Advent Computer Training (Barclays Partner Finance)Info and discussion thread

[10pack]

its the next working day after today...

 

Ah you had my hopes up..

I am out of work so its a non event for me.. but take heart I still get up at the same time I used to do when I was working.. and I have worked all my working life for 35 years before being made redundant thanks to the financial problems caused.. by the Banks!!!

[Beedles6]

Yes please bear with us.

Its no good throwing a letter together that Barclays will ignore or does not spell out what targets are needed.I am consulting with other site team members with the view of putting a prelim letter together which will fit the bill.

The Easter break is almost upon us which gives us a couple of days before Tuesday to get up to speed with anything further we need and also be clear as to who is in need of what-given the different issues people have to deal with.

 

Thank You for your help it is greatly appreciated.

[richeeeee]

I too am interested into what CAG can provide, best bet it seems at the moment is to hold tight and to let those who know what there doing just do it. Thanks for all the help and effort people have put in, i for one very much appreciate it!It is good to know not everyone out there just wants to make money and look out for themselves.

[MARTIN3030]

"Can there be such a thing as one catch all letter?"

 

There looks to be 2 or 3 different scenarios.

So its either a case of doing different ones to cover specific needs,or else one which will cover all but will need tweaking/editing to fit individual circumstances.

[MARTIN3030]

"What happens on Tuesday?.. have I missed something??"

 

Its the first working day after Easter-so anything posted before then isnt likely to be going very far in any event.

[wasabi project]

Hi Tamu

 

Hi wasabi me again but i'd not rush into anything at the min I've not contacted CT or BPF yet. The CAG team are willing to help us so I'll hang on a bit and I'm sure Martin will post a letter or however he will do this if you want to be involved Martin says click his red triangle

I really can't afford Lawyers as I'm not sure what it all entails maybe a lot of letters.

 

Cheers bluedo, u r a star.which red triangle do u mean?

[Rage84]

Hi all, has anyone else recieved their sodding EMail from Computeach?? I really dont want this nw as been messed about too much by them & im going backin the Army, so wnt have the time anyway... Also i notice in my Email they keep expressing the fact that they are there to help me for the rest of my CONTRACT time which iv heard to them that is 2yrs, well i was told by advent i had 5yrs, well if they r sayin 2 then i am screwed as that gives me 10mths to complete the WHOLE MCSE course:?, cos advent only sent me one book in the whole time an just kept fobbing me off, also i notice that Computeach dont do free re-sits, well i bloody paid as much as i did for my course cos advent did unlimited re-sits, also you have to go to classes in dudley before your exams, well again i was told that i could do my exams locally to me in the Southwest.. One last thing the part where Barclays are gonna pay for 3 extra months as a good will gesture, thats Bol#@cks if u ask me, they can stick it, goodwill for me would be if they just kept the money id paid, tear up my contract and let me get on with my life.. sorry for long post

[Matt28LFC]

"Can there be such a thing as one catch all letter?"

 

There looks to be 2 or 3 different scenarios.

So its either a case of doing different ones to cover specific needs,or else one which will cover all but will need tweaking/editing to fit individual circumstances.

 

 

Yeah a couple differen't letters are probably going to be necessary. I for one am not paying by DD as i paid what i owed in full after the first year so's to avoid the obscene interest.

 

Also people are on different courses, computeach may provide for one and not so well for another.

[Matt28LFC]

Hi all, has anyone else recieved their sodding EMail from Computeach?? I really dont want this nw as been messed about too much by them & im going backin the Army, so wnt have the time anyway... Also i notice in my Email they keep expressing the fact that they are there to help me for the rest of my CONTRACT time which iv heard to them that is 2yrs, well i was told by advent i had 5yrs, well if they r sayin 2 then i am screwed as that gives me 10mths to complete the WHOLE MCSE course:?, cos advent only sent me one book in the whole time an just kept fobbing me off, also i notice that Computeach dont do free re-sits, well i bloody paid as much as i did for my course cos advent did unlimited re-sits, also you have to go to classes in dudley before your exams, well again i was told that i could do my exams locally to me in the Southwest.. One last thing the part where Barclays are gonna pay for 3 extra months as a good will gesture, thats Bol#@cks if u ask me, they can stick it, goodwill for me would be if they just kept the money id paid, tear up my contract and let me get on with my life.. sorry for long post

 

why'd they only send you one book? cant say i had that prob, soon as i passed an exam week or two later the next set of course material turned up

