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    • Received a final demand today Final demand.pdf
    • Here is my final draft: I, XXXXXX, being the Defendant in this case will state as follows; I make this Witness Statement in support of my defence in the claim and further to my set aside application dated 1 November 2022. The claimants witness statement confirms that it mostly relies on hearsay evidence as confirmed by the drafts in person in the opening paragraph. It is my understanding they must serve notice to any hearsay evidence pursuant to CPR 33.2(1)(B) (notice of intention to rely on hearsay evidence) and Section 2 (1) (A) of the Civil Evidence Act.   1.        The claimant failed to comply with the additional directions ordered by District Judge Davis on the 2 February 2024 'The Claim shall be automatically struck out at 4pm on 3 April 2024 unless the Claimant delivers to the Court and to the Defendant the following documents.' None of these documents were received by the court nor the defendant by that date.   2.        I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already wrote off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimants witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment.   As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights.  This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information).  The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party.   3.        The alleged letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 was served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018, no effort was made to ascertain my correct address.  I have attached a copy of my tenancy agreement which is marked ‘Appendix 1’ and shows I was residing at a difference address as of 11 December 2018 and was therefore not at the service address at the time the proceedings were served.  I have also attached an email from my solicitors to the Claimants solicitors dated 14 July 2022 which was sent to them requesting that they disclose the trace of evidence they utilised prior to issuing the proceedings against me.  This is marked ‘Appendix 2’.  The claimants solicitors did not provide me with these documents.   4.        Under The Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims 2017 a Debt Buyer must undertake all reasonable enquiries to ensure the correct address of a debtor, this can be as simple as a credit file search. The Claimant failed to carry out such basic checks. Subsequently all letters prior to and including ,The Pre action Protocol letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 and the claim form dated 14th February 2020 were all served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018.   5.        I became aware of original Judgement following a routine credit check on or around 14th September 2020.   6.        Upon the discovery of the Judgement debt, I made immediate contact with the Court and the Claimant Solicitors, putting them on notice that I was making investigations in relation to the Judgement debt as it was not familiar to me.  I asked them to provide me with a copy of the original loan agreement but this was not provided to me.   The correspondence to the Claimant Solicotors is attached and marked ‘Appendix 3’   7.        I then sent a Data Subject Access Request to Barclays but no agreement was provided. Details the timeline of communication between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 4’and the copies of correspondence between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 5’.   8.        The claimant relies upon and exhibits a reconstituted version of the alleged agreement.   It is again denied that I have ever entered into an agreement with Barclaycard on or around 2000.  It is admitted that I did hold other credit agreements with other creditors and as such should this be a debt that was assigned to Barclaycard from another brand therefore the reconstituted agreement disclosed is invalid being pre April 2007 and not legally enforceable pursuant to HH Judge Waksman in Carey v HSBC 2009 EWHC3417.  Details of this are attached and marked ‘Appendix 6’.   The original credit agreement must be provided along with any reconstituted version on a modified credit agreement and must contain the names and address of debtor and creditor, agreement number and cancelation clause.   9.        Therefore the claimant is put to strict proof to disclose a true executed legible agreement on which its claim relies upon and not try to mislead the court.   10.   As per CPR 1.4(2)(a) the court encourages parties to cooperate with each other in the conduct of proceedings in order to try and save time and costs for the parties and to also save the time and resources of the court however, despite vast attempts at mediation the claimants have been most unreasonable and have remained unwilling to mediate. Until such time the claimant can comply and disclose a true executed copy of the original assigned agreement they refer to within the particulars of this claim they are not entitled while the default continues, to enforce the agreement pursuant to section 78.6 (a) of the Credit Consumer Act 1974. I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true.  I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. Signed                 ………………………………………………….. Name                  XXXX Date                     30 April 2024
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    • Hi folks, I've just found previous documentation. I thought it had gone missing. I'd forgotten that I did appeal it through POPLA but I can't find the thread on here that, I assume, I posted for help. Appeal letter is dated 27/10/2020 with a rejection. I genuinely had forgotten about this so apologies for misleading you. A lot has happened in the years since the ticket was issued. We closed down a couple of businesses and moved to the opposite end of the country to retire. The documents I have are scanned copies. I no longer have the originals. The NTK is also in there. If there's anything you'd like to see, please let me know and I'll post them, although it probably won't be until tomorrow now, but I'll be looking in on this page tonight. Thank you for the responses so far
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Hi all

I am not sure if this agreement is enforceable. I mean I don't have a clue:rolleyes:. I've tried to sort it out myself but is not really easy. I am not very familiar with all these terms. Any advice is more than welcome.

