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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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I am considering an action against a CC co for harassment and I am wondering if I can call the people from the call centre as a witness or 10.

 

Now the calls come from a Nottingham number - is it my fault that they live in the Philippines?

 

GK

 

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Good idea....I believe I've spoken to 1 or 2 in Nottingham/India...I wonder if they'll help me out?

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Actually that was, in part, a serious question.

 

If I took action to get an injunction against the company for harassment would I be able to call in the people who had been responding to my mail to ask why they had not taken action to stop the calls. And to ask the people making the calls who authorised them to harass me.

 

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Sorry...my bad:)

 

But you are right....these people are witnesses and should be made available to question...who would pay for their attendance though?

If you lost the case would you then be liable for their expenses.:eek:

 

Perhaps that's why the fiendish banks set these call centres up so far away...to deter us from calling the staff as witnesses.:rolleyes:

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Hi Spamalot,

 

I have nothing and so IF I lost I have nothing to lose my credit rating is C&^% and they would have to make me banckrupt which would be throwing good money after bad.

 

I am thinking of CPR route and then issuing to have the debt proven as unenforceable. I am seriously considering calling 'the usual suspects' in as witnesses. They will be too busy to send out stupid letters then.

 

I have a current case in motion at local County Court and will move on to these after resolving the first.

 

I understand that there are a number of test cases in north west courts at present and I hope to be able to report in the near future.

 

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Hi Spamalot,

 

I have nothing and so IF I lost I have nothing to lose my credit rating is C&^% and they would have to make me banckrupt which would be throwing good money after bad.

 

I am thinking of CPR route and then issuing to have the debt proven as unenforceable. I am seriously considering calling 'the usual suspects' in as witnesses. They will be too busy to send out stupid letters then.

 

I have a current case in motion at local County Court and will move on to these after resolving the first.

 

I understand that there are a number of test cases in north west courts at present and I hope to be able to report in the near future.

 

GK

 

My interest escalates!

 

I have a couple of things on the back burner at the moment which I intend to move onto at a later date.

These involve Indian call centres....unfortunately they haven't been in touch for a little while but next time they are I shall ask them for their name/ID number, address of the call centre and Inform them I will be calling on them as a witness.

Their reply, should I be able to understand it, ( WITHOUT PREJUDICE!!!! )could prove interesting.:p

 

Look forward to your reports GK.

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I'm back.

 

Been a bit busy recently. Getting life back on track due to starting a new job soon.

 

This has got me a bit worried. I think Uncle Bob will be ordering some of these.

 

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I'm back.

 

Been a bit busy recently. Getting life back on track due to starting a new job soon.

 

This has got me a bit worried. I think Uncle Bob will be ordering some of these.

 

Bobble Off

 

Good Luck FB....onwards and upwards :)...take good care of your bobbles and don't let your new colleagues abuse them.;)

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My interest escalates!

 

I have a couple of things on the back burner at the moment which I intend to move onto at a later date.

These involve Indian call centres....unfortunately they haven't been in touch for a little while but next time they are I shall ask them for their name/ID number, address of the call centre and Inform them I will be calling on them as a witness.

Their reply, should I be able to understand it, ( WITHOUT PREJUDICE!!!! )could prove interesting.:p

 

Look forward to your reports GK.

 

Hi

 

I am really p$^%$ off as I seem to have made a grave mistake.

 

I have, written in the past, to a CC and advised that I will not now, not ever, pass their security which means that I am in limbo. The company keeps calling me and asking the security questions and I refuse to answer until Mariz or whomever in the Philippines gives me their date of birth so we come to a stalemate. I pointed out, just, that she is getting paid so why shouldn't I be paid. I want an enhanced rate too as it is a Saturday afternoon! Then a citizen of the Philippines demands that I call Crapone! What a bloody nerve.:evil:

 

I think that I will have to pop another letter in the posst advising a certain person that I am unhappy and will be using these letters as part of my harassment claim.

 

Is it possible to get an ASBO against these people?

 

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Hi

 

I am really p$^%$ off as I seem to have made a grave mistake.

 

I have, written in the past, to a CC and advised that I will not now, not ever, pass their security which means that I am in limbo. The company keeps calling me and asking the security questions and I refuse to answer until Mariz or whomever in the Philippines gives me their date of birth so we come to a stalemate. I pointed out, just, that she is getting paid so why shouldn't I be paid. I want an enhanced rate too as it is a Saturday afternoon! Then a citizen of the Philippines demands that I call Crapone! What a bloody nerve.:evil:

 

I think that I will have to pop another letter in the posst advising a certain person that I am unhappy and will be using these letters as part of my harassment claim.

 

Is it possible to get an ASBO against these people?

 

GK:D

 

Perhaps you could inform them that you couldn't answer their security questions before because you beacame a 'born again Christian' last month and changed your D.O.B to 13th April 2009

 

Having become 'Born again' you wouldn't want to tell porky pies and give these nice people the wrong information...therefore if they wanted to re-open verbal contact with you they must respect your new found religion and accept that as your date of birth....then you can start gathering witnesses again.

 

just a thought:wink:

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Perhaps you could inform them that you couldn't answer their security questions before because you beacame a 'born again Christian' last month and changed your D.O.B to 13th April 2009

 

Having become 'Born again' you wouldn't want to tell porky pies and give these nice people the wrong information...therefore if they wanted to re-open verbal contact with you they must respect your new found religion and accept that as your date of birth....then you can start gathering witnesses again.

 

just a thought:wink:

 

LOL that would mean ur under 18 and should not have credit bills anyway.

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Please remember the only stupid question is the one you dont ask so dont worry about asking the stupid questions.

 

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LOL that would mean ur under 18 and should not have credit bills anyway.

 

Good point.....case thrown out unenforceable and illegal CCA! :D

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I sent uncle bob an email a few days ago, and he's not replied.

 

Took me ages to get his email address too. :evil:

 

 

Mr Ton, you believe too many CAG rumors. :p Still trying to work out how they all started in the first place. :?

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Mr Ton, you believe too many CAG rumors. :p Still trying to work out how they all started in the first place. :?

 

Well even I could answer that one lol :grin::grin:

 

Now go get Uncle Bob............he needs moonpigging lol.

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