Help with Bailiff for Council Tax

[stressed2009]

Right, I finally heard back from the idiot who won't accept the receipt as proof my mum is owner as v5 and insurance in my name. I'm in tears as I don't know what more to do she's telling me she's going tO make sure bailiff comes back to take the car ASAP! I am due to take my sister to 2 important hospital appointments next week, the reason my mum bought this car for my use is for driving her around as she's so ill. Its not a gift as they keep suggesting once I can afford my own car I have to give it back. My mum is going mental at me

[wonkeydonkey]

My car is registered to me but does not belong to me, the owner can give a receipt to say they purchased it and it is only on loan to me, my car is a motobility car but the principle is the same is it not?

[stressed2009]

You would think so but they wont have any of that. This is exactly what it is, it is loaned to me until I can afford to purchase an alternative vehicle.

[wonkeydonkey]

remind me please: as I am pushed for time at the mo...did your mum make stat dec as to the ownership of the car

[stressed2009]

She did not do the stat dec for the car as they said they wouldnt accept this as proof and advised a receipt would be acceptable proof of purchase?

[wonkeydonkey]

Ok ....if they want refuse a legal document as proof to the ownership let them. Get that stat dec done and send them a copy, at the same time send a copy to the Council with a letter.

 

Dear Sir,

 

Due to the intransigence of your agents and xxxx Council I hold the opinion I cannot move forward with my efforts to seek a resolve other than to write to xxx magistrate and request as Summons be issued against xxxxx Council by virtue of Regulation 46 Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement) Regs 1992 for I am aggrieved by the levy carried out by ......... on ......... as the levy clearly fails to meet the requirements in the aforementioned regulations. I ask you take notice that should I fail to hear from you within 7 days with a positive proposal to seeking a resolve to this matter, I will proceed as outlined without further notice.

 

 

yours etc

[stressed2009]

Thank you for the letter. I was advised Friday to write a letter to revenue department advising them of our situation an propose a payment plan. As soon as I send the letter she said to start making the payments proposed in the letter this way she said I may be able to get them to take our accounts back. With regard to the fees she maintained to sort this out with the bailiffs as this obviously isn't possible from the various conversations I think the letter will need to be used.

[stressed2009]

New question, apologies the stress and worry is getting to me. With my operation in two weeks I am finding myself struggling more and more to cope with it all.

 

If I pay the amount outstanding for the liability order they have the levy for but not the other 2 (which just have visit fees included) just until next weekend am I right they wont be able to just turn up and remove the car? I have been unable to sleep for nights and am not sure I can take another night of worrying. I am panicking they will come early tomorrow morning or Tuesday morning before I have had a chance to get the emails send and letters posted.

 

Also, just done a quick calculation of the levy fee based on the information sheet supplied and it is off, only by a couple of quid but none the less I cant work out how they have got their figure! If I am going to pay it I want to be paying not a penny more than I should!

Edited August 28, 2011 by stressed2009

[wonkeydonkey]

Once you pay the the liability order in full ( including bailiff fees) then the debt is satisfied and the levy goes in the bin. If they return to collect your car they can go and whistle dixie. They will not call tomorrow as it is a bank holiday, if you intend to pay the outstanding liability order that carries the levy why not do it online?

 

WD

[stressed2009]

Right sorry another question as was about to pay off the fees but have come to find another fee has been added on despite no notice through the door. The council tax was paid off in full a while ago but the fees remained outstanding. The fees included a first, second and a levy fee. Now I find I am being charged an extra levy release fee I think she called it. Any ideas on this one? Thanks

[wonkeydonkey]

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?321380-Multiple-Levy’s-.im-confused

 

please read this very informative article

[gstanny]

could be a header H fee, but is not chargable if no goods were physicaly removed.

[stressed2009]

Just to clarify the vehicle has never been removed. The fees for visits and levy were just over 100 on the levy paper. Another piece of paper put through the door in august the fees were still the same. It's just now this seems to have been added?

 

On a different note got another query now another account which I was about to pay off they are saying has over 250 in fees on, they won't discuss what the fees are for with me as apparently it's not in my name wtf lmao!

[stressed2009]

Wonkeydonkey I actually just read that thread and think it may be time for a written complaint to head of revenues! Its beyond a joke the fees I apparently owe!

[ploddertom]

Have you submitted a request for an up to date breakdown? I appreciate you may have had one in the past but if they are continuing to add then they will have to provide another breakdown.

