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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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I'd just like to ask others on here for examples of the worst way in which they have been spoken to by someone from a DCA when being on the phone to them & what the DCA has said etc...?

You dont have to name the company specifically...i'd just like to hear some really true horror stories on this? :o

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i'd just like to hear some really true horror stories on this? :shock:

 

Is this a fetish:eek:, or do you have some research your doing? Might be worth giving us a clue, after all, as you know we are all very nosey:D

 

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So do i take it then that from the 1st batch of responses that no-one intends to take this thread seriously? :rolleyes:

 

 

 

You know what this place thinks of CCA's, you may be better off ringing them up and asking

 

'Whats the worst way you've ever been spoken to bey a CAG member':D

 

bet you'd get some interesting responses

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You know what this place thinks of CCA's, you may be better off ringing them up and asking

 

'Whats the worst way you've ever been spoken to bey a CAG member':D

 

bet you'd get some interesting responses

 

Nah.

 

CAG members don't speak to DCA's.

 

At least, CAG members who follow the advice on the site.

i will be off site for the next month or so. if you have any problems, feel free to report the post so a moderator can help you.

 

I am not a qualified or practicing lawyer.

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was told by one firm cant remember who that if the bailiffs came that they were really nasty people who are horrible and they would take whatever they wanted , when i replied that id pour scolding chip fat in their faces if they knocked my door the bloke on the other end changed his tone straight away and asked if id send in a Incomings and outgoings , never did and havent heard from them since .(was a firm for capital one if I remeber correctly).

This was over 3 years ago so obviously they dont like chip fat lol

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A couple of years ago I had a delightful young woman at Mckenzie Hall tell me that I should stop sponging off the state, get myself a job and pay my debts (I had, and still have, a rather good job and the debt wasn't even mine). When I asked if she enjoyed her job and whether she wouldn't wish to persue more a more high-flying career, perhaps shelf-stacking at Netto, she called me a bitch and hung up.

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I was argued with and told to stop being difficult and called a bitch by the delightful woman. She kept raising her voice to me so i kept doing it to her in the end i told her what i thought of her she put the phone down and they (1st credit) have not phoned since.

 

They also told my husband that he should get a better job and had a right go at him

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After three..."oh yes it does".

 

just to point out, the site does NOT condone debt avoidance. this site is about empowering people to take control of their situations and deal with them using the law

 

 

 

that is all

 

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Well said Pt:mad:

Mr S hijacked my thread earlier and tried to rub everyone up the wrong way until the mods stepped in.. perhaps its best just to ignore him.. people come on this site for help not to listen to childish comments from someone who is old enough to know better.. if youve got nothing better to say please log off

 

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After three..."oh yes it does".
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:eek: :eek:

 

No it certainly does not!!!!! Anyone who thinks that has missed the point!

 

It is about helping the normal person who is threatened and intimidated by DCAs who buy alleged debts, often unenforaceable, or mis-assigned, to deal with companies who make their living from the misfortunes of others!

 

As has been written so often on here - if they send threatening letters to fuel their greed they will backfire, by people googling them and finding this site (how I got here), and realising they are bullies !

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If someone knows they borrowed the money and refuses to pay it back because a creditor cannot provide the agreement it is NOT re-paying your debt and therefore debt avoidence. Simple as that!

 

 

And what about when someone DIDN'T borrow the money, and is harassed and scared to death by companies threatening them - is that debt avoidance too?

And also what about people who have borrowed, and due to cirumstances beyond their control (reduncancy, illness, bereavement) - does that mean they have to pay back exorbitant illegal fees?

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If someone knows they borrowed the money and refuses to pay it back because a creditor cannot provide the agreement it is NOT re-paying your debt and therefore debt avoidence. Simple as that!

 

i suggest you take the time to read the Consumer Credit Act 1974

 

especially sections 77,78 and 79. it sets out that where a creditor cannot produce the agreement they cannot enforce the debt

 

now the onus is upon the creditor to take measures to ensure they can comply with the law, not forgetting that its been around since 1974 so they have had long enough to read and understand it

 

if someone takes out a loan with the express intention of not repaying it then i WILL NOT HELP THEM make that clear,

 

however nearly every person i advise is not in that category.

 

i do not wish to be drawn into childish tit for tat conversations as i have more important things to do with my time

 

this forum is about helping people, and this does not serve to help anyone

 

regards

paul

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