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    • in order for us to help you we require the following information:- Which Court have you received the claim from ? Canterbury If possible please scan redact and upload a full page copy of page 1 of the claim form. ( Name of the Claimant ? Moneybarn No 1   How many defendant's  joint or self ? One Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to. 29/05/24 Acknowledged by 14/06/24  Defence by 29/06/24  Particulars of Claim PARTICULARS OF CLAIM   1.  By a Conditional Sale Agreement in writing made on 25th August 2022. Between the Claimant and Defendant, the Claimant let to the Defendant on Conditional Sale. A Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi (200 P S) 4x4 Wildtrack  Double Cab Pickup 3200cc (Sep.2015) Registration No, ******* Chassis number ***************** (“The Vehicle”).  A copy of the agreement is attached   2.  The price of the goods was £15,995.00.  The Initial Rental was £8500.00.  The total charge for credit was £3575.;17 And the balance of £11,070.17 was payable by 59 equal consecutive monthly instalments of £187 63. payable on the 25th of each month.   3.  The following were expressed conditions of the set agreement,   Clause 8: Our Right to End this Agreement  8.1   Subject to sending you the notice as required by law, any of the following events will entitle us to end this Agreement: 8.1.2  You fail to pay the advance payment (if any) or any of the payments as specified on the front page of this agreement or any other sum payable under this Agreement. 8.1.3 If any of the information you have given us before entering into this Agreement or during the term of this Agreement was false 8.1.4 We consider, acting reasonably, that the goods may be in jeopardy or that our rights in the goods may otherwise be prejudiced. 8.1.5 If you die 8.1.6 If a bankruptcy petition is presented against you; if you petition for your own bankruptcy, or make a live arrangement with your creditors or call a meeting of them. 8. 1.7 If in Scotland, you become insolvent or sequestration or a receiver, judicial factor or trustee to be appointed over any of your estate, or effects or suffer an arrestment, charge attachment or other diligence to be issued or levied on any of your estate or effects or suffer any exercise, or threatened exercise of landlords hype hypothec 8.1.8 If you are a partnership, you are dissolved 8.1.9 If the goods are destroyed, lost, stolen and/or treated by the insurer as a total loss in response to an insurance claim. 8.1.10 If we reasonably believe any payment made to us in respect of this Agreement is a proceed of crime. 8.1.11 If steps are taken by us to terminate any other agreement which you have entered into with us.   Clause 9.  Effect of Us Terminating Agreement   9.1 If this Agreement terminates under clause 8 the following will apply 9.1.1 Subject to the rights given to you by law, you will no longer be entitled to possession of the goods and must return them to us to an address as we may reasonably specify, (removing or commencing the removal of any cherished plates) together with a V5 registration certificate, both sets of keys and a service record book. If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate   4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:-   a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement number 756050. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     Thw total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by Firrst class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges ]= 5.  A the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or  alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage.   Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs.   Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024   What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg
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Statutory Demand: Connought Write - We Won't Attend Court **WON+COSTS**


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Hey Guys and Girls,

 

I'm a bit confused and could do with some guidance. First Credit under the guise of their wholly owned subsiduary Connaught collections sent my partner a statutory demand, petition for bankruptcy.

 

The court date was set for the end of the month, and we filled in a set aside and sent Connaught a letter. The letter explained how they had broken the law, harrased my partner and not provided a CCA.

 

Connaught replied to our letter saying they were very sorry and would withdraw their petition. However, the next day we recieved a letter from the court detailign the pending hearing.

 

Yesterday we got a letter from Connaught saying they had been informed about the set aside and were writing to let us know that they would not be attending court.

 

Now my partner had already paid 1000+ to these idiots before I stepped in. Should / can we attend court and get costs back? Can we get the 1000 back?

 

Is this a victory and the end of it or will there be more and can we get our money back?

 

Thanks so much to all of you who have commented throughout this journey, we couldn't have done it without you and the Consumer Action Group...

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Unfortunately, Connaughts/1st Credit are good at issuing S/Ds its a way to intimidate they then write to advise not to turn up. I think if you read Duffersmum's thread they have advised her that they're not turning up tomorrow but she is going ahead and attending and she is claiming costs. The money you have paid you I would say you have said goodbye to this. Apparently it is very much dependent upon the Judge whether they award costs. I was reading one case where the Judge didn't award costs but a couple of others got costs.

 

My daughter's case is on 12th December for the same thing. It is our intention to attend and to apply for costs.

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agree with surprise here, a sneaky trick is to say that they wont be attending and then to turn up.

 

I would definately turn up, take the letter with you that states that they said they wont turn up, I dont think that DJ's like all this sneakiness

Lula

 

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How do we go about setting out the Litigant in person costs? Can we claim for Holiday time taken to submit the set Aside, what about research? Also, how do we claim for court time on the day of the hearing?

