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    • Honestly you are all amazing on this site, thank you so much for your help and time. ill keep an eye out and only return when i receive a claim letter for sure also, i updated my address with amex and tsb before i even missed payments. the initial address was my family home but i dont reside there. to avoid a bombardment of letters there i have now updated my address, will they send all threats etc to the new address? Or old address?   do you reccomend i send both tsb and amex my update in address via a letter?
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    • I see, shame, I think if a claim is 'someone was served' then proof of that should be mandatory. Appreciate your input into the WS whenever you get chance, thanks in advance
    • Paper trail off the original creditor often confirms the default and issue of a notice...not having or being able to disclose the actual copy or being able to produce a copy less so. Creditors are not compelled to keep copies of the actual default notice so you will in most cases get a reconstituted version but must contain accurate figures/dates/format.     .    
    • Including Default Notice Andy? Ok, I think this is the best I can do.. it all makes sense with references to their WS. They have included exhibits that dates don't match the WS about them, small but still.. if you're going to reference letters giving dates, then the exhibits should be correct, no? I know I redacted them too much, but one of the dates differs to the WS by a few months. IN THE ******** County Court Claim No. [***] BETWEEN: LC Asset 2 S.A.R.L CLAIMANT AND [***] DEFENDANT ************ _________________________ ________ WITNESS STATEMENT OF [***] _________________________ ________ I, [***], being the Defendant in this case will state as follows; I make this Witness Statement in support of my defence in this claim. 1. I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much-reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already written off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimant’s witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights. This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information). The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 2. The Claim relates to an alleged Credit Card agreement between the Defendant and Bank of Scotland plc. Save insofar of any admittance it is accepted that the Defendant has had contractual agreements with Bank of Scotland plc in the past, the Defendant is unaware as to what alleged debt the Claimant refers. 3. The Defendant requested a copy of the CCA on the 24/12/2022 along with the standard fee of £1.00 postal order, to which the defendant received a reply from the Claimant dated 06/02/2023. To this date, the Claimant has failed to disclose a valid agreement and proof as per their claim that this is enforceable, that Default Notice and Notice of Assignment were sent to and received by the Defendant, on which their claim relies. The Claimant is put to strict proof to verify and confirm that the exhibit *** is a true copy of the agreement and are the true Terms and Conditions as issued at the time of inception of the online application and execution of the agreement. 4. Point 3 is noted. The Claimant pleads that a default notice has been served upon the defendant as evidenced by Exhibit [***]. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 5. Point 6 is noted and disputed. The Defendant cannot recall ever having received the notice of assignment as evidenced in the exhibit marked ***. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 6. Point 11 is noted and disputed. See 3. 7. Point 12 is noted, the Defendant doesn’t recall receiving contact where documentation is provided as per the Claimants obligations under CCA. In addition, the Claimant pleads letters were sent on dates given, yet those are not the letters evidenced in their exhibits *** 8. Point 13 is noted and denied. Claimant is put to strict proof to prove allegations. 9. The Claimant did not provide a true copy of the CCA in response to the Defendants request of 24/12/2022. The Claimant further claims that the documents are sufficient to pursue a Judgement and are therefore copies of original documents in their possession. Conclusion 10. Without the Claimant providing a valid true copy of the executed Credit agreement that complies with the CCA, the Claimant has no grounds on which to enforce this alleged debt. 11. The Defendant was not given ample evidence to prove the debt and therefore was not required to enter settlement negotiations. Should the debt be proved in the future, the Defendant is willing to enter such negotiations with the Claimant. On receipt of this claim I could not recall the precise details of the agreement or any debt and sought clarity from the claimant by way of a Section 78 request. The Claimant failed to comply. I can only assume as this was due to the Claimant not having any enforceable documentation and issuing a claim in hope of an undefended default judgment.   Statement of Truth I, ********, the Defendant, believe the facts stated within this Witness Statement to be true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in it’s truth. Signed: _________________________ _______ Dated: _____________________
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Hi,

I researched the Default Notice.

 

The copy of the default notice they sent me, which I received Thur 12th Feb 2015 has all identifying information blacked out.

 

The Default Notice I received in June 2009 is dated 27th June 2009 (Saturday) and date to be paid 'before 11th July 2009'.

 

Now I could not receive this letter until minimum 29th June 2009 and 14 days to pay is 13th July 2009.

 

Does this help me in my court defence?

 

Or can I go for unlawful recission?

 

Gill

 

 

generally, unlawful rescission isnt really applicable.

depending on how the dj interprets things, a defective def notice may need to have more than so called 'minor' deficiencies. but, is worth mentioning and arguing in addition.

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Fair enough...have you not received a general order since the hearing stating what each party must now do?

 

Start by bringing their original particulars forward...I take it you have not had any response to your initial defence...apart from their WS in support of the SJ application?

 

Hi,

No I have not had a general order yet, courts said it would take about 2 weeks.

I don't understand with what you mean in 'Start by bringing their original particulars forward'-(edited, I see you have done this above, but what for?)

 

 

I have received WS and application form, default notice and notice of assignment, terms and conditions for 2004, and current terms and conditions, and statements.