 

Thanks in advance.

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Give a man a gun and he'll rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he'll rob everyone!

 

 

The Bank:

 

An institution, where you can borrow money if you can present sufficient evidence, to prove that you don't need it !!!

 

 

The Banker:

 

A man, who will lend you an umbrella, but want it back as soon as it will start to rain !!!

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The problem is that the CCA is too small

 

You could try either going to the quick reply box, scroll down and click on go advanced and then scroll down and then click on manage attachments and you can then upload to the CAG site server OR you can use something like photobucket

If I've helped feel free to add to my reputation.

 

I am not a Practising Lawyer. My comments are my opinion only. You should not rely upon those comments and should always take your own professional advice from a practising Solicitor or Barrister

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Thanks for that Ive..

Ill try that

Give a man a gun and he'll rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he'll rob everyone!

 

 

The Bank:

 

An institution, where you can borrow money if you can present sufficient evidence, to prove that you don't need it !!!

 

 

The Banker:

 

A man, who will lend you an umbrella, but want it back as soon as it will start to rain !!!

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Sorry I've :confused:

Are you talking about that URL thing? Cos if is that, I am not really sure how to do it.

Thanks

Give a man a gun and he'll rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he'll rob everyone!

 

 

The Bank:

 

An institution, where you can borrow money if you can present sufficient evidence, to prove that you don't need it !!!

 

 

The Banker:

 

A man, who will lend you an umbrella, but want it back as soon as it will start to rain !!!

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This are actually the copies that they send to reply to my CCA letter.

I have found the original ones which are better.

I will try these.

Give a man a gun and he'll rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he'll rob everyone!

 

 

The Bank:

 

An institution, where you can borrow money if you can present sufficient evidence, to prove that you don't need it !!!

 

 

The Banker:

 

A man, who will lend you an umbrella, but want it back as soon as it will start to rain !!!

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Let's see how is this one. Crap:confused:

Give a man a gun and he'll rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he'll rob everyone!

 

 

The Bank:

 

An institution, where you can borrow money if you can present sufficient evidence, to prove that you don't need it !!!

 

 

The Banker:

 

A man, who will lend you an umbrella, but want it back as soon as it will start to rain !!!

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next?

 

Still too small

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Give a man a gun and he'll rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he'll rob everyone!

 

 

The Bank:

 

An institution, where you can borrow money if you can present sufficient evidence, to prove that you don't need it !!!

 

 

The Banker:

 

A man, who will lend you an umbrella, but want it back as soon as it will start to rain !!!

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I've... welcome to my threat, by the way

Is photobucket that website which require subscription?

Thanks

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Give a man a gun and he'll rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he'll rob everyone!

 

 

The Bank:

 

An institution, where you can borrow money if you can present sufficient evidence, to prove that you don't need it !!!

 

 

The Banker:

 

A man, who will lend you an umbrella, but want it back as soon as it will start to rain !!!

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Hi firstship

 

I am in the same situation like you are but, even without an application form. One question I might have please; how did you complain to the Information Commissioners Office. Got a letter or something?

Thanks 'theformerdebtor'.

Give a man a gun and he'll rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he'll rob everyone!

 

 

The Bank:

 

An institution, where you can borrow money if you can present sufficient evidence, to prove that you don't need it !!!

 

 

The Banker:

 

A man, who will lend you an umbrella, but want it back as soon as it will start to rain !!!

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Hi firstship

 

I am in the same situation like you are but, even without an application form. One question I might have please; how did you complain to the Information Commissioners Office. Got a letter or something?

Thanks 'theformerdebtor'.

 

Each complaint needs to be unique so there is no template letter, it has to be about how they have acted with you and each case is different.

 

I find the best way to complain is via there website email template...

 

HERE

 

(Just click on the link under email at the bottom paragraphs of the page)

 

S.

