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The claim includes statutory interest under S.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from the date of assignment to the date of the issue of these proceedings in the sum of £49.15 The Claimant claims the sum of £972 What is the total value of the claim? £1112 Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? I dont know the details of the PAPDC to know if it was pursuant to paragraph 3, but I did receive a Letter of Claim with a questionaire/form to fill. Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? no Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Assigned/purchaser Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? I was aware, I'm not certain I received a 'Notice of Assignment' from Capital One but may have been informed the account had been sold without such a title on the letter? Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Yes Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Not since the debt purchase, and not from Capital One. Why did you cease payments? I can't remember - it was the tail end of the pandemic and I may not have had enough income to keep up payments - I am self-employed and work in the event industry - at that time. I also had a bank account that didn't allow direct debits and may have just forgotten payments and became annoyed at fines for late payments. What was the date of your last payment? Appears to be 20/4/2022 Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No Here is my Defence: Defence - 1. The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are vague and generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. I have in the past had an agreement with Capital One but do not recognise this specific account number or recollect any outstanding debt and have therefore requested clarification by way of a CPR 31.14 and section 78 request.. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. I am unaware of having been served with a Default Notice pursuant to the Consumer Credit Act 1974. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. I am unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment pursuant to the Law and Property Act 1925 Section 136(1) 5. The Defendant has sent a request by way of a section 78 pursuant to the Consumer Credit Act 1974, for a copy of the agreement, the Claimant has yet to comply and remains in default of said request. 6. A further request has been made via CPR 31.14 to the Claimants solicitor, requesting disclosure of documents on which the Claimant is basing their claim. The Claimant has not complied and to date nothing has been received. 7. It is therefore not accepted with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant and the Claimant is put to strict proof to: a) show how the Defendant has entered into an agreement and; b) show how the Claimant has reached the amount claimed for and; c) show the nature of the breach and evidence by way of a Default Notice pursuant to sec 88 CCA1974 d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim 8. As per Civil Procedure 16.5 it is expected that the claimants prove the allegation that the money is owed 9. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of section 136 of the Law of Property Act and section 82A of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 10. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief. .................. Please note that I had to write a defence quite quickly as I hit the deadline. At the time of writing the defence, I hadn't been able to find correspondence from Capital One, but had since found default letter etc. I submitted CCA request and CPR 31.14. However, I didn't get any proof of postage or use registered post for the CPR (an oversight) but did with the CCA request. I received a pack which included a letter from Overdales, going over the defence I'd filed, as well as letters of Lowells and reprints of letters from Capital One. But I have no idea if this pack is in response to the CCA request or the CPR ! I would have expected two separate responses ... although I do know they are both the same company. Looking over the pack today, and looking through old emails .. I find some discrepancies in the Capital One default letters (notice of default and Claim of default). They are both dated *before* an email I have stating that a default can be avoided. The one single page of agreement sent (so not the full agreement) has a 16 digit number at the top in small print, next to 'Capital One' which corresponds to a number called 'PURN' printed at the top of each of the 10 pages of ins and outs of the account (they're not official statements, but a list of monthly goings) yet no mention anywhere on either of the account number. I cant really scan them at the moment - I can later tomorrow, but that will be after the mediation call I'm sure. I guess I may be on my own for this mediation ... I am not certain the CCA request has been satisfied .. or if the CPR has been . And then I appear to have evidence that the Default notices provided are fabricated ? Yet, I do have (elsewhere ... not at home) Default letters from Capital One I can check ..
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In January of this year, we were in court for a claim that I had taken against them for loss of earnings, filing fees, accrued interest, monthly management fees, solicitors costs etc etc etc.... The total amount claimed was £14,884.54 but the judge at the time took into account the fees that would be added as we were part way through the month, Total awarded was £15,000.00. This was to be credited to the mortgage account, rather than being handed as "cash" to us....

