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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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No. You will get an auto response via email but they will reply by letter. and the letter writing ping pong continues..... lol

 

btw have you complained to the SRA, your MP, which, watchdog, etc?

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There have been some new DVD's that also contain a digital copy for use on your PC or mobile, (new Family Guy for example), but there are still strict rules on how many times it can be copied, etc and it still (in theory) for your own personal use.

 

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These are the DVDs l mean so how can l be accused of sharing something when l have a legal copy for my i pod or mp3 player based on the one l have brought?

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These are the DVDs l mean so how can l be accused of sharing something when l have a legal copy for my i pod or mp3 player based on the one l have brought?

 

I'm not sure what you mean ?. The 'portable' copy including on the disc is only for your own personal use and I think there are DRM restrictions on it too.

 

But theoritically if you were to place that 'copy' into your P2P program shared folder then that would be deemed illegal as you would then be sharing it with potentially millions of others....But then again the big video/record companies arnt involved with ACS, its mostly just obscure euro-crap music/naff games/porn companies.

 

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yes it the portable copy l am on about. How can l know if l have put one of those onto my P2P program when l dont even know if l have a p2p program?

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yes it the portable copy l am on about. How can l know if l have put one of those onto my P2P program when l dont even know if l have a p2p program?

 

Well, have you installed a P2P program on your PC ?

 

(P2P) Peer to Peer programs are used to share files across the internet, popular ones are Bittorrent, UTorrent, etc. These are the programs (and others) snooped on by ACS's 'investigators'. Your IP address will be available and this is what they use to track you down, via your ISP and court orders requiring your ISP to divulge your address.

 

It is possible though to spoof or hide the IP address shown on P2P programs, perhaps showing a nonsensical IP addy or more worryingly a valid IP addy of a completely innocent user.

 

The P2P program will set up a folder and anything placed within it (wether placed there by you or whether it a file 'downloaded' by you) will be available to other P2P users, this applies whether it is the whole file or if it is one you are still downloading.

 

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These are the DVDs l mean so how can l be accused of sharing something when l have a legal copy for my i pod or mp3 player based on the one l have brought?

 

As copyright law stands you can make one legal back up copy for your own use. Making it available to even a Family member is breach of copyright according to our out of date copyright laws. Making it available for other via P2P is a breach.

 

Once you've made it available and other have uploaded it, have a genuine copy will be no defence. Either way, you'v disclosed enough on a public forum.

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Well, have you installed a P2P program on your PC ?

 

(P2P) Peer to Peer programs are used to share files across the internet, popular ones are Bittorrent, UTorrent, etc. These are the programs (and others) snooped on by ACS's 'investigators'. Your IP address will be available and this is what they use to track you down, via your ISP and court orders requiring your ISP to divulge your address.

 

It is possible though to spoof or hide the IP address shown on P2P programs, perhaps showing a nonsensical IP addy or more worryingly a valid IP addy of a completely innocent user.

 

The P2P program will set up a folder and anything placed within it (wether placed there by you or whether it a file 'downloaded' by you) will be available to other P2P users, this applies whether it is the whole file or if it is one you are still downloading.

 

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It's also common place for P2P sites to through spoof IP addresses into their trackers. The whole thing is such a grey area.

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I dont think l have installed it but in my local paper last week there is a articale where these leaches have sent a elderly man a bill for downloading a music file he has never heard of........................................The best bit is he was out of the country with proof when the file was downloaded with his laptop as he was working away but the leeches are swearing blind there info is correct.

 

Could the microsoft file sharing be a p2p site. The only reason i am asking is l am sharing photos with family members via that system.

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I dont think l have installed it but in my local paper last week there is a articale where these leaches have sent a elderly man a bill for downloading a music file he has never heard of........................................The best bit is he was out of the country with proof when the file was downloaded with his laptop as he was working away but the leeches are swearing blind there info is correct.

 

Could the microsoft file sharing be a p2p site. The only reason i am asking is l am sharing photos with family members via that system.

 

As has been said many times before, a person doesn't have to be at their computer/laptop, even in the Country at the time as file sharing can happen without human intervention. It is also uploading (e.g. making the file available for others to share) that is the offence and not downloading. Under copyright, a file can be downloaded for 24 hours for sampling before being deleted, hence why they are not coming after people for downloading, but uploading.

 

An IP address is like a lock, each person has their own key, but they use the same lock. Even if a person was away at the time with their laptop does not mean the uploading did not occur at the account holders property in their absence using another laptop or desktop.

 

So, nothing that you state could be used as a defence.

 

There is a doubt over the evidence though as IP addresses can be spoofed or hickjacked with the account holders knowledge. There is also the unreliability of the way IP data is collected, P2P web sites that store the links to the files (trackers) add random fake IP addresses into the trackers to ward off anti-P2P companies, etc.

