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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Sent my S.A.R off last night but i dont know what i should do now as i got an N1 in the post today i got 14 days to respond what do i do now :confused:

 

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Hi Pompeyfaith,

If you intend to defend the claim then you must file an acknowledgment of service ASAP. This allows you a further 14 days (28 days from date of service) to prepare your defence. The accompanying N9B form is the one you use for this. Others far more knowledgable will be along shortly I'm sure...but that is your first step if you have grounds to defend.

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You need to be sure that you've got your dates right in respect of when the AoS and defence needs to be filed. For example, if you receive a Court claim with an issue date of the 12th July 2008, you are given 5 days for service (delivery) so that takes you to the 17th July. You then have a further 14 days to file your AoS and if you need a further 14 days to file the defence, that is available to you. So in all, you get 33 days in total. If you are unsure, either post up the issue date here, or ring the Court ASAP, the number is on the front of the claim form, on the right hand side tiny print.

With regards to your intentions and if you intend defending then you need to do CPR 18 request again ASAP and give them 14 days to respond.Subject to their complience this will form the basis of your defence beit an holding defence or final.

 

I trust the above is of help

 

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Here is the CPR 18 request

 

In the XXXX County Court

Claimant -v- (YOUR NAME)

Claim Number: (CLAIM NUMBER)

 

 

Dear XXX

 

REQUEST FOR INFORMATION CPR 18

 

I have received a recent court claim from your organisation. In order to file a defence and counter claim I require some information. Given that this matter is now the subject of legal proceedings, you are obliged to disclose under the Civil Procedure Rules, the information and documents detailed below.

 

The information must be furnished within fourteen days of the receipt of this letter. If you fail to comply, this will be reported to the Court, a copy of this letter will be provided as evidence to the same and an Order enforcing your compliance will be sought.

 

1. A true copy of the executed credit agreement and any terms and conditions that applied to the account at the time of default and at the time the account was opened. True copies of any notice of assignment and/or default notice or enforcement notice that you or the original creditor sent me, with a copy of any proof of postage that you hold.

 

 

1.1 If copies of any of the above documents are to be relied on in court rather than originals, a copy of the Notice of proposal to adduce hearsay evidence required under s2(1) of the Civil Evidence Act 1995 together with proof of the authenticity of the document(s) as required under s8(1)(b) of the Act, including but not limited to:

 

(a) a copy of the procedure(s) used for copying, storing and retrieving documents

(b) a copy of the relevant log entry showing the time and date of the scan or copy, the name of the member of staff making the copy, the method used for copying, storage and retrieval and time and date of destruction of the original document(s)

© copies of internal and external audit reports covering the entire period from the date of the copy to the present to demonstrate that the procedures have been complied with

(d) copies of Quality Assurance accreditation certificates covering the entire period from the date of the copy to the present to demonstrate that the procedure(s) and audit process(es) comply with the appropriate quality standards

 

2. All records you hold on me relevant to this case, including but not limited to:

 

a. Transcriptions of all telephone conversations recorded and any notes made in relation to telephone conversations by your company, or by any previous creditor

b. Where there has been any event in my account history over this period which has required manual intervention by any person, I require disclosure of any indication or notes which have either caused or resulted in that manual intervention, or other evidence of that manual intervention in relation to my account formerly held with *********.(AMEND TO THE COMPANY NAME)

c. .Documents relating to any insurance added to the account, including the insurance contract and terms and conditions, date it was added and deleted (if applicable).

d. Details of any collection charge added to the account; specifically, the date it was levied, the amount of the charge, a detailed financial breakdown of how the charge was calculated, and what the charge covers.

e. Specific details of the fees/charges levied by any other agency in respect of this account and a detailed breakdown of said fees/charges and what each charge relates to and on what date said fees/charges were levied.

f. A genuine copy of any notice of fair use of my data as required by the Data Protection Act 1998

g. A list of third party agencies to whom you have disclosed my personal data and a summary of the nature of the information you have disclosed.

h. Copies of statements for the entire duration of the credit agreement.

 

3. Any other documents you seek to rely on in court.

 

 

I will require this information within the next fourteen days. I must advise you that if the information is not forthcoming, it will be reported to the Court that you are trying to frustrate proceedings and denying me the opportunity to file a defence and counter claim.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

XXXX (type, don't sign).

 

Send G/Delivery and keep proof of postage

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Hiya all

 

Sent my S.A.R off last night but i dont know what i should do now as i got an N1 in the post today i got 14 days to respond what do i do now :confused:

 

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Pompeyfaith

 

 

Hi there

 

Right, before you go filing the acknowledgement of service, can i ask what the claim is for? credit card, loan etc .what are the particulars of claim? have they served upon you a copy of the credit agreement ?