 

With that being done, our monthly payments were to be recalculated to show this change in balance. As we are on interest only, less balance equals less interest ergo less per month, or so its supposed to.

 

It took them till September and 4 more court hearings to get them to act on it.

 

Because we had been paying the amount of £745.16 since the order was issued, and the new payment was deemed to be £412.67. We had "overpaid" by £332.49 per month over none months, this was deemed to be £2,992.41. But they had also taken a direct debit twice in August of £1,30.16. They agreed to refund this direct debit. A total of £4,022.57.

 

This they had decided to be refunded to us, with interest. Equating to £4,334.72.

 

That was done according to the letter on 5th September 2008. We received this letter on the 15th September 2008. We were due in court on the 19th September for being £3,840.00 in arrears( due to lost payments), a hearing which they told us they had cancelled... and the rest as they say is history....

 

We were ordered on 17th October 2008, by a judge in a different court, taht after reading the case file, the costs awarded ( in his opinion) to high and ordered us to refund the amount of £7,000.00 within 28 days....

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So in that case even if costs were reduced they should have amended the mortgage the other way and then just increased the payment due?

 

Not just asked you for the costs ?

 

 

Also I would say totally unfair for the court to say that you could not borrow for the £7000 even if it was not adjusted on the mortgage as it was costs not technically arrears?

 

Do you see where I am coming from?

 

I am checking on my other site but the comment on the FOS ceiling does not seem right - they thought £100000

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we are checking and will come back to you.

 

Is this a first charge on your house? Not a second charge?

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Did you get a court order im sorry this could have been avoided your solicitor should have known There is a Master who sits in the high cort from 10 to 4.00 for emercency applications

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I think that you should make an application to the court for a stay of action by the mortgage comapny and associated people while the mortgage comapny account for all monies on your mortgage, this meens that they have to come to court and explain all the money they have taken from you and how it has benn allocated can give you chapter and verse if needed

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Yes i got the court order.... whether that will stop them, lordy only knows....

 

as for the costs............. Sense at last....... every one I have spoken to says that......... And as for the borrowing, they ( friends, family etc etc) ask where on earth the judge expected me to get the money, if I didnt borrow it.....

 

The £7,000.00 was ordered to be refunded by me, and we were in court on the 24th October to see if we could get it added to the balance of the mortgage and carry on as normal basically.....But the judge said that as we had previously been in arrears ( not my fault they cant allocate payments) the increased balance would cause my "cmi" to increase causing a greater likelihood of future arrears. But borrowing the money would cause me to be in debt and the mortgage "cmi" would not get paid. As i could not provide a PROVEABLE guarantee that arrears would not occur in the future, they possession warrant was to stand.

 

This was our only mortgage/loan....... there was no second charge or anything like it on the house. We were looking at going down that route for the £7,000.00 but we didnt have the time, hence out friend offering to help....

 

Does any of this make actual sense? I am taking my brother to court today to start his fight, so I will see what I need to do ( without my solicitor for the moment) to get before a master....

 

I am starting to see the light..... Bona is that you with the bright light showing me the way?....;)

 

I will inform my solicitor of my intentions and what I decide to do, he will just have to do as he's told, rather than what he wants.....

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Hiya peeps

 

God this gets worse.....

 

Court order was only to stop THAT removal yesterday apparently.....

 

I have just had a phone call from my neighbours saying the removals men are back.... Tried to enforce the court order and got told, that there is no court order to enforce..... Court order issued last night was just a temporary thing........

 

I really want to swear, but i can't.......

 

I am ready to give up now.... I cant take much more of this.......:Cry:

 

Court told me to contact my mortgage lender to get them to agree a "stay of procedure" which they wont. ALready tried.. Have asked for a redemtion figure, they dont really want to give it to me, but they said they will....

 

HELP!!!! Wood for trees is definitely happening

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I think you need to speak to the court again, clearly somebody needs their knuckles rapped, I thought a court order of that type was for an indefinate period - get the court to clarify their position on this.

