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    • Thank you for your responses. As requested, some more detail. Please forgive, I'm writing this on my phone which always makes for less than perfect grammar. My Dad tries but English not his 1st language, i'm born and bred in England, a qualified accountant and i often help him with his admin. On this occasion I helped my dad put in his renewal driving licence application around 6 weeks before expiry and with it the disclosure of his sleep apnoea. Once the licence expired I told him to get in touch with his GP, because the DVLA were offering only radio silence at that time (excuses of backlogs When I called to chase up). The GP charged £30 for an opinion letter on his ability to drive based on his medical history- at the time I didn't take a copy of the letter, but I am hoping this will be key evidence that we can rely on as to why s88 applies because in the GP opinion they saw no reason he couldn't drive i need to see the letter again as im going only on memory- we forwarded the letter in a chase up / complaint to the DVLA.  In December, everything went quiet RE the sleep apnoea (i presume his GP had given assurance) but the DVLA noticed there had been a 2nd medical issue in the past, when my father suffered a one off mini stroke 3 years prior. That condition had long been resolved via an operation (on his brain of all places, it was a scary time, but he came through unscathed) and he's never had an issue since. We were able to respond to that query very promptly (within the 14 days) and the next communication was the licence being granted 2 months later. DVLA have been very slow in responding every step of the way.  I realise by not disclosing the mini stroke at the time, and again on renewal (had I known I'd have encouraged it) he was potentially committing an offence, however that is not relevant to the current charge being levied, which is that he was unable to rely on s88 because of a current medical issue (not one that had been resolved). I could be wrong, I'm not a legal expert! The letter is a summons I believe because its a speeding offence (59 in a temp roadworks 50 limit on the A1, ironically whist driving up to visit me). We pleaded guilty to the speeding but not guilty to the s87.  DVLA always confirmed to me on the phone that the licence had not been revoked and that he "May" be able to continue to drive. They also confirmed in writing, but the letter explains the DVLA offer no opinion on the matter and that its up to the driver to seek legal advice. I'll take the advice to contact DVLA medical group. I'm going to contact the GP to make sure they received the SAR request for data, and make it clear we need to see a copy of the opinion letter. In terms of whether to continue to fight this, or to continue with the defence, do we have any idea of the potential consequences of either option? Thanks all
    • stopping payments until a DN arrives does not equal automatic sale to a DCA...if you resume payments after the DN.  
    • Sleep apnoea: used to require the condition  to be “completely” controlled Sometime before June 2013 DVLA changed it to "adequately" controlled. I have to disagree with MitM regarding the effect of informing DVLA and S.88 A diagnosis of sleep apnoea doesn't mean a licence wont be granted, and, indeed, here it was. If the father sought medical advice (did he?) : this is precisely where S.88 applies https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/64edcf3a13ae1500116e2f5d/inf1886-can-i-drive-while-my-application-is-with-dvla.pdf p.4 for “new medical condition” It is shakier ground if the opinion of a healthcare professional wasn’t sought. in that case it is on the driver to state they believed they met the medical standard to drive. However, the fact the licence was then later granted can be used to be persuasive that the driver’s belief they met the standard was correct. What was the other condition? And, just to confirm, at no point did DVLA say the licence was revoked / application refused? I’d be asking DVLA Drivers’ Medical Group why they believe S.88 doesn’t apply. S.88 only applies for the UK, incidentally. If your licence has expired and you meet the conditions for S.88 you can drive in the U.K., but not outside the U.K. 
    • So you think not pay until DN then pay something to the oc to delay selling to dcas?    then go from there? 
    • think about it, if you don't pay the full amount, what more can they do , default you  they've already registered a default notice by that point.  why have you got to await sale to a DCA.... for what?  
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Booky, does love the word 'Condom' and it impication(s) LOL?

 

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Do I? Ok, if you say so... *

 

Whymsical comment Booky:)

Lighten up a bit!

OooOOOh, it was a JOKE!!! Ah ah ah...