 

sorry for the questions but we need to establish grounds for defending the claim first

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It is for an MBNA credit card they want just under £7000 i sent my S.A.R off to them the day before the N1 arrived on my doorstep I am defending because they added PPI onto my card which was mis-sold as i did not ask for it plus it would not have paid out due to a serious stroke i had in 1990 they have also over a period of time ramped up the APR or rather the monthly interest rate. I also have isuses with OPTIMA LEGAL which is in the hands of the Information Commissioners Office due to them breaking date protections laws they sent me a 10 page document of all my phone calls but the last page was not for me it was a letter to one of there employees from a director detailing a pay rise!!!!!!!!!!! who do i send the CPR 18 too MBNA or OPTIMA LEGAL

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oh may i add the N1 came from Northampton court and i read somewhere on here that DCA,s use Northampton because they dont need to produce a credit agreement. so does that mean possibly they ain't got one ??????.

 

I dont know if it makes any difference but I'm still on incapacity benefit awaiting the outcome of DLA my wife gets carers allowance as she looks after her mum who lives with us would we be classed as in financial hardship

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Hi there

 

yes these DCAs dont like to use the normal county court and tend to favour Northampton so they dont have to supply the agreement etc

 

that said, it doesn't necessarily mean that they dont have it

 

you need to send the part 18 request to Optima if they are the people representing MBNA

 

How old is the credit card? is it a recent one or is it a few years old?

 

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Paul

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IVE had the card for about 4 yrs now not sure if it is relevant but should they have send me an LBA first as i did not recieve one.

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ok well i did not get one of those so it sounds like i have good grounds for a defence is an LBA in law in other words in the eyes of a judge they have broken laws in not sending me an LBA

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I got an N1 from Northampton ccbc dated 11th July 08, but i did not get an LBA from optima legal the account is with MBNA which is in dispute due to them not refunding PPI which was mis-sold i am also disputing the ramping up of interest on the account.

 

I need to file my defence with MCOL tonight and as i understand it send a part 18 to OPTIMA LEGAL but where do i stand in regards to not receiving an LBA.

 

Also can i use optima legals failings in my defence i.e No registered address on there letterheads and a letter to one of there employees detailing a pay rise which they sent me yup there data protection is -hite

 

Regards

 

 

Pompeyfaith:confused:

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You have 5+14 days from the date on the claim to file your ACKNOWLEDGEMENT of SERVICE with the court, you then have a further 14 days in which to file your defence.

So send a CPR request to the other side asap by recorded and do not sign it just print, then file your AOS

Please note i have no legal training any advice i give comes from my own experience and from what i have learned on this site

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thanks for that saintly but what about the LBA i did not recieve do i just use that in my defence ?

 

And can i use this: Also can i use optima legals failings in my defence i.e No registered address on there letterheads and a letter to one of there employees detailing a pay rise which they sent me yup there data protection is -hite

 

Regards

 

 

Pompeyfaith

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Ok ive prepared my CPR 18 can someone prove read it for just to make sure what im sending is right Thank you

 

 

 

 

 

 

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OPS! sorry about that personal details removed

 

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Anyone got the address i send the cpr too i mean is there a person who deals with this or will just optima legal do

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Ok ive been on MCOL and done my AoS and sent a CPR 18 to Optima Legal but from reading other theads if im right i should of got a POC ,LBA and default notice first which i did not get all i have recieved is the usual demands for payment then the N1.

 

What is my next step do i just wait 14 days for a reply to my CPR 18 ??

 

Regards

 

 

Pompeyfaith

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Ok ive been on MCOL and done my AoS and sent a CPR 18 to Optima Legal but from reading other theads if im right i should of got a POC ,LBA and default notice first which i did not get all i have recieved is the usual demands for payment then the N1.

 

What is my next step do i just wait 14 days for a reply to my CPR 18 ??

 

Regards

 

Pompeyfaith

 

Oh and thanks everyone for your kind help all this is an absolute minefield to me

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Ok ive been on MCOL and done my AoS and sent a CPR 18 to Optima Legal but from reading other theads if im right i should of got a POC ,LBA and default notice first which i did not get all i have recieved is the usual demands for payment then the N1.

 

What is my next step do i just wait 14 days for a reply to my CPR 18 ??

 

Regards

 

Leon

 

Hi, youve already got your POC (Particulars of Claim) its on the front of the court summons.

If you have not received an LBA or Default Notice this will go in your defence

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You have 33 days from 11th July to file your defence, as you have filed the AOS defending the whole claim, so can you post up the POC removing any personal details, and give a little background i.e. loan./ credit card/ how old is the agreement etc?

We may then be able to help further

 

Oh just realised you have 2 threads running in the same forum about the same thing apparently?

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ok ill scan it and post it up now

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OK here it is

 

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It is a credit card with MBNA been running now for 4 yrs and is in dispute due to the fact they have been added ppi on to my account mth in mth out which i should not have been paying due to a stroke i had in 1990 plus i feel i have been penalised by they ramping up of the interest rate which was at least 10% each time am i right in saying the 14 days is up on the 31 july ? hope this helps if you require further info post here and ill reply soon as thank you

 

Regards

 

 

Pompeyfaith

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