 

Also report the two guys removing goods as theft to the local police, they are going against the court order - they may be telling porkies to get their cut. I think the line being taken here is that if you have any personal possessions in the property you could go back and retake posession, if they are gone your claim is lessened.

 

Get somebody senior in the court to contact all parties pronto and tell them to stop until XXX date (ask for 6 month stay of ALL action by third parties).

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I think now I have my head round what I think - but I am not a legal expert.

 

In summary the Mortgage company took you to court for non existant arrears and got a suspended possession order.

 

Then all the errors were found - it went back to court and you were awarded £15000 costs which the MC applied to reduce your mortgage and therefore your MP - so then you were OP and in advance/credit with your mortgage.

 

The mortgage company took you back to court about the amount of costs - the judge ruled in their favour nd said you had to give them £7000 in costs back - but they owed you some OP so that reduced the amount owed.

 

Now in my eyes they should have put the mortgage debt back up and even if they backdated it you would still be a little in advance.

 

I can not see the problem in you borrowing for the costs as you NEVER had the £15000 you were awarded against them in your hands!

 

If I am right on the above - you can meet all your MP and you are not in arrears.

 

If I was in your position I would make sure your solicitor is doing a letter or arranging court hearings - so that all parties ( MC /SOL /ESTATE agents ) know that the whole possession is in dispute. Also they do not have ownership of your goods in the house .

 

Can someone please pm ELL-ENN and ask for her opinion as I am out of my depth here and I am not allowed pm facility .

 

I am still checking about FOS responsibility but this is now an urgent legal matter - and you do need full statements of costs and charges urgently. I would write recorded and ask again for those as if this does come to court the judge will not look favourably if they do not provide you with what you need.

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Update... but it doesnt get any better really.....

 

It has now been decided that although the court order is temporary, it is temporary to the point of the next hearing. ( solicitor has a printed copy)....

 

So it has been reported as a burglary to police, who advise that will attend as a priority, but not as a blue light emergency... for ****** sake....

 

They are now on scene allegedly....

 

ooooooh sorry was mid update when Redstone started ringing me.....

 

Apparently court order or not, their contractors have been given clear and firm instructions to carry on clearing the property. I can take stuff from them as they take it out of the house, but according to reports from neighbours, there would be little point as they are not dismantling the stuff they are quite literally destroying it.........

 

Although redstone deny all knowledge of this, as they do not cause damage hey justr remove stuff........

 

Police aren't happy about this and have advised them to stop, but are carrying regardless.... apparently the police are now scratching their heads about the best way forward........

 

Giving up is now not an option..... I have made far too many phone calls and spoke to far too many bar stewards to give up now........ only 9 days to hearing....... cant come quick enough for me.....

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Can someone please pm ELL-ENN and ask for her opinion as I am out of my depth here and I am not allowed pm facility .

 

 

Ell-enn is away until Friday night anyone else who can help?

Please note: I have no qualifications in this area and any advice offered is given in good faith.

 

 

http://www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/publications/Ombudsman-news/40/40_setoff.htm

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Unfortunately this will take a long time to read and I have posted the bit about chattels.

 

I think really the poster needs to get his solicitor or the court to advise all involved to hold fire - that is if the solicitor is going to fight against the whole possession ?

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I have just checked the FOS site and it says they should help with mortgage complaints. If you have the original mortgage papers that should tell you who to complain to . Also a call to the Council of mortgage Lenders may shed some light who could intervene.

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Ordered to Leave Your Home

 

When a Repossession Order has been issued you still have rights to protect and a better future to secure. Since the Lender will desire a fast sale to recoup as much money as quickly as possible, repossessed properties are often undervalued by lenders and under-marketed by agents. You need to make sure the lenders get the best possible price for your property to ensure as much of the debt as possible can be paid off.

