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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Angel, surely you've done that by now!!!!!!! Hope you look at the CPR route too.....:cool:

 

 

hiya AA99 oh yes to mbna i did just maybe do it to lewis group too, just to show more in my paperwork trail and just to see if i got something totally different back,,,since there are many different styles being sent out;);)

 

cpr may be perhaps more appropiate mind you,,,,so have to consider that too thanks

 

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hiya AA99 oh yes to mbna i did just maybe do it to lewis group too, just to show more in my paperwork trail and just to see if i got something totally different back,,,since there are many different styles being sent out;);)

 

cpr may be perhaps more appropiate mind you,,,,so have to consider that too thanks

 

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Hi Angel!

Yes i am takeing your advice !and that of what Bankerrhymeswith! put up on some of his/her posts:DI have sent a few letters now stating my doubts and concerns to them and Restons about my alleged agreement!and i did send them a couple of letters before DN notice making an infromal appointment to view the alleged agreement iat my own expense and time:D stating that it would be a amicable way solving dispute and saving court time and expense MBNA totally ingnored by overtures!i wonder why:Di mean you would think they would want to show me this alleged agreement which they alledge is correctly executed and keep insisting they have:DSo if a DJ asks us what i have done i willl tell him/her that i made reasonable efforts to see alledged original agreement and asked for confirmation that all those scraps of paper were from same document! pointing out that it would be a way of resolving dispute and saving court time!which they just ignored:D and now they ignoring CPR31.14 request!

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just received this ! They are claiming that that what they sent me in response to request for original alleged agreement in earlier post in that citB got me to write to them when they first contacted me complies with a CPR31.14 request

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They say the termination notice not applicable:confused: but i thought that was the purpose of DN notice:confused: Am i being a bit thick here! Surely if MBNA defaulted and sent DN notice the account terminated:confused:Am i loosing the plot!:eek:

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They say the termination notice not applicable:confused: but i thought that was the purpose of DN notice:confused: Am i being a bit thick here! Surely if MBNA defaulted and sent DN notice the account terminated:confused:Am i loosing the plot!:eek:

 

I don't believe that there is an absolute requirement to issue a termination notice in the same way as there is for a DN.

 

Not applicable probably just means that a TN doesn't exist. I certainly have never received one from MBNA for any of my accounts.

 

Nonetheless, a termination can be implied by virtue of actions such as demanding full payment via a court action. The wording of the DN is also critical. Mine clearly states that the account will be closed and the agreement terminated. Does yours say the same SF??

 

Additionally, have they stopped issuing monthly statements, charging interest and written the balance off?? These are good indicators of termination also.

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Is the DN an exact copy of the one you received, SF ?

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Hi CitB

It is exactly the same as last DN notice

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I don't believe that there is an absolute requirement to issue a termination notice in the same way as there is for a DN.

 

Not applicable probably just means that a TN doesn't exist. I certainly have never received one from MBNA for any of my accounts.

 

Nonetheless, a termination can be implied by virtue of actions such as demanding full payment via a court action. The wording of the DN is also critical. Mine clearly states that the account will be closed and the agreement terminated. Does yours say the same SF??

 

Additionally, have they stopped issuing monthly statements, charging interest and written the balance off?? These are good indicators of termination also.

Hi Welshman

They have stoppped issuing statements So they have terminated my account

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So they are saying trhis complies with a CPR31.14 request

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and this is what they trying to imply is overleaf though Restons did sent it as two seperate pieces of paper unlike MBNA who sent it copied onto back and front of same page!on their s78 request!

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Hi DJX

 

It is also a debt with MBNA, who offered to accept £90 per month in May and then changed their minds and sent the debt to Restons!! When I sent Restons a copy of the letter from MBNA saying they would accept £90 per month, they said this was no longer acceptable to their client and they wanted the full amount (£10,000) by 17th June

 

 

Think MBNA have been told by their masters to get some money in, hence they are issuing all over the place.

 

You need to:

 

Set up your own thread on this so as not to confuse the issue.

 

Either do a sec 78 1974 request or use CPR 14 to get documents from Restons.

 

Send a Subject Access Request, (will cost you a tenner), to MBNA to see what they have been up to.

 

They may mean business, so best be prepared.

 

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Hello everyone-this is the most informative thread I have ever read-well done and thanks to you all!!