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Thank you 'theshadow'

Ill check the website

Give a man a gun and he'll rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he'll rob everyone!

 

 

The Bank:

 

An institution, where you can borrow money if you can present sufficient evidence, to prove that you don't need it !!!

 

 

The Banker:

 

A man, who will lend you an umbrella, but want it back as soon as it will start to rain !!!

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Thanks happy1970 for all u doing here. I might have a question as well please.

 

If u are in dispute with barclaycard and tell them that they have to proof u owe them money and u are ready to go to court with them, do they have the right to take any money from your Barclay debit account without your consent? Isnt this a crime when someone is withdraw the money from your account without your consent or a court order?

 

thanks

Give a man a gun and he'll rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he'll rob everyone!

 

 

The Bank:

 

An institution, where you can borrow money if you can present sufficient evidence, to prove that you don't need it !!!

 

 

The Banker:

 

A man, who will lend you an umbrella, but want it back as soon as it will start to rain !!!

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Hi there

 

Can i use a N1 form to take Barclays to court to return the money they paid to Barclaycard without your consent? Any advice welcome.

 

thanks

Give a man a gun and he'll rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he'll rob everyone!

 

 

The Bank:

 

An institution, where you can borrow money if you can present sufficient evidence, to prove that you don't need it !!!

 

 

The Banker:

 

A man, who will lend you an umbrella, but want it back as soon as it will start to rain !!!

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Thanks sytra. But even like that they have to inform u about taking some money from your account, not just take it .

Give a man a gun and he'll rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he'll rob everyone!

 

 

The Bank:

 

An institution, where you can borrow money if you can present sufficient evidence, to prove that you don't need it !!!

 

 

The Banker:

 

A man, who will lend you an umbrella, but want it back as soon as it will start to rain !!!

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Thanks sytra. But even like that they have to inform u about taking some money from your account, not just take it .

 

 

I wouldn't rely on this personally. They can take it under the right of set-off. If you think this could happen to you, open up another bank account and transfer your money out immediately.

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Hi TFD,

 

You could certainly use Form N1 but are you sure that you have a case against the bank.

 

Can you explain the circumstances in more detail.

 

I assume you know that banks have, and use, the "Right to Set Off" enabling them to raid your current a/c or savings to settle an amount due on another card or loan a/c.

 

There are circumstances where they should NOT do this, particularly where you have pre-warned them that a credit into the a/c is to be used for priority debts like rent, mortgage.

 

You can warn the bank that money being credited to your a/c is required for specific purposes using the "Right of Appropriation" letter. See here - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general-debt-issues/36790-bank-taking-your-benefits.html#post289030

 

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Hi TFD,

 

I've moved your other posts and replies from Happy1970's thread which hasn't been used for 2 years.

 

Use this thread for your case from now on. :)

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Thanks for your reply slick. I should start my case from the begining now.

 

I sent all the letters to get hold of my contract but like nealy all of us here, without success so, i sent SAR letter with the 10£ payment.

 

Received it about 3 months ago but like i was expected without any contract. Since then i received all kinds of thretening letters from all debt companies including Barclaycard, all of them saying at the end they will take me to court, one of the letter saying that they will accept any deal and even less money that they said i owe to them.

I was waiting for the day they will take me to court and instead of starting any court actions Barclaycard started to withdraw money from my account.

 

I called Barclays and ask them how they can pay money to someone without my consent even is Barclaycard. As far as i know Barclaycard have to send u a letter to make u aware that "in such date we will withdraw this amount from your debit account, please make sure there are available funds". They just took the money that was designated to my rent and some of my bills.

 

Should i take miself Barclaycard to court?

Any advice will be appreciated.

 

Thanks

Give a man a gun and he'll rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he'll rob everyone!

 

 

The Bank:

 

An institution, where you can borrow money if you can present sufficient evidence, to prove that you don't need it !!!

 

 

The Banker:

 

A man, who will lend you an umbrella, but want it back as soon as it will start to rain !!!

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Hi TFD,

 

Sorry but I think you'd be foolish to try taking BC to court about this.

 

The BC T&C's state clearly that they reserve the right to take money owing on the BC a/c from any other Barclays a/c that you have. Many others have been caught out by this.