 

Make sure you:

  • Find out the exact date the property was given to the Estate Agents to handle.
  • Ensure the property has been cleaned and the garden tidied.
  • That a 'For Sale' sign has been erected. Take a photograph of the property if there isn't a sign (preferably with a date stamp).
  • Visit the agents to check your property is in the window or at least displayed inside.
  • If it is not displayed ask about the availability of properties where it is located. If you are shown yours, show interest and ask for a copy of the same sales particulars. If they don't show yours just get the name of the sales person for future reference.
  • Check the sales particulars in comparison with others for positive selling points. They may have neglected to mention "No Chain" or "Vacant Possession". If they have, then the case for under-marketing grows stronger as Estate Agents tend to cite this as one of the best selling points for a property.
  • Check the value of the property against similar properties in your area.

If the property has been undervalued you can ask the courts for an injunction to prevent the sale. This can be done at any time before the completion date. Lenders have a legal responsibility to get the best price for the property that can reasonably be obtained. If you think your lender has failed to get a fair price, get advice from a solicitor. You may be entitled to compensation.

It may be possible to stop the sale if you can raise the money to pay off your debts soon after the eviction. If you want to do this, you need to act quickly. You have to apply for an injunction to stop the sale of your home while the arrangements are made. If contracts are exchanged with a buyer before you do this, you can't stop the sale from going ahead.

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The bailiffs won't remove any of your furniture or belongings unless the court has decided they should do so. The bailiffs will usually watch while you do this yourself. If you don't remove your belongings, they will be left locked inside. You will need to make arrangements with your lender or freeholder to collect them later. You normally have to remove everything within a short period of time, for example, two weeks. If you can't do so and don't make other arrangements, your lender or freeholder may be able to dispose of them.

If you can raise funds or your situation has changed and you may be able to pay off the arrears seek advice immediately as you may be able to stop the repossession.

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Hi jansus...

 

Just been reading your posts on the tide turner threads......

 

What do you mean by "debts" does that mean the actual mortgage balance itself or any arrears......

 

I have been trying to get a breakdown from the mortgage company and I have also sent a SAR.. just waiting for a (written) response....

 

Oh update, apparently the police arrested four men and impounded two vans, arresting under the charge of Theft, criminal damage and breaking and entering.....

 

Whether any of it will stick I have no idea.....

 

But we shall see....

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sorry which post?

 

Do you mean what they can chase you for after sale?

 

basically if there is negative equity after house sale - they can chase for all monies owing for up to 12 years?

The fact is they will now be adding all sorts of costs regarding sale etc - which is why if your solicitor is going to challenge whole possession you need details of what is going on?

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Stopping a sale due to a change in circumstances

 

It may be possible to stop the sale if you can raise the money to pay off your debts soon after the eviction. If you want to do this, you need to act quickly; and apply for an injunction to stop the sale of your home while the arrangements are made. If contracts are exchanged with a buyer before you do this, you can't stop the sale from going ahead.

 

 

I would really appreciate if you could define "debts" is that mortgage balance or any arrears that they claim, including fees etc etc....

 

I only ask because we agreed to pay the 2nd amount they requested on the day of eviction ( just over £14,000.00) but they refused...

 

£14 000.00 was not part of the order...... but we agreed to pay it just to get rid of them basically....

 

Basically I am asking are they wrong in refusing this, or do I need to wait for the details of the SAR and the figures.. or do I offer the £14000.00 again?

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Now that I am not sure of as it will depend on what the company have asked for. In the small print most companies can call in the whole loan if they want to. However in the circumstances with the new protocol and government guidelines they should really accept any arrears.

 

but where did the figure of £14000 come from ? Why did they ask for that?

 

I think you have to go back to basics - from what you are saying your mortgage has not been in arrears?

 

these figures are from court costs from their errors?

 

So why should you pay anything?

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I just dont get it - if they paid the 15000 off your mortgage they could have had the 7000 back in costs by increasing your mortgage again and you still would have owed less than the original mortgage?

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