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    • I have looked at the car park and it is quite clearly marked that it is  pay to park  and advising that there are cameras installed so kind of difficult to dispute that. On the other hand it doesn't appear to state at the entrance what the charge is for breaching their rules. However they do have a load of writing in the two notices under the entrance sign which it would help if you could photograph legible copies of them. Also legible photos of the signs inside the car park as well as legible photos of the payment signs. I say legible because the wording of their signs is very important as to whether they have formed a contract with motorists. For example the entrance sign itself doe not offer a contract because it states the T&Cs are inside the car park. But the the two signs below may change that situation which is why we would like to see them. I have looked at their Notice to Keeper which is pretty close to what it should say apart from one item. Under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 Section 9 [2]a] the PCN should specify the period of parking. It doesn't. It does show the ANPR times but that includes driving from the entrance to the parking spot and then from the parking place to the exit. I know that this is a small car park but the Act is quite clear that the parking period must be specified. That failure means that the keeper is no longer responsible for the charge, only the driver is now liable to pay. Should this ever go to Court , Judges do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person so ECP will have their work cut out deciding who was driving. As long as they do not know, it will be difficult for them to win in Court which is one reason why we advise not to appeal since the appeal can lead to them finding out at times that the driver  and the keeper were the same person. You will get loads of threats from ECP and their sixth rate debt collectors and solicitors. They will also keep quoting ever higher amounts owed. Do not worry, the maximum. they can charge is the amount on the sign. Anything over that is unlawful. You can safely ignore the drivel from the Drips but come back to us should you receive a Letter of Claim. That will be the Snotty letter time.
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    • Yes, it was, but in practice we've found time after time that judges will not rule against PPCs solely on the lack of PP.  They should - but they don't.  We include illegal signage in WSs, but more as a tactic to show the PPC up as spvis rather than in the hope that the judge will act on that one point alone. But sue them for what?  They haven't really done much apart from sending you stupid letters. Breach of GDPR?  It could be argued they knew you had Supremacy of Contact but it's a a long shot. Trespass to your vehicle?  I know someone on the Parking Prankster blog did that but it's one case out of thousands. Surely best to defy them and put the onus on them to sue you.  Make them carry the risk.  And if they finally do - smash them. If you want, I suppose you could have a laugh at the MA's expense.  Tell them about the criminality they have endorsed and give them 24 hours to have your tickets cancelled and have the signs removed - otherwise you will contact the council to start enforcement for breach of planning permission.
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If they have passed themselves off as cops the local plod will hate that as it's their sole right to bully & persecute people so they will almost certainly give them a severe talking to but don't expect much more

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after the police comes the newspaper and bad publicity - first for the scumbags, then the police. after all, if the police can't/won't tackle those who imitate them, they won't protect the rest of us from those who rob us will they?

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after the police comes the newspaper and bad publicity - first for the scumbags, then the police. after all, if the police can't/won't tackle those who imitate them, they won't protect the rest of us from those who rob us will they?

 

 

Where you bin:-o They already DON'T protect us from those who rob us. Phone the cops to report a crime & chances are you'll be the one arrested:-x

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Thats what you would like to think.. Ive heard it a few times now where the bailiff has said that they have a warrant for their arrest and a van is waiting to take them to the police station for such things as council tax and parking fines.

 

Marston, Philips, Swift and another one in wales (Excel maybe?) can and do 'carry out' arrest warrants for magistrates fines

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Marston, Philips, Swift and another one in wales (Excel maybe?) can and do 'carry out' arrest warrants for magistrates fines

And?? Im sure I mentioned council tax and parking.. hang on I'll just check..

yup I did..

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Thankyou all for the great advice you have given, and if I am successful in getting my money back I will be donating some of it to this site, I have sent official complaint off to Marstons recorded delivery today Which just covers the facts and the incidents that occurred on the visit from these lovely peeps, I have also copied letter to local courts with another letter appealling against the parking ticket. The courts have said they will back me in my complaint but lets wait and see I have to give Marstons 28days to response before the Enforcement officers association can take on my complaint. I will not let this drop as it could of been a pensioner they visited and caused a heart attack.

 

I agree these peeps should be done for giving the impression they where police and will look at taking it up with local police station, but as someone said they tend to believe the bailiff not the poor sufferer they have scared the living day lights out of

 

once again tks for all the great advice will keep you all posted

 

Was this debt for an ordinary PCN ( penalty charge notice) or was it a FINE. There is a huge difference in that one is a criminal matter and the other is civil. However this should NOT affect how the debt is enforced.

 

It could also relate to a parking ticket issued by a council that has criminalised parking. There are not many of these now as most local authorities now have decriminalised parking but it is possible.

 

If you had not received copies of the statutory notices then you will need to file an Out of Time Witness Statement with the Traffic Enforcement Centre. If this is however a fine, then a Statutory Declaration would need to be filed with the court that issued the fine.

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Hi all well here is the response I got from Marston group, they have said that there officers ID themselves as bailiffs and showed me there ID cards, when I opened the door to them all lies and that they showed myself and the gentleman in my home at the time ID and the distress warrant, am in the process of doing a rely to this letter and I will be taking this further so any advise would be gratefully excepted. Can I take this any further ???

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Hi all well here is the response I got from Marston group, they have said that there officers ID themselves as bailiffs and showed me there ID cards, when I opened the door to them all lies and that they showed myself and the gentleman in my home at the time ID and the distress warrant, am in the process of doing a rely to this letter and I will be taking this further so any advise would be gratefully excepted. Can I take this any further ???

 

 

Oh ! that sounds familiar !!! :!::!:

 

 

Problem you have is without video evidence your stuffed as I was, I had cctv but mic was not connected as kids had played with wires :(

 

your word against theirs sadly

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