[Rage84]

why'd they only send you one book? cant say i had that prob, soon as i passed an exam week or two later the next set of course material turned up

 

Well i couldnt do exams that soon as i had no IT experience at all, so i contacted thm to explain that i was struggling a little and as a result i just kept being fobbed off and told to keep trying, but when u dnt knw wot ur doing at the time its a bit hard to keep trying... i can now completely take apart and rebuild, and build Rigs from nothing and a hell of a lot more but that is completely my own teaching.. I have also found outthat they should never have enrolled me on the MCSE when i dont have any experience, they told me that i didnt need to know a thing as i would learn it all from the books

[Rascal007]

Hi – this is my first post on here. I’ve read the entire 102 pages (phew!!) and the information they contain is absolutely brilliant. My thanks to everyone who has contributed.

I signed up for the CDS course in February last year, so my 12 months deferred payments would have started in mid-February this year. I had the account frozen as soon as I received the email from Advent in my junk mail folder.

Much of what follows has probably already been stated by many of you, but I will repeat to help explain where I’m coming from.

If you have an Advent Enrolment Form like mine, you will have a section 10 in the terms and conditions on the back (mine has not been signed by an Advent representative, but gave the start date as 15/2/09 and the end date as 14/2/10 – 12 months: a bit optimistic, I think considering I’m not yet currently employed in the IT industry):

“10 TERMINATION

10.1 The Contract will terminate immediately on notice from us to you:

10.1.1 In the event that we make any voluntary arrangement with our creditors or become subject to an administration order or go into liquidation (except for the purposes of amalgamation or reconstruction and in such manner that the company resulting there from effectively agrees to be bound by or assume the obligations imposed on that other party under this agreement);”

It seems to me that Advent terminated my contract at the end of January this year.

In the last few months, like many of you, I’ve had time to consider my options. I will be continuing my IT studies, but not through a BPF-financed training provider. I’m making my own arrangements.

It seems to me there are three possible options here. So we do have a choice:

First, go along with BPF’s “suggestion” of their sourced alternative training provider;

Second, request a cancellation of the BPF contract and a full refund of any monies already paid; or third, request a cancellation of the BPF contract and offer a settlement figure based on time elapsed since course start (which appears to be about £1200 per year according to some of the posts regarding Computeach’s fees - suggested only because BPF have allianced with Computeach) or amount of course completed (a bit like what Hitachi appears to be offering their customers).

So, what to do?

• I will not be accepting the offer of Computeach as a training provider.
  
• I think that we should all get behind CAG and try for option 2 above, but settle for a variant of option 3 if necessary
  

If BPF have an issue with options 2 and 3 then they can just take it up with Advent Consulting Limited – oh dear – haven’t they gone bust? What a shame….

Advent appears to have released us all from our contracts at the end of January – so now we have a choice. BPF are trying to deny us that choice. In this day and age this is completely unacceptable. Gone are the days when banks seem to operate from a sense of fair play – now they operate from a sense of greed, hence the lack of transparency in what options we have from them.

No matter what our current circumstances or our future goals, one thing is certain: we must not bend or give in to BPF’s will. WE HAVE A CHOICE AND IT IS OUR GIVEN RIGHT TO EXERCISE THIS CHOICE.

(soap box sermon over - sorry about the long post)

[Beedles6]

If your contract had already expired at Feb 17th 2010 then you are able to continue your training with Computeach but this will require further financial outlay this was in the email under advent student FAQ's When i signed up with advent the sales rep told me that there was no time scale and the contract ended when we pass the course he made me belive that i had all the time in the world anyone else promised this defo not like for like in my case.

[cashins]

Very good point.

10.1 The Contract will terminate immediately on notice from us to you:

 

10.1.1 In the event that we make any voluntary arrangement with our creditors or become subject to an administration order or go into liquidation (except for the purposes of amalgamation or reconstruction and in such manner that the company resulting there from effectively agrees to be bound by or assume the obligations imposed on that other party under this agreement);”

 

 

 

The Advent contract is null and void according to them.

 

David

[lc1989]

Did he have the Posh italian sports car? haha i had him too

 

Yeah and boasted about his company and that his cousin was a director of a premier league club. it was a alfa i think??? the bloke did demand alot of black coffee.

[Rascal007]

Very good point.

 

 

 

The Advent contract is null and void according to them.

 

David

 

 

I am now wondering if the linked loan contract a lot of us have with BPF is now no longer enforceable....

