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    • I'm at work now but promise to look in later. Can you confirm how you paid the first invoice?  It wasn't your fault if the signal was so poor and there was no alternative way to pay.  There must be a chance of reversing the charge with your bank.  There are no guarantees but Kev  https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/09766749/officers  has never had the backbone to do court so far.  Not even in one case,  
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    • Thank you. Such a good point. They did issue all 3 before I paid though. I only paid one because I didn’t have proof of parking that time, only for two others.    Unfortunately no proof of my appeal as it was just submitted through a form on their website and no copy was sent to me. I only have the reply. I believe I just put something like “we made the honest mistake of using the incorrect parking area on the app” and that’s it. Thanks again for your help. 
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    • Jasowter I hope that common sense prevails with Iceland and the whole matter can be successfully ended. I would perhaps not have used a spell checker just to prove the dyslexia 🙂 though it may have made it more difficult to read. I noticed that you haven't uploaded the original PCN .Might not be necessary if the nes from Iceland is good. Otherwise perhaps you could get your son to do it by following the upload instructions so that we can appeal again with the extra ammunition provided by the PCN. Most of them rarely manage to get the wording right which means that you as the keeper are not liable to pay the charge-only the driver is and they do not know the name and address of the driver. So that would put you both in the clear if the PCN is non compliant.
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I was thinking about things in general, as you do, when this question popped into my head:

 

Suppose, as a debtor, you defend yourself against court action by a creditor on the basis of an unenforceable agreement. The judge then finds that the agreement is enforceable and you lose the case.

 

Would you then get an immediate CCJ for the amount that the creditor is pursuing you for or does the creditor just get a jugement that the agreement is enforceable and the creditor then has to pursue a further action to recover the money?

 

In other words if the agreement itself is in question does the creditor have to get an enforcement order first and then pursue the money or is the enforcement order and the money judgement one and the same?

 

Any legal minds care to cast an opinion?

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is the enforcement order and the money judgement one and the same?

 

Yes, it's one and the same.

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I was thinking about things in general, as you do, when this question popped into my head:

 

Suppose, as a debtor, you defend yourself against court action by a creditor on the basis of an unenforceable agreement. The judge then finds that the agreement is enforceable and you lose the case.

 

Would you then get an immediate CCJ for the amount that the creditor is pursuing you Yes for or does the creditor just get a jugement that the agreement is enforceable and the creditor then has to pursue a further action to recover the money? No because the question of whether its enforcable or not is secondary to the summons amount and challanged in your defence.All part and parcel of the same claim

In other words if the agreement itself is in question does the creditor have to get an enforcement order first and then pursue the money No or is the enforcement order and the money judgement one and the same? yes

 

Any legal minds care to cast an opinion?

 

 

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loads to ask

1) if the creditor has stretched the truth a bit how can I get the judge to listen to me?

2) If the creditor has served a default notice can they still charge 2 extra monthly payments?

3) if the creditor has relied on the CCA 1974 section 87(1) then at what point would the contract cease to be covered by the CCA ( when I tried to argue my points under the CCA they claimed it was a commercial contract)?

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loads to ask

1) if the creditor has stretched the truth a bit how can I get the judge to listen to me?

2) If the creditor has served a default notice can they still charge 2 extra monthly payments?

3) if the creditor has relied on the CCA 1974 section 87(1) then at what point would the contract cease to be covered by the CCA ( when I tried to argue my points under the CCA they claimed it was a commercial contract)?

 

 

casbah u might be better off putting a link to ur thread if u have one or starting one if u havent, u will get more specific help that way

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