 

What evidence / proof should we take beyond the defence we submitted. Is only my partner allowed to attend or can I?

 

Thanks

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ghands - i claimed 10 hours researching the CCA/Involvancy web site, petrol and parking and also postage charges for sending recorded deliveries etc. My costs came in at just over £130 which the nice judge awarded me, however there are people on here who have claimed much more, I wasn't in this to make money, just to stand my ground against these bullies. They sent me a letter saying they were not going to attend, but i went anyway as I wasn't sure they had sent a copy letter to the court. As it transpires, they had sent a copy to the court and the judge wanted to know why I didn't accept their offer to call the whole thing off, I explained that their letter said I was making payments, which I wasn't, he asked if I owed 1st Credit £X and I said, Sir I don't consider I owe them anything as they can't provide the documentation which says I do.

 

It was over in about 2 minutes!

 

I faxed my costs on a piece of paper headed my name v 1st Cretins and the date of the hearing and case number, then put litigant in person, and just listed them. I also sent a copy of the costs to 1st Credit by special delivery a couple of days before the hearing.

 

If I was you i'd turn up and claim reasonable costs, obviously it depends on the judge on the day whether they award you costs, but its always worth a try, we have to hit these DCA's where it hurts, in their pockets!

 

Good luck :)

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Thank you DM for adding this, much appreciated....

 

Head the piece of paper LITIGANT IN PERSON COSTS

 

As an example...

 

10 hours spent researching the Consumer Credit Act @ £9.25 per hour (£9.25 pr hour is the maximum you can charge as a litigant in person)

10 hours spent researching Insolvency Act / Law @ £9.25 per hour

Postage

Parking

Mileage @ 40p per mile....

 

You can use the form in this thread here, but you will need to change the title to ligitant in person costs (reproduced courtesy of Surfaceagentx20)

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collection-industry/156641-capquest-statutory-demand-help-4.html#post1765170

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Hey guys, this arrived a bit late as the hearing is tomorrow. I would have faxed the form today, but the site has been down for me. Will taking the form be of any use or is that it?

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Hey guys,

 

I didn't want to post anything here until this was close to being resolved, but the day after the above post, we went to court and won the set aside and the judge suggested we should claim costs.

 

We hadn't followed the standard procedure to claim , so First Credit were given the option to argue the amount the judge awarded (not if they should pay), but if they wanted to they needed to attend a hearing in leeds with the Judge and ourselves.

 

That day has now come and gone and First Credit havn't paid as the judge has ordered them to. We are due costs of just over £200 and I intend to issue a CCJ later today.

 

On top of that, we recieved a very threatening letter from what looks like another subsidiary of First Credit, Scott Hall Collections, saying that unless my partner pays the alledged debt in seven days they will send round baliffs.

 

In my last letter to First, I warned them that any action by subsidiaries would be classed as vexaious action by them, and suggested that any correspondance other than to provide a valid CCa ( the stat period lapsed last april) was illegal.

 

I also outlined a series of costs for any unsolicited correspondance or threats that were sent by First / cronies and I now want to charge them based on the costs I have outlined. Can I claim this money through moneyclaim online.

 

Anyway, I am just off to request a CCJ, could and admin move this to DCA Legal Success ?

 

Thanks EVERYONE here who helped, we couldnt have done it without you, staff, moderators, viewers etc!

 

I'm not stopping here - I intend to squeeze First Credit until they back off with this illegal harrassement.

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That should bugger up there credit file once the ccj is issued is in down to the other side to mark it paid as satisfactory(i wont bother) also if you get a CCJ against them dont forget to inform the credit ref agency and see how quick they are to add that one!!

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If a judge has ordered them to pay and they haven't complied that is the same as a CCJ. Take advice from the court but the next step may well be to instruct bailiffs. Don't worry these people will be court staff and they know how to behave.

 

You say these cretins are still writing to you and this is a matter that should be reported to the statutory authorities - the OFT and Trading Standards. If I were youI would write to the address shown on Scott Hall's letter and ask them for their complaints procedure. Failing to provide that means you can go straight to the Financial Services Ombudsman with a very legitimate complaint. An investigation by the FOS will cost these twerps at least £400, possibly more.

 

I don't think you can make your charges stick though.

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If the courts have awarded you the money call the courts and tell them they have not paid and you would like a CCJ registered against them and that you would like the baliffs to call on them but get the CCJ done first may affect there credit rating also if you have a CCJ registered i would write to the company that owned the debt first and ask them why do you use DCA's with CCJ's registered against them

That should be fun dont you have to be solvent to hold a DCA licence and Credit consumer licence if thats the case get them revoked

also if they dont pay petition for bankrupcie thats another good one there name in the local rag

Regards DK

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Well, they paid today, surprise surprise, sick of the correspondance from people like Scott Hall who are blatently owned by First. So, I'm going after them now... they just don't seem to learn regarding breaking the law and harrassing my

partner and myself.

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