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Hi

Is there anyone who can help me?

 

Over the past years when I have asked for help I did wait, patiently, i had the time then.

But on this occasion I am pushed for time to sort out a defence,

and could do with some feedback for a defence to put in.

 

I have read the dca successes and most of them have been struck out of court or claim discontinued, this is not happening in this case.

 

Am I going to lose this?

do they have a case to win?

is this why i'm not getting feedback

 

Sorry for rant but i'm stressed- I thought it was going ok, but obviously it isn't

 

why is no one talking to me?

 

sad gill

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Thank you Ford,

Why did I need to do that? I don't understand

Gill

 

Because their particulars are all you need to prepare a defence...that is if you are required to submit a defence or whether you need to submit a witness statement...which we are not sure yet...hence my earlier requesting if you had received any order.

 

The norm is to submit a witness statement...that is what you should have done for the last hearing ( application for SJ)

 

A witness statement is completely different to a defence...so until you can confirm (ring the court) it is impossible to advise on how you should respond.

We could do with some help from you.

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you have until the 28th ,

however, we understand you want to get this sorted by the 24th.

so still have 7 days.

 

 

this needs to be done properly and by those with the correct knowledge.

 

 

did the judge indicate that because you brought up the T&C's 8.2 issue

[when it was not in your defence as above] that was unfair

and you had to go away and revise it to include that?

 

 

or was it something else the judge said.

 

 

if a defence rewrite, we can work on that

if its a WQ etc you need to do

that's beyond me.

 

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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ah good andy has answered

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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The claimant claims the sum of £13k for debt and interestlink3.gif.

 

 

On the 01.04.2004 the defendant entered into an agreement with AA personal finance ltd for a credit card ref no 9999.

On the 01.11.2009 the defendant defaulted on the agreement with outstanding balance of £12k

the debt was assigned to st creditlink3.gif for the sum of £12k.

Notice of assignment was sent to defendant in accordance with S.136 law of property act 1925. and

claimant claims

1. the sum of 1£2k

2. Statutory interest pursuant to section 69 of the county courtlink3.gif act 1984 at a rate of 8%

per annum from 01.07.2013 to 01.08.2014 £1000.00 and 2.49 daily rate until judgement or sooner payment.

My attempt at a defence?:

The application form is not a consumer credit agreement. It is not signed by them.

They refer to the form as an application form not an agreement in their WS.

The terms and conditions enclosed in their WS were not present at the time of signing. These were only available after many requests for them. They are undated, so no proof as to when they were created.

The default notice is incorrect, it does not give 2 weeks to pay. without a correct default notice the debt cannot be assigned to anyone. Therefore 1st credit cannot make a claim on this account.

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gill forget the above...its as bad as your first......log off now get some rest.....ring the court first thing tomorrow and ask if they are issuing a general order further to the hearing of xxxxxxxx and are you directed to submit a defence (full particularised defence ) or a witness statement in response to the application for summary judgment.

 

Once that is confirmed...we wont waste any time and a suitable draft can be put together in time.

 

Regards

 

Andy

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It is a defence that is needed, she said put everything down that I wish to be brought up

 

 

Thats just my point ...you dont put everything into a defence....that is a witness statement were you expand into detail.

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I know Ford said the default notice was ok, but they only sent me 'template copy', I have the default notice. I don't think they realise the dates are wrong or that I have the default notice.

So I will use this in my defence.

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go ring the court and ask!!

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I know Ford said the default notice was ok, ......

 

 

re post#74, i said depends on the judge on the day. the judge might adopt the so called 'de minimis' principle, or even see it as served in time, as seen in some other cases.

but could still mention it in addition.

is there anything else wrong with def notice?

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re post#74, i said depends on the judge on the day. the judge might adopt the so called 'de minimis' principle, or even see it as served in time, as seen in some other cases.

but could still mention it in addition.

is there anything else wrong with def notice?

 

Dx I don't think so I will check tonight.

I couldn't ring court I was at work and details at home and my husband has to ring anyway. I can get him to ring tomorrow am,

Gill

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should of organised that last night rather that keep faffing around like you were.

 

 

concentrate on what needs to be done

not worry about the might's and if's

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I wouldn't waste anytime on 'errors' with a default notice

as long as 'one' was sent - that's about the only thing worth arguing about.

 

 

you're main issue I can see is the 8.2 issue

 

 

they cant send a CCA return and not the correct T&C's to go with it.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi,

I have looked at the terms and conditions I have been sent

 

 

there is a bullet point referencing 8.2 which relates to the point raised on the application form.

 

 

But the terms and conditions do not have a reference or link to the agreement,

they are just typed out,

no proper headings ie 'AA' or Bank of Scotland on them.

Is that useful.

 

I found an old file with AA statements (on pc) and in their I had scanned an update to terms and conditions which had AA on it

and the account number and the AA yellow across it, making it no doubt that it was for the account.

 

I may not be able to get back on here until tomorrow evening,

but will post when I find out about court order tomorrow

gill

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forget about any old paperwork you have

 

 

any paperwork relating to the claim and of ref must come from the claimant or the sols

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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