can do is report the incident to the police.

This may sound silly, but, how? Ive never had any experience with this. Do i just walk into my local police station, and say what?

 

However, with no details about the driver, there may be little they can do. Worth a try though, there may be CCTV at the supermarket?

I know there is some pretty heft CCTV for the city that looks down on the car park from a nearby high rise building. I know this because i used to work at this very supermarket as a student. They could follow shoplifters out of the store and accross the carpark etc.

 

But, would the police really rewind cctv for such a silly, low rated crime?

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Hey,

 

You can visit the local police station to report it, or call the non emergency number. This number can be found on your local force's website.

 

As for the CCTV, the police will seek evidence when conducting their investigations. However there probably is no harm in asking whoever owns the CCTV if they would have coverage of the area etc

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Cancel the card with the bank and ask for a new card and new pin. Tell the police but do not expect to get anything other than a crime reference number. It would be your word against his.

 

You did give him the card and number after all didn't you!!!!

 

Lesson learnt!!

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Giving the cab driver the card and number would not negative his liability for theft, or any other liability for that matter.

 

However as you say - it would be a case of his word agianst the OP's, unless the OP can obtain proof that the £100 was withdrawn from the specific cash machine at that time.

 

The biggest difficulty would be finding the cab driver.

 

I would still report it, at least it's recorded that way.

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I suspect that even if the driver was traced, he would simply say that the £100 was what was agreed between him and a drunk for having another drunk vomiting in his taxi.

 

I doubt the illness angle will help either - if he was that bad you'd have called an ambulance or taken him to ED.

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Hi Mighty mouse. Agreed it is still theft but - it is proving it.

We all know it was wrong what the driver did and he should be brought to 'book' but it just isn't going to happen unless he admits it. He took more than he was supposed to so why would he admit it, even if you could trace him.

I think a lot of cash machines have cameras these days. You could ask the police to request an image from the bank/ cash machine owner.

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Hi Mighty mouse. Agreed it is still theft but - it is proving it.

We all know it was wrong what the driver did and he should be brought to 'book' but it just isn't going to happen unless he admits it. He took more than he was supposed to so why would he admit it, even if you could trace him.

I think a lot of cash machines have cameras these days. You could ask the police to request an image from the bank/ cash machine owner.

 

Agreed.

 

What happened was wrong - but it will be hard to bring the cab driver to book.

 

I think the best advice therefore is to contact police and let them do their "stuff".

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I can't believe than anyone would be stupid enough, even under the influence, to give their card and pin to a complete stranger.

Is it April 1st again already.

Hey, thanks for your understanding and help there. Much appriciated... Obviously, you never make silly mistakes. If only i could live up to your standards.[/sarcasm]

 

Thanks to everyone else for their advice. I'm pretty sure its a lost cause anyway, and as sombody said - lesson learnt. heh..

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Hey, thanks for your understanding and help there. Much appriciated... Obviously, you never make silly mistakes. If only i could live up to your standards.[/sarcasm]

 

Thanks to everyone else for their advice. I'm pretty sure its a lost cause anyway, and as sombody said - lesson learnt. heh..

 

 

I'm not religious but 'there but for the grace of god go I" Should that be a capital G in god?!

 

I wish I hadn't done silly things in the past.

 

All the best for your good an honourable intentions though

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Just checked taxis near me charge seventy pounds cleaning fee if sick in cab, pretty standard fee apparantly. Is it possible the fair was thirty and the fee seventy making one hundred. You said you were drunk after all.

 

Just an idea xx

 

ps, How about asking your friend to chip in for you helping him out xx

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Considering what Loopinlouie said, as long as you are sure that the driver took too much money, i would still make a complaint to the police.

 

No matter if you think that it will not yeild any results for you... it could just help stop it happening again to someone else.

 

All the best.

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Apparantly its so high as to cover the cost of obviously cleaning and loss of earnings. As peed I am that you got stuck with the predicamant, how much would we charge to clean our cars if smells of well you know, I bet it would cost a bit of time at least.

 

Sorry but I think next time your mate should stay on the fruit juice but you are obviously a nice friend, he needs a telling off, but thats your business, take care xx

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I felt guilty the time I went to take a sample of my fish tank to the pet shop to get it tested for my new fishies. I couldnt find a lid and used masking tape to cover the top temporarily, went over road bump and it jumped out all over seat. Got out the cab after my clothes absorbed all the water and looked like I had peed myself.

 

Reassured taxi driver it was just water and apologised, but imagine the horror on the poor mans face.

 

The seat was only slightly wet and I tipped him well and as it was peeing it down outside I got away with it.

 

Then rather uncomfortably did a shop in tesco hoping the security guard did not think I was incontinent at that very moment, I was wearing jeans, ooohhhh xxxxx

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Same here got test kit now, as you will be aware couple of week old water with friendly bacteria, smells a bit suspcious :Dxx

 

Wouldnt mind but due to fits it does happen to me a lot and I normally hide it by being at home and the time in a taxi it was only water, but I thought everyone must think she has, well I would have wondered if I walked by, so funny glances were forgiven.

 

Thank heavens for tenna lady xx

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Which, arguably was a mistake!

 

I feel sure that someone intelligent enough to qualify as a nurse is capable of understanding that drinking alcohol in sufficient quantity will lead to intoxication, so the purchase and consumption must have been deliberate. Failing to recognise when you've had enough could, I suppose, be considered an error of judgement. :D

 

Are we here to ponder upon the sillyness of the OPs actions?!

 

No pondering needed; the silliness of the actions is plain to see. We must consider it, though, since it is fundamental to the issue.

 

I see the aftermath of enough alcohol-related dramas to have lost all sympathy, I fear.

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