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Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
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I am not sure what to do now to be honest with you.

 

It looks like damage limitation is what you need advice on. I think you will have to stop panicking as I would expect advice to come along in time.

 

Stay positive because from what I understand about your situation they are limited to what they can do anyway.

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With regards to the DN the Judge is quoting CPR 6.26 (as amended October 2008) which treats 1st class post as delivered:

 

The second day after it was posted, left with, delivered to or collected by the relevant service provider provided that day is a business day;

 

which makes delivery Monday.

Pedross

 

Have to disagree Pedross as Citizen B has posted already even 6.26 makes it 2 business days - DN posted the Friday 9th Jan2009 ....6.2b ‘business day’ means any day except Saturday, Sunday, a bank holiday, Good Friday or Christmas Day so it would still be the Tuesday not the MONDAY so the judge messed up big time & is WRONG as he couldnt be bothered to adhere to the laws of the land.

 

So I can't help but panic, I just need to know from my postings #294 what I can do about it though :-x and understandably with only 5/6 business days myself to do it in.......

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Think Pedross is right about not panicking - its not a good frame of mind to think in for one thing! :)

I dont know how much this matters now - as Pedross may be right about damage limitation - but number 4 of Waksman's summary findings says "If an agreement has been varied by the creditor under a unilateral power of variation, the creditor must still provide a copy of the original agreement, as well as the varied terms;" (my emphasis).

As far as I can see, MBNA have provided only the current t&cs (para 23), it would seem that their response was not adequate, as you asserted :mad:

As to whether or not you received a copy of any T&Cs at the time of signing, it is a pity there is a term in your application form confirming that you received these. Of course that's no proof at all that you actually did (its a bit like one of these forms that you have to sign when you get a home delivery saying that the goods have been delivered in good condition when in fact you havent even had a chance to open the box), but it is the kind of thing that they are going to swoop on to justify this kind of decision.

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OK, So youre quite entitled to challenge the judges interpretation of DN delivery, you can appeal it on those grounds, I'd personally make sure the judge knows what your going to do as well, to poke him / her in the eye anyway.

So in the judgement at point 7 , they have put things in the simplest terms, well that may be fine for an uneducated judge, but there lies the conundrum.

There still remains no executed agreement. Yes , you applied, yes you received, but there is still no agreement that has been received that shows that it was correctly executed under CCA statutes.

Point 11, here is a little opening, it states an 'alleged' breach of contract. OK, where is the contract?? IE, the executed agreement, which would allow them to claim a breach of contract????. An application form IS NOT a contract. Its an application for a contract is it not?

Point 12, OK so the judge accepts that Bulk Centre doesnt require the documentation. But now its at local court it most certainly is because youve requested it under CPR rules, Which is what the other side have breached. Until you see sight of this original document, the rest is all heresay.

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Just found this digging around, its from a Next account, but it may give some more debating room for you. "during a recent High Court hearing, McGuffick vs. Royal Bank of Scotland, it was confirmed that firms may record accurate information, including registering a default in relation to an account where no Executed Agreement has been located. Judge Flaux ruled that claimants seeking to prove their credit agreements are unenforceable under the Act are still liable for monies owed, "Whilst an agreement may be deemed unenforceable... (The lenders

rights) will continue to exist but cannot be enforced." It was decided that demanding

payment, issuing a default notice, threatening legal action and instructing a third party to

demand payment or otherwise seek to procure payment, was not enforcement action and is

therefore acceptable. As this was a High Court the judgment is binding on County

Courts.'

 

OK , I read this as, its OK to try and obtain money from you if theire threats work, but they cant seek enforcement, which would leave your small minded deputy judge in a bit of a pickle. You need to do a bit more research here, but maybe a challenge from this angle would work.

 

Added, also this case is for a fixed term loan, so may have no relevance to your case

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I thought the CPR 6 refers to court documents and that the Interpretation Act and subsequent Practice Direction refer to Acts such as the Consumer Credit Act

 

I agree summer and thats what we normally work on. However, the judge has used CPR 6.26 to determine the dates. My understanding is that CPR only comes into effect once court proceedings are commenced.

 

The problem is that he has made his decision, the wrong decision by the look of it, so MDaW needs advice on how to deal with it.

 

We need some experienced posters to give guidance on what to do next. I will try and get some along if others can pass the word around.

 

The obvious thing is that permission to appeal should be requested but on what grounds. One could be that the decision regarding the DN has been made using CPR 6.26 when the time for delivery should be calculated using the Interpretation Act which renders the DN invalid. Is that true?

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Hi MDAW,

Cant really help, but posting to bump it and give you my sympathy and support.

 

If we acted in this way in our jobs, ie. giving duff judgements and taking 6 moths to do so, we would be out of work.

What makes it worse in your case is that the judge seemed so reasonable at the hearing, then went totally against what he told you.

Surely this cant be right.

Best wishes,Pat.

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Bazaar/Pedross/Pabrmu thanks for your well put input.. its appreciated too in this turmoil I am in.

 

I am still at a quandry as to what now tho as I have so clearly been disregarded as this DJ has not kept to the relevant FACTS that should have been followed.

