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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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Advice required please,

 

What are my rights should my LL decide to sell his property to someone else?

 

Any direction please?

 

thankyou

 

SD

 

Hi SD

 

My landlord has been trying to sell where i live now for 3 years now even longer if they had told me the truth in the 1st place ,but thats another story :wink:

 

You should seek legal advice ASAP on what your legal rights are

 

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Just out of intrest how long have you lived there and where does your landlord live ?

 

Rights in what way? If you are on a shorthold tenancy, that continues. The buyer buys the property with a sitting tenant. Of course, the seller may have forgot to tell them that, but that doesn't change anything.

 

Too true in my case.

 

Fortunately for me,unfortunately for my landlord,my tenancy is regulated tenancy/sitting tenant moved in before 15/01/1989 and my rent is registered under 1977 rent act :wink:

 

What my LL has told estate agents and people viewing the property,im the tennant from hell,only lived there 6 years and the estate agents giving duff information to my LL and people viewing the property Beggers belief..

 

I could right a book on it all,but now estate agents and people viewing now know the truth about my tenancy..

 

MARTIN

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I personally don't see any reason that the OP will need to seek further legal advise. Your AST will transfer to the new landlord on the same terms regardless. You have the same rights, if your on a fixed term the new landlord cannot evict you until after that fixed term and will still need to provide 2 months notice.

 

If the new ll does want to move in to the property it might be something you should expect, and would suggest talking to them about it. Though at this stage there is nothing to worry about, everything carries on as normal.

 

Do remember your rights of quiet enjoyment are still standing, so should the ll or someone else want to show perspective buyers around they will of course need to seek your permission first. They can't just barge in.

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I personally don't see any reason that the OP will need to seek further legal advise. Your AST will transfer to the new landlord on the same terms regardless. You have the same rights, if your on a fixed term the new landlord cannot evict you until after that fixed term and will still need to provide 2 months notice.

 

If the new ll does want to move in to the property it might be something you should expect, and would suggest talking to them about it. Though at this stage there is nothing to worry about, everything carries on as normal.

 

Do remember your rights of quiet enjoyment are still standing, so should the ll or someone else want to show perspective buyers around they will of course need to seek your permission first. They can't just barge in.

 

Better to be safe than sorry and seek legal advice away :wink:

 

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Better to be safe than sorry and seek legal advice away :wink:

 

MARTIN :D

 

True, :), also post the dates here that you first moved in (or, if appropriate, the dates that family preceding you and / or significant other took over tenancy and / or there was any change in circumstances arising) and CAG and others can then comment further.

 

Good luck and catch up later.

 

[EDIT: Sorry, should have made my post a little clearer. Recall that regulated tenants have right of first refusal at time of sale (Landlord & Tenant Act, similar to leaseholders). Will see if can find a link and post it here.

 

Reason for asking after dates when you/family moved in and so on is to double check o any succession rights for regulated tenants too.

 

The former point (rights of first refusal) may have some bearing on your original post, the latter (regulated tenancies, generally, with succession to an AT or AST), has less bearing, perhaps.

 

Hope that clears matters up a bit!]

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As for me, happy to help out. I am not a Landlord, but I have been in the past. I am not an Agent, but I have been in the past. I am, therefore, a has been, so always seek independent and suitably qualified advice elsewhere before relying upon whatever has been posted here :-)

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Sorry, should have made my post a little clearer.

 

Recall that regulated tenants have right of first refusal at time of sale (Landlord & Tenant Act, similar to leaseholders). Will see if can find a link and post it here.

(Closest link can find at present is

 

The Right of First Refusal: Ashworths Solicitors

 

"Are you a qualifying tenant?

 

You will be a qualifying tenant if you are a long leaseholder or a regulated tenant, if you hold your lease directly from the person wishing to sell their interest."

and, for landlords,

 

"Failure to comply with your statutory obligations constitute a criminal offence punishable by a fine of up to £5,000.00.")

 

I have no connection with Ashworths, whose link that is, it's just that was the first link I could find!

 

Reason for asking after dates when you/family moved in and so on is to double check if there are any succession rights queries for you if you or a family member are or were regulated tenants too.

 

The former point (right of first refusal) may have some considerable bearing on stalin's dead and 45002's original posts, would be interested to know what the up to date legal advice is on this.

 

The latter point (the more general point over succession to an Assured Tenancy or Assured Shorthold Tenancy), has less bearing, perhaps, but helps puts matters in context.

 

Hope that clears matters up a bit!

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As for me, happy to help out. I am not a Landlord, but I have been in the past. I am not an Agent, but I have been in the past. I am, therefore, a has been, so always seek independent and suitably qualified advice elsewhere before relying upon whatever has been posted here :-)

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I must apologise to SD 1st for hijacking his thread :wink:

 

To cut a very very long story short,my LL is the type of person along with his wife,is allways right and never wrong,also they think tenants have No rights at all and they kick people out where ever they like just because they want to sell up...

 

My LL now knows what my rights are and what his are,but still doesn't get it:-|

 

I moved into my flat approx at the end 1984 and live along with my 2 moggies,this is the only thing me and my LL can agree on is the date i moved in and my LL lives next door in there house with his wife..

 

I know All about my rights from solictor and that i could pass on my tenancy on to family member if i kick the bucket and so on.

 

My LL has never given me 1st refusal to by the flat,but i could not afford to buy it anyway

 

Also my local council Advice for Private Tenants - Birmingham City Council private tenancy dept have had to write to my LL telling them of what my rights are.

 

But as i said early on my LL still doesn't understand why i have the right to stay,another problem is or was the estate agents giving out false information out about my tenancy to people wanting to buy the house,but been sorted out,i could go on and on aand on and on,but would end up writing severa pages on this forum...............

 

MARTIN :D

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