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Even if a person was away at the time with their laptop does not mean the uploading did not occur at the account holders property in their absence using another laptop or desktop.

 

What you say above is true. However, unless the Account holder is PERSONALLY responsible for the 'upload' - or directly authorised someone else to make it - then they are NOT liable under the Act. Under the Act, the Account Holder is not responsible for the activities of others (unless he/she has directly authorised them).

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As has been said many times before, a person doesn't have to be at their computer/laptop, even in the Country at the time as file sharing can happen without human intervention. It is also uploading (e.g. making the file available for others to share) that is the offence and not downloading. Under copyright, a file can be downloaded for 24 hours for sampling before being deleted, hence why they are not coming after people for downloading, but uploading.

 

An IP address is like a lock, each person has their own key, but they use the same lock. Even if a person was away at the time with their laptop does not mean the uploading did not occur at the account holders property in their absence using another laptop or desktop.

 

So, nothing that you state could be used as a defence.

 

There is a doubt over the evidence though as IP addresses can be spoofed or hickjacked with the account holders knowledge. There is also the unreliability of the way IP data is collected, P2P web sites that store the links to the files (trackers) add random fake IP addresses into the trackers to ward off anti-P2P companies, etc.

 

..and on top of that it is quite possible to use your PC as a proxy, (i.e I can quite happily be sitting on a sunny beach on the other side of the world, and yet still remotely log in to my home PC and work on it.), so it would be unwise if someone was just to rely upon a 'I was on holiday' defence.

 

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I dont think l have installed it but in my local paper last week there is a articale where these leaches have sent a elderly man a bill for downloading a music file he has never heard of........................................The best bit is he was out of the country with proof when the file was downloaded with his laptop as he was working away but the leeches are swearing blind there info is correct.

 

Could the microsoft file sharing be a p2p site. The only reason i am asking is l am sharing photos with family members via that system.

 

As pointed out (by me and others), being out of the country would prove nothing. MS File sharing doesn't use P2P, bear in mind P2P by itself isn't illegal, it just happens that the majority of P2P traffic is copyrighted material, but it is used by others for legitimate ues, in fact the early iPlayer used a P2P system but since been ditched, although in common to popular Torrent sites it did stay running in the background 'sharing' stuff that you were (relatively) unaware of.

 

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Sorry if this is a bit of a silly question - I'm new to all of this and I too have received a letter regarding Evacuate the Dance Floor (the work) - but if ACS Law's address is a virtual office, what does that actually mean?? Also, how do they physically get the letters we are sending?

 

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Not really quite sure how it works either, but they definitely receive the letters somehow. I, like others on this forum have received a second letter from them, responding to a LOD that has been sent.

 

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Sorry if this is a bit of a silly question - I'm new to all of this and I too have received a letter regarding Evacuate the Dance Floor (the work) - but if ACS Law's address is a virtual office, what does that actually mean?? Also, how do they physically get the letters we are sending?

 

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It's common practice for small companies to use a virtual office to enable them to have a correspondence address. It's the same as having a PO Box address. Someone on reception will filter calls to ACS, or they may already be diverted to one of their admin staff.

 

We've had posts before where people have turned up at the address to be kept waiting whilst someone willing has been found in the building to face them.

 

Sending them a recorded letter will no doubt find ACS, but it's unlikely to be signed for by one of there own. The new offices and expansion promised last Year to date has failed to materialise....

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Good question!

 

Is this the "monitoring program" ACS:LAW are relying on to provide their "evidence"?!

 

From their website:

 

eyeNet

eyeNet Is a Powerful & Fast Traffic Analayser Featuring DPI - Deep Packet Inspection Technology

 

Google: ng3sys .com

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Not exactly a well known company is it?

 

Just out of curiosity BBC News - EU to assess piracy detection software

if its an infringment of rights for an ISP to do it why is it any different for a private company to use DPI?

 

According to Alexander Hanff, head of ethical networks at Privacy International, use of such software is in breach of current UK law.

Under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (Ripa) intercepting communications is a criminal offence regardless of what you do with the data

 

Surely Mr Crossley, as a 'legal professional' should know this?

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Just out of curiosity BBC News - EU to assess piracy detection software

if its an infringment of rights for an ISP to do it why is it any different for a private company to use DPI?

 

 

 

Surely Mr Crossley, as a 'legal professional' should know this?

 

Possibly, but no one has had access to said evidence and it's never been tested in Court.

 

The use of Deep packet Inspection software is still a grey area. Virgin Media used it to test the depth of the suspected use of their services for illegal activities., but covered themselves by saying that they weren't going to act on anything found.

 

It could be deemed to be a breach of human rights and The DPA as it's the same as The Post Office opening and reading your mail without permission.

 

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