 

 

... I still don't get it. :-?

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Sorry, but the pope cannot be responsible for the actions of every priest in the whole world.

 

He is facing up to this issue far more than his predecessors, and I for one think we now have the most wonderful Cardinal Archbishop of Westminster who again is facing up to the whole priest scandal.

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But the matter of systematic rape and subsequent endemic AIDS infections is a matter of record.

 

I don't disagree with you, but systematic rapists are hardly likely to have morals enough of any kind to not wear a condom because the Pope says it's wrong.

Before you criticise another man you should first walk a mile in his shoes. Then, when you criticise him, you'll be a mile away and he won't have any shoes on.

 

Don't get me confused with somebody knowledgeable by all those green blobs. I got most of them by making people laugh.

 

I am not European, I am English.

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That little episode still makes me think and I doubt that I'll ever fully understand the significance of religion in some people's lives.

 

That's why I find it so hard to understand why people can't say "sod the Pope, I'm using a condom". Perhaps Bookie is right, much as I hate to say it.

 

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"sod the Pope, I'm using a condom"... well, that's only wise, you don't know where he's been before. :-D

 

Joking aside, remember that during the Holocaust, Jews would die of starvation rather than eat pork. It took rabbis to give them special dispensation for that taboo to get - reluctantly - overriden. In India, people will watch one of the Untouchable caste die in front of their eyes and not reach out, even if completely within their means. And of course, don't forget all these people who were, are and will be willing to die in the name of Christ, Allah, Jehovah or Buddha (ok, the Buddha ones not so much, lol). But actually, Buddha... all life is sacred, right? So the cows can't be touched because they're sacred, whilst children die of malnutrition.

 

No, I don't get it either. :-(

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I don't disagree with you, but systematic rapists are hardly likely to have morals enough of any kind to not wear a condom because the Pope says it's wrong.
LOL, no I know that, never said that either, but it's the chain of events it provokes. If (yes, AC, my favourite word again :rolleyes:) the husband of the raped woman wore a condom, even if she dies later on, he won't then pass it on to the next woman he has sex with. If the infected children survive and go on to get married and have sex, using condoms ensures that they in turn won't spread the disease that way.

 

Tackling AIDS, one d*ck at the time, if you'll forgive the expression. ;-)

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How do we determine "Truth" and "Fact" when we can manufacture either?

 

Where do you go when there's nowhere to go, and you don't want to be where you are?

 

 

If all else fails, kick them where it hurts and SOD'EM;)

 

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All in the name of God.

 

Afghanistan:……Extreme, radical Fundamentalist Muslim terrorist groups, non-Muslims. Osama bin Laden heads a terrorist group called Al Quada (The Source) whose headquarters were in Afghanistan. They were protected by, and integrated with, the Taliban dictatorship in the country. The Northern Alliance of rebel Afghans, Britain and the U.S. attacked the Taliban and Al Quada, establishing a new regime in part of the country. The fighting continues.

 

Bosnia:……Serbian Orthodox Christians, Roman Catholic), Muslims. Fragile peace is holding, due only to the presence of peacekeepers.

 

Côte d’Ivoire:……Muslims, Indigenous, Christian. Following the elections in late 2000, government security forces “began targeting civilians solely and explicitly on the basis of their religion, ethnic group, or national origin. The overwhelming majority of victims come from the largely Muslim north of the country, or are immigrants or the descendants of immigrants…”

A military uprising continued the slaughter in 2002.

 

Cyprus:……Christians, Muslims. The island is partitioned,creating enclaves for ethnic Greeks (Christians) and Turks (Muslims). A UN peace keeping force is maintaining stability.

 

East Timor:……Christians, Muslims. A Roman Catholic country. About 20% of the population died by murder, starvation or disease after they were forcibly annexed by Indonesia (mainly Muslim). After voting for independence, many Christians were exterminated or exiled by the Indonesian army and army-funded militias in a carefully planned program of genocide and religious cleansing. The situation is now stable.