 

.....and perhaps BPF know that - hence their "bully boy" tactics.

[10pack]

so what does this mean if the contact is ended.. its with Advent that its ended.. how does it affect our relationship with Barclays?

[Rascal007]

so what does this mean if the contact is ended.. its with Advent that its ended.. how does it affect our relationship with Barclays?

 

Hi, 10pack.

 

According to my contract with Advent, the action Advent have taken constitutes a termination of my contract with Advent. I am suggesting that since Advent provided the BPF loan to me (a linked loan) then the termination of the Advent contract may render the BPF loan contract unenforceable due to them both being linked. There have been so many conflicting opinions given to contributors of this thread by different organisations that it is hard to be absolutely sure. Personally, I would be happy for BPF to try to enforce their contract with me through the courts.

 

Of course, BPF do have an alternative - they could take up the issue with Advent ...

[Yasmin89]

i was told by consumer direct that as its a linked loan both advent and barclays are liable... which is why bpf they gave us computeach..... apparently they are now no longer in breach as they found us a provider.

 

i cant see how thats right or fair

[mantaxi]

Hello all, I have been following this thread since that fateful email dropped into my inbox!

Firstly let me pay tribute to those who have put in so much time and effort to help others try and bring about a satifactory conclusion to this situation.

About me:

I signed up with Advent (July '07) in order to complete MCSE track. I have almost completed the course have received about 90% of the training offered.

I know I have been far luckier than some:

 

• I signed an open ended contract with Advent
  
• I have never had an issue with Advent customer service
  
• I took out a loan with Clydesdale (later taken over by Barclays), and paid it off before silly interest kicked in
  
• I reckon I am at most £500 out of pocket
  
• When I have needed help from "Mentor" at Advent, I always received prompt and effective support.
  
• In short I had absolutely no complaints about Advent whatsoever!!!
  

This got me thinking:

As I have have received the best possible support from Advent, passed all my exams first time (in some cases barely), my expectations of what is "equivalent or better" standards might be higher than others! ;-)

 

I have contacted CT as directed by BPF, one of their consultants is going to contact me, we will discover whether I will receive equivalent or better service!

 

Keep up the good work!

 

you must be one of the lucky ones because when i asked for help on something i was not sure of the mentor e-mailed me back and told me to look it up on wikipedia.that was a great help and not only on one occassion but several. i think a few more students on hear have had the same.

[Rage84]

Sorry to pester but no 1 has replied to my post on Page 102, but has anyone else recieved their email from Computeach like mine

[Bluedo]

Sorry to pester but no 1 has replied to my post on Page 102, but has anyone else recieved their email from Computeach like mine

 

Hi Rage

Yes I think quite a few have been email read the wording carefully and don't click if yours says you'll be accepting CT as your new provider not sign here click here Crafty eh!!

[Bluedo]

i was told by consumer direct that as its a linked loan both advent and barclays are liable... which is why bpf they gave us computeach..... apparently they are now no longer in breach as they found us a provider.

 

i cant see how thats right or fair

 

Can't understand that one either Yasmin in fact my head is done in now I've thought too much and my brain is complaining:D

[ennaadnil]

Hello everyone david knight here i blew the wistle to the radio station this morning , they are booody gits ,

 

There is a face book group -

 

advent traing scammed us , we want our money back .

 

please " join it "..

 

i spoke to barlcays they said i was the first customer to complain about advent today , yeah right. if they manage to find another provider we all need to say No, this seems like a good [problem] that advent ran i dont want to sign up to another [problem] and be shafted for £4500.

 

When i was interviewed by the radio station the cant belive that we was just emailed by advent,

 

please your put locations lets see how far advent spred over the uk

 

lets turn this around people

 

David knight - location - Maidstone, Kent

My friend fell for this [problem] too, she's gutted from Norwich...who can she call? She's not a young woman and this has totally floored her hence I'm writing this for her. Anyone any advice?????

[Bluedo]

My friend fell for this [problem] too, she's gutted from Norwich...who can she call? She's not a young woman and this has totally floored her hence I'm writing this for her. Anyone any advice?????

 

Hi ennadnil

Who did she have finance with.? As there's other threads too

I think you may have replied to a post that was from a while back. there's a lot of info in all the other pages ,

My advice stick with us here join in we're fighting back:)

[ennaadnil]

She's with Barclays, i have read lots of info and given her some numbers that were on here..she's cancelled payments but is getting letters from Barclays she's very worried as everyone is I'm sure