 

I received the first stages of court threat letters from Restons today-giving me until June 17th to pay in full or legal proceedings will be taken etc etc

 

It is also a debt with MBNA, who offered to accept £90 per month in May and then changed their minds and sent the debt to Restons!! When I sent Restons a copy of the letter from MBNA saying they would accept £90 per month, they said this was no longer acceptable to their client and they wanted the full amount (£10,000) by 17th June

 

I am on a DMP with CCCS who have been brilliant and it is only MBNA who are being nasty.

 

As and when I get the court papers would anybody be able to help me fill them out? I havent SAJ'd MBNA yet-should I do that now or send the sample letter in the thread once court proceedings are issued?

 

All your advice would be much appreciated

 

DJX:D

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I am glad my thread was a help to you!You will get plenty of help and advice and if you get a court summons Cag is brillaint and someone knowledgeable will take you on and assist with court forms and advice! So try not to worry to much.I found when the chips are down and a court summons arrives there are lovely people on Cag who will help you and if they cant they bring you to attention of people who can! :-)

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Min'e a similar story, but with HFC.

 

This thing I knew of Reston's was when I recieved the paper work from Northampton!! I instantly sent a CPR to them, they didn't respond to me so i filed an embarressed defence. I also sent a SAR to HFC, but they are playing silly bee's and refusing to send the info till I send my passport, driving licence and a recent ulility bill to them as proof of ID and fill in their security form!!

 

A couple of days later (after the court sent my defence to them!!) I received a letter back statign that the CPR was not applicable to them (their claim was for £21,500, plus £3509 collection fees) and all they sent attached to their letter was the DN and CCA and a payment history.

 

Restons have made it clear that they want a CO against me, so I am fighting hard to avoid the CCJ

 

The court have written to them and given them till the 10th June to respond or they will automatically stay the case.

 

Form what i have read on the forums about Restons they go in hard and hope that people roll over and accept a judgement. When people fight back they are a bit shocked!!

 

so if you dont have a passport or driving licence - then presumably you are denied justice!! muppets

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I don't believe that there is an absolute requirement to issue a termination notice in the same way as there is for a DN.

 

Not applicable probably just means that a TN doesn't exist. I certainly have never received one from MBNA for any of my accounts.

 

Nonetheless, a termination can be implied by virtue of actions such as demanding full payment via a court action. The wording of the DN is also critical. Mine clearly states that the account will be closed and the agreement terminated. Does yours say the same SF??

 

Additionally, have they stopped issuing monthly statements, charging interest and written the balance off?? These are good indicators of termination also.

 

well you could write back and ask them to explain why the TN is not applicable?

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is it? then where have the vertical numbers "46767 CP1207-let" gone from the bottom RH corner!

Hi Didddydicky!

Well spotted! Though they will probably say as it just a copy of DN and not important, But i get your point I suppose if they copied whole lettter to print off you would think that would appear as well!

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well you could write back and ask them to explain why the TN is not applicable?

Thanks for your advice DiddyDicky! Yes i am thinking what reply to compose and that would be worth mentioning!

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Thanks again folks for everyones help and support! I am very grateful for all your help and input on this thread!

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well you could write back and ask them to explain why the TN is not applicable?

 

I'd be interested to see their response to this one also SF!!;)

 

As mentioned earlier, I'm guessing that the DN is a computer print off, as opposed to a photocopy of the original, as all they seem to do is record the dates on the computer log.

 

AS CB said, it is worth checking that their DN tallies with yours as another Cagger, Pompey Faith, had the dates and clause numbers changed on his...just as well he kept the original eh?!!:D

 

Keep us updated with your progress SF.:)

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I'd be interested to see their response to this one also SF!!;)

 

As mentioned earlier, I'm guessing that the DN is a computer print off, as opposed to a photocopy of the original, as all they seem to do is record the dates on the computer log.

 

AS CB said, it is worth checking that their DN tallies with yours as another Cagger, Pompey Faith, had the dates and clause numbers changed on his...just as well he kept the original eh?!!:D

 

Keep us updated with your progress SF.:)

Hi welshman

I am afraid alll the dates and wording tally with original one but as you say it is not a copy from original copy as there is a minor difference in that they have portrayed the remedy date in Restons copy as March in written form but on MBNAs original copy march is portrayed as a number 03! as well as the missing serial number! but i suppose as dates and wording the same it would not be a reason for query in court?:(

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WM it will be very interesting to see how my case pans out tomorrow PF

Good luck popeyfaith! I hope you give em grief!:) and keeping my fingers crossed you see them off!

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