 

India:……Animists, Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs. Various conflicts that heat up periodically producing loss of life.

 

Indonesia, province of Ambon:……Christians, Muslims. After centuries of relative peace, conflicts between Christians and Muslims started during 1999-JUL in this province of Indonesia. The situation now appears to be stable.

 

Iraq:……Kurds, Shiite Muslims, Sunni Muslims, western armed forces. By mid-2006, a small scale civil war, primarily between Shiite and Sunni Muslims started. The situation appears to be steadily degenerating.

 

Kashmir:……Hindus, Muslims. A chronically unstable region of the world, claimed by both Pakistan and India. The availability of nuclear weapons and the eagerness to use them are destabilizing the region further. More details Thirty to sixty thousand people have died since 1989.

 

Kosovo:……Serbian Orthodox Christians, Muslims. Peace enforced by NATO peacekeepers. There is convincing evidence of past mass murder by Yugoslavian government (mainly Serbian Orthodox Christians) against ethnic Albanians (mostly Muslim).

 

Kurdistan:……Christians, Muslims. Assaults on Christians (Protestant, Chaldean Catholic, Assyrian Orthodox).

 

Macedonia:……Macedonian Orthodox Christians, Muslims. Muslims (often referred to as ethnic Albanians) engaged in a civil war with the rest of the country who are primarily Macedonian Orthodox Christians. A peace treaty has been signed. Disarmament by NATO is complete.

 

Middle East:……Jews, Muslims, Christians. The peace process between Israel and Palestine suffered a complete breakdown. This has resulted in the deaths of thousands, in the ratio of three dead for each Jew. Major strife broke out in 2000-SEP. Major battle in Lebanon during mid-2006. No resolution appears possible.

 

Nigeria:……Christians, Animists, Muslims. Yourubas and Christians in the south of the country are battling Muslims in the north. Country is struggling towards democracy after decades of Muslim military dictatorships.

 

Northern Ireland:……Protestants, Catholics. After 3,600 killings and assassinations over 30 years, some progress has been made in the form of a ceasefire and an independent status for the country.

 

Pakistan:……Suni, Shi’ite Muslims. Low level mutual attacks.

 

Philippines:……Christians, Muslims. A low level conflict between the mainly Christian central government and Muslims in the south of the country has continued for centuries.

 

Russia,Chechnya:……Russian Orthodox Christians, Muslims. The Russian army attacked the breakaway region. Many atrocities have been alleged on both sides. According to the Voice of the Martyrs: “In January 2002 Chechen rebels included all Christians on their list of official enemies, vowing to ‘blow up every church and mission-related facility in Russia’.”

 

South Africa:……Animists, “Witches”. Hundreds of persons, suspected and accused of witches practicing black magic, are murdered each year.

 

Sri Lanka:……Buddhists, Hindus. Tamils (a mainly Hindu 18% minority) are involved in a war for independence since 1983 with the rest of the country (70% Sinhalese Buddhist). Hundreds of thousands have been killed. The conflict took a sudden change for the better in 2002-SEP, when the Tamils dropped their demand for complete independence. The South Asian Tsunami in 2004-DEC induced some cooperation. The situation in mid-2006 is degenerating.

 

Sudan:……Animists, Christians, Muslims. Complex ethnic, racial, religious conflict in which the Muslim regime committed genocide against both Animists and Christians in the south of the country. Slavery and near slavery were practiced. A ceasefire was signed in 2006-MAY between some of the combatants. Warfare continues in the Darfur region, primarily between a Muslim militia and Muslim inhabitants.

 

Thailand:……Buddhists, Muslims. Muslim rebels have been involved in a bloody insurgency in southern Thailand — a country that is 95% Buddhist. The army has seized power and has agreed to talks with the rebels.

 

Tibet:……Buddhists, Communists. Country was annexed by Chinese Communists in late 1950′s. Brutal suppression of Buddhism continues.