 

To appeal & let this DJ know HOW???? Where now...? I need some postings on here now with that information.

 

Or can somebody from the site change my title to D JUDGE MADE WRONG DECISON WHAT NOW?? In order to attract this knowledge going forward since it is a matter of days away.

 

Thanks for your thoughts everyone....

 

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PH 23 THE judges understanding of s 78 is clearly wrong since they should supply you with the t&c's at the time of the agreement and not just current.

 

Yes the whole judgement is full of flaws!!!

 

I need the N460 is it from scouting about ? Can somebody give me advice on this, also as the judgement is strangely dated Sept 2009 although not received until this week....how does my 21 days in applying for an appeal stand?

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you need to ask the judge leave to apeal, if he refuses then you ask for form N460 that gives the reason for refusal

 

Do I ask on the day, how do I go about this (still going round in circles here) :confused: but on just looking now on the courts of appeal website I take it it is here I do it (LONDON?) http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/1273.htm#contact

 

 

BUT as my judgement is dated Sept....(although not received until this week)....how does my 21 days in applying for an appeal stand?

 

Anybody know more about this area :?:?:?

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If it's the Deputy Judge that has made this decision then you can make an appeal to his superior otherwise it has to be the one in London. To my knowledge. What I find is that you will not get any sympathy with another Judge from the same court since they all sing from the same sheet(not to be confused with same sounding word)

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Could somebody help me please I am still confused with the paperwork I need to start with....also that this judgement is dated Sept but not rec;d by me until 3days ago.

Should I accept Judgement first this Thursday then try to set it aside, I see so many threads with such alot of info to digest I am at a quandry as to what to actually do to get things rolling.

 

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sorry to see you are still in the toils. I dont have any expertise in English legal procedure (wrong jurisdiction). Might be an idea to click the wee red triangle?

 

Hi Seriously fed up.....I have done desperately once a day since receiving this outcome since I had only 9 days to deal with it (4days now) guess they are inundated with requests at present so I am beginning to think I should just accept this outcome :sad:.

 

So what exactly happens now at this judgement hearing on Thursday? What do I take with me? :sad: What should I expect from it?

 

Lets hope todays a brighter day for me in this mess I am in.

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I dont know the answer to this Humbleman - its why I am posing the question - because I dont have any court experience in England (not my jurisdiction), and I know your situation varies from Westie's because you got the judgement handed down "face to face" as it were" whereas Westie had to wait for the judgement to arrive. But what would your view be on how she should react to the judgement when she sees the judge this week? From what she says she was misled by his comments at the previous hearing - should she make this clear to him? Should she seek leave to appeal the decision there and then? Or - as you are doing - get an idea of costs and then look at putting in an appeal?

Westie, did you click the red triangle and get someone from the site team to look at this one? If not, then do it

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From what she says she was misled by his comments at the previous hearing - should she make this clear to him? Should she seek leave to appeal the decision there and then? Or - as you are doing - get an idea of costs and then look at putting in an appeal?

Westie, did you click the red triangle and get someone from the site team to look at this one? If not, then do it

 

Ask there and then to appeal.

 

There now needs to be a section on the site to deal specifically with Appeals-process.

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I dont know the answer to this Humbleman - its why I am posing the question - because I dont have any court experience in England (not my jurisdiction), and I know your situation varies from Westie's because you got the judgement handed down "face to face" as it were" whereas Westie had to wait for the judgement to arrive. But what would your view be on how she should react to the judgement when she sees the judge this week? From what she says she was misled by his comments at the previous hearing - should she make this clear to him? Should she seek leave to appeal the decision there and then? Or - as you are doing - get an idea of costs and then look at putting in an appeal?

Westie, did you click the red triangle and get someone from the site team to look at this one? If not, then do it

 

If you do ask for leave to appeal, remember to ask for the N460 from the DJ. This does not mean that you will or have to appeal, but if you decide to appeal you will need this form. It gives the DJs reasons for refusing or granting an appeal.

 

Your questions are spot on Seriously fed up but feel I cannot mither the site team anymore than I have done already. They are the questions I do need to know to go forward.

 

I dont know what will happen this Thurs when I turn up. Should I be taking stuff with me if I do get the same DJ as to why he should let me appeal; and in what format do I present this if anything :confused:. Do I accept the hand thats been dealt me then go from there?

 

cymruambyth - leave to appeal, so should I be preparing evidence again ready for the day. Still confused on this not so merry roundabout I have not stepped off yet.

 

I have never started any of these actions only them never accepting my £20mth payplan payments like my other creditors. The judge also was told I had tried to do my best but was only in court as they had made me now wanted them to disclose docs & this dn was not giving me the time to rectify matters.

 

It worries me now as my Income has massively fallen this last year how can they get anymore of something I dont have, I also have costs to bear now in addition & feel disappointed to have been let down so badly by the justice system which has clearly not been upheld.

 

It just doesnt seem fair.

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cymruambyth - leave to appeal, so should I be preparing evidence again ready for the day. Still confused on this not so merry roundabout I have not stepped off yet.

 

 

 

you won't be able to prepare any evidence/argument until you have heard th Judgment. IMO there is very little you can do until the judgment is handed down.

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