 

The only way to avoid it happening again is to have a bank a/c that is NOT in the Barclays group, as suggested above.

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Hi TFD,

 

Sorry but I think you'd be foolish to try taking BC to court about this.

 

The BC T&C's state clearly that they reserve the right to take money owing on the BC a/c from any other Barclays a/c that you have. Many others have been caught out by this.

 

The only way to avoid it happening again is to have a bank a/c that is NOT in the Barclays group, as suggested above.

 

 

Thank you very much for your response slick132.

 

The thing is, u said is stated in the BC T&C's. How they can apply this if we dont have a CCA, or they refuse to produce one, if we have. The reason to take them to court for is that i sent SAR and there is no agreement. They dont have one or refuse to produce it.

 

Thats why i asked:

should i take them to court for not having a CCA but chasing a debt and ask them to write it off

 

or

 

having the CCA but not producing under SAR which obviously they breaking the law.

 

Upon checking my credit report this supposed debt was recorded. So i have a bad credit because of this now. I dont think another bank will open me a bank a/c at the moment.

 

I am not sure which step to take now.

 

thank you

Give a man a gun and he'll rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he'll rob everyone!

 

 

The Bank:

 

An institution, where you can borrow money if you can present sufficient evidence, to prove that you don't need it !!!

 

 

The Banker:

 

A man, who will lend you an umbrella, but want it back as soon as it will start to rain !!!

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Hi TFD,

 

If you read other threads here in the BC forum, you'll see how BC deals with CCA requests, SAR's, etc. and how CAGgers deal with BC.

 

Just because they haven't yet sent you a Credit Agreement doesn't mean they don't have one. They are avoiding sending them out by relying on the CCA1974 which says they CAN send out T&C's to satisfy the request.

 

The banks, etc do not send out Credit Agreements in response to a SAR. You say they are "obviously breaking the law" but I think you're wrong.

 

There are ways to fight this, but going to court the way you suggest is not likely to get you what you want.

 

Spend more time reading threads here and you'll learn what others are doing.

 

In particular, you'll see that many complaints are being sent to the FOS re failure to supply the Credit Agreement in response to a CCA request. Although the FOS are generally slow, they appear to be getting the result CAGgers want - ie getting sight of the agreement.

 

To summarize you have to take the right action against BC depending on what they do, or don't do.

 

CCA Request - If they supply your T&C's, they HAVE complied with their obligations and you may not be entitled to withhold payments. But they have NOT produced an enforceable credit agreement, which they need to get a court judgement against you.

 

You can complain to the FOS and see if they will intervene on your behalf. In the cases we've seen, the Credit Agreement or other document IS produced and you then know if they have an enforceable Credit Agreement.

 

SAR - If they fail to send you the data (excluding the Credit Agreement) you require, and which you know they have, you can take court action to get an order for them to produce documents. See items 18, 19 and 20 in the Bank Templates Library.

 

You can also complain to the Info Comm'rs Office. :)

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The banks, etc do not send out Credit Agreements in response to a SAR. You say they are "obviously breaking the law" but I think you're wrong.

 

I thought a SAR is a formal request to supply one with ALL data held. Which includes:

 

"The original signed, executed credit agreement and any terms and conditions that applied to the account at the time of default and at the time the account was opened."

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Yes, the SAR is a request for all data held concerning an individual.

 

I think the reason, that production of the credit agreement is not enforced as part of the SAR scenario, is because this is specifically covered by other legislation, namely CCA 1974.

 

I've asked the same question myself because it made sense to me that the SAR should get sight of the agreement. But I was informed that it just doesn't work that way. :mad:

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I thought a SAR is a formal request to supply one with ALL data held. Which includes:

 

"The original signed, executed credit agreement and any terms and conditions that applied to the account at the time of default and at the time the account was opened."

 

 

I thought the same. :mad:

Thanks for reading my thread James. I will send a complain to the FOS and see if they will intervene on my behalf. Il keep u posted guys.

 

Thanks guys.

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Give a man a gun and he'll rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he'll rob everyone!

 

 

The Bank:

 

An institution, where you can borrow money if you can present sufficient evidence, to prove that you don't need it !!!

 

 

The Banker:

 

A man, who will lend you an umbrella, but want it back as soon as it will start to rain !!!

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