 

Uganda:…. Animists, Christians, Muslims. Christian rebels of the Lord’s Resistance Army are conducting a civil war in the north of Uganda. Their goal is a Christian theocracy whose laws are based on the Ten Commandments. They abduct, enslave and/or raped about 2,000 children a year.

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It is now generally accepted that HIV is a descendant of a Simian Immunodeficiency Virus because certain strains of SIVs bear a very close resemblance to HIV-1 and HIV-2, the two types of HIV.

 

HIV-2 for example corresponds to SIVsm, a strain of the Simian Immunodeficiency Virus found in the sooty mangabey (also known as the White-collared monkey), which is indigenous to western Africa.

 

The more virulent, pandemic strain of HIV, namely HIV-1, was until recently more difficult to place. Until 1999, the closest counterpart that had been identified was SIVcpz, the SIV found in chimpanzees. However, this virus still had certain significant differences from HIV.

 

A very good reason to NOT have un protected sex with a ****ing ape!

 

 

 

WHAT WENT WRONG WITH THE QUOTE TOOL? I CAN USE IT HONRST GOV

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You need to insert the quote BETWEEN the 2
, dumbass! :razz:

 

 

Now now Bookie. You know it's not nice to post derogatory remarks about another forum member:mad:.

 

Even if she did put the dum in wisdum.

 

:D

 

 

If all else fails, kick them where it hurts and SOD'EM;)

 

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Oh no, I choked at the hilarity :p

 

Bookie, the trouble wiv quotin is tha cretin (sp) don put fer txt btwn tha whatsitmahijibamn thingies...

Yes dear. Time for your medication, I think. :razz:

 

sod'em, it's only derago.. dorega.. drego... rude if it's not true. :-D

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Oh, just another thought:

 

I've never seen one of these UK women who has an enormous number of children, gets an enormous house, demands an even bigger one, and gets so much money in benefits that they can afford four wide-screen televisions, wiis, gameboys, and so on, say that she has all these children because she can't use contraception because she's "a practising Catholic".

 

Neither, have I!

 

All the Roman Catholic families that I know, only have 2 or, 3 children!

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How to use quotes

 

Example 1

[QU0TE]this is the message I want to put[/QU0TE]

 

Note starting the quote has no "/" but ending it does.

 

That looks like this :-

this is the message I want to put

 

 

 

Example 2, Quoting someone.

[QU0TE=Locutus]This is the quote I want to put[/QU0TE]

 

Again, ends with [/QU0TE] However starts with =who I'm quoting.

 

That one looks like this:-

This is the quote I want to put

 

Hope that helps :)

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How to use quotes

 

Example 1

[QU0TE]this is the message I want to put[/QU0TE]

 

Note starting the quote has no "/" but ending it does.

 

That looks like this :-

 

 

 

 

Example 2, Quoting someone.

[QU0TE=Locutus]This is the quote I want to put[/QU0TE]

 

Again, ends with [/QU0TE] However starts with =who I'm quoting.

 

That one looks like this:-

 

 

Hope that helps :)

 

Can I quote you on that?

Before you criticise another man you should first walk a mile in his shoes. Then, when you criticise him, you'll be a mile away and he won't have any shoes on.

 

Don't get me confused with somebody knowledgeable by all those green blobs. I got most of them by making people laugh.

 

I am not European, I am English.

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Bit more advanced is a quote within a quote. Look at it as you do the old quotation marks when they looked like 66 to open quote and 99 to close them. So here is an example:-

66he said66how you doin99 like joey from friends99.

 

Now if you exchange the open quotes for [QU0TE] and the close quotes to [/QU0TE] you get the correct message posted how you want. IE:-

 

he said
how you doin
like joey from friends

 

Easy peasy :)

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Here's a good quote:-

 

Before you critisize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes.

 

That way, when you critisize them, you are a mile away and you have their shoes;):p.

 

 

If all else fails, kick them where it hurts and SOD'EM;)

 

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