 

PT

[stressed2009]

Right any one feelings on levy and van fee on the same day? I would have thought this isn't right surely?

[stressed2009]

Lol turns out it's our neighbours vehicle.

[ploddertom]

I am a bit confused about what is happening here.

 

Do you still owe the Council for any of the Liability orders - you need to confirm this with the Council and if not how much is still outstanding and for how many LO's?

Is it just Fees you owe the Bailiff - if so what fee, what date, what amount?

You say they have a Levy - can you list the goods exactly as described on the Notice of Seizure? Also on how many LO's have they levied & have they listed the same goods each time?

 

We need a clearer view of your whole predicament to try and help. If you can it may help to scan and post up the notices you have from the Bailiffs - remove personal details first.

 

PT

[stressed2009]

Sorry I don't have a scanner but will try to make this a bit clearer. The outstanding amounts of the liability orders have been paid through the online payment system they have not cleared onto the council records yet but the man I spoke to confirmed that the amounts paid would clear the liability orders in full and I would have to sort out the fees with the bailiff company. My family have cleared the outstanding council tax and were more than ready to pay the fees but after finding a levy on the neighbours van want to be sure what they are paying is right. There are 6 liability orders with various fees outstanding.

 

Liability orders 1-3:

1st visit: 22nd June (24.50 x3)

2nd visit: 23rd June (18.00 x3),

levy only against one liability order (59.00) also 23rd June on vehicle owned by family member but v5 in my name.

levy release fee 24.50 (charged after 23rd August as final notice of that date does not include this amount)

***Council confirmed liabilities clear July 2011 told to sort fees with bailiff***

 

Liability order 4 -

1st visit 24.50,

2nd visit 18.00

 

Liability order 5 -

1st visit 24.50,

2nd visit 18.00

 

Liability order 6 -

1st visit 9th May 24.50,

2nd visit 10th May 18.00,

on 23rd august a final notice put through the door but found out today there was also a levy fee of 47.00 on neighbours van plus on same day van fee of 160.00 no paperwork left with these breakdowns on it.

 

For the liability orders with no dates I will check those tomorrow as don't have paperwork with me.

 

I hope this is a bit clearer.

Edited September 27, 2011 by stressed2009

[gstanny]

how they can even hope to get away with this is beyond me. they are blatently spoofing you and rubbing it in your face.

[stressed2009]

Just a hypothetical question as I am disputing these fees as they are not valid.... why charge for a van fee when they have only levied on a vehicle so how would they remove my neighbours BIG transit van with his little transit connect type van?

[ploddertom]

 

Liability orders 1-3:

1st visit: 22nd June (24.50 x3)

2nd visit: 23rd June (18.00 x3),

levy only against one liability order (59.00) also 23rd June on vehicle owned by family member but v5 in my name.

levy release fee 24.50 (charged after 23rd August as final notice of that date does not include this amount)

***Council confirmed liabilities clear July 2011 told to sort fees with bailiff*** Is that for all charges or have you paid some?

 

Liability order 4 -

1st visit 24.50,

2nd visit 18.00

Dates of visits?

 

Liability order 5 -

1st visit 24.50,

2nd visit 18.00

Dates of visits?

 

Liability order 6 -

1st visit 9th May 24.50,

2nd visit 10th May 18.00,

on 23rd august a final notice put through the door but found out today there was also a levy fee of 47.00 on neighbours van plus on same day van fee of 160.00 no paperwork left with these breakdowns on it. Was a Notice of Seizure left & do I assume you have paid none of these charges?

 

For the liability orders with no dates I will check those tomorrow as don't have paperwork with me.

 

I hope this is a bit clearer.

 

Have you asked the Council when each of the Liability orders was obtained & when they were passed on for enforcement?

 

PT

[stressed2009]

Hi

I have the dates the liability orders were obtained but dont have the dates they were passed on for enforcement? Should I ask for this information?

Thanks

S

[ploddertom]

Yes, there may be a chance they were all given to the Bailiff at the same time. If so that begs the question of them using different dates unless of course they think that by splitting them up they will get more fees - not that I think they would do such a thing of course.

 

PT

[stressed2009]

Well I have tried to get the infomation but dont seem to have got very far... apparently they were passed over on 6th January 2011, 14th May 2011 and 26th July 2011. Very questionable information considering I was chased in June 2011 for payment and full outstanding liability balance paid on 24th June 2011. When I queried this with him he claims the third one never actually went to bailiffs and was just closed?! Confusing stuff speaking to the council employees