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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
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Hi

I wasn't being nasty, just trying to help you.

If you've got a thread concerning Carters please post a link so I can take a look and perhaps help?

Cheers

Mr P

 

Hi

No I agree with you its not good to hijack I just got carried away with the Godmother, I originally only wanted to say to you that he is ignoring us too.

I did post my thread on post 51.

It stands now that BC doesn't want to put anything in writing to us although we have asked him twice, so we are just waiting to see if he is going to try for another ccj on the same debt, If he is then I'm getting well tooled up with ammo.

This is why I like to follow any threads concerning BC.

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l cant get the link to work and thought it was just me as i have not heard anything from anyone else.

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The following arrived on Weds 14th.

Evidently Carters think they have now complied with MMR's CCA request.

 

 

 

 

 

BRYAN CARTER & CO

SOLICITORS

FIL/Bryan Carter DX 87903 WEYBRIDGE 3

A list of partners may be inspected at our offices

 

De Havilland Drive

Weybridge

KT13ONT

 

 

 

FACSIMILE 08704211321 TELEPHONE 08453133128

 

 

 

 

13 May 2008

OurRef:

 

 

 

 

 

 

STA TEMENT OF A CCOUNT

 

Date

Item Detail

Amounts

21-Sep-2006

Original Debt

5,198.77

15-Dec-06

Claim Fee

20.00

15-Dec-06

Claim Cost

50. 00

09-Jan-07

Judgment Cost

22.00

16-Feb-07

Debit Card

50.00

28-Feb-07

Direct Debit

150.00

05-Mar-07

Direct Debit

-150.00

04-May-07

Debit Card

10.00

21-Jun-07

Direct Debit

100.00

23-M-07

Direct Debit

100.00

26-Jul-07

Direct Debit

-100.00

02-Aug-07

Direct Debit

100.00

07-Aug-07

Direct Debit

-100.00

17-Aug-07

Debit Card

70.00

ll-Sep-07

Debit Card

70.00

20-0ct-07

Debit Card

50.00

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Balance

 

4,940.77

 

 

 

Please note recent items may not be shown. It is assumed any payments shown are honoured

Direct Debits are shown on the date applied for and not the processing date If you have any query contact this office at once as legal action may be pending.

Please note that Bryan Carter Co is the trading name of Crellins Carter Solicitors of 111 Queens Road, Weybridge, Surrey KT139UW A list of partners may be inspected at our offices. Regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority

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Any suggestions as to what to do next?

I think this one may be a bit too difficult for me to sort out especially when MMR is a plonker !

He didn't even ask them how they arrived at the figure of over £5000 !

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Hi.

 

I am guessing the rest of the documentation is still in the post as they have not complied with the request as u may have guessed.

 

If it has not arrived buy saturday send them a non compliance letter telling them the account is still in dispute and to bog off till they comply fully with the cca request.

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they should have everything to do with this acc if they own the account or they should have access to it if they dont own the account buy the way of a telephone request or email request for the docs.

 

Either way they should be able to provide u with everything about this case on demand.

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Cool lets just wait and see.

 

Remember you mate rob can via the courts force them to comply ok it will cost him but he can then claim the charges back.

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Right folks, sorry to be a nuisance but need some help please on behalf of MMR.

How does he take Carters to court for non comp of SAR? I can't find anything.

Any links or info most welcome.

Thanks

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Sample Particulars of Claim: Text in red should be amended/deleted as appropriate.

 

NB: Please note that some County Court staff may not be aware of the procedure for these claims. It is important that you insist that the N1 is accepted - and that your claim is NOT a "pre-action disclosure", or a claim under "part 8".

 

The Information Commissioner has indicated that these claims should be dealt with in the Small Claims track.

 

 

BRIEF DETAILS OF CLAIM (On Front of N1)

 

Order under Section 7 and Section 15(2) of the Data Protection Act 1998

Damages

 

NB: It is absolutely vital that you do not use the word "injunction" as this may cause problems. You will also find that the fee varies from £30 to £150, depending on the court involved. Of course, this fee should be recoverable, and if you qualify for relief from paying fees you will not have to pay, or it may be reduced.

 

 

PARTICULARS OF CLAIM

 

 

1. The Defendant is a Data Controller within the meaning of the Data Protection Act and is responsible for the processing of data of which the Claimant is a Subject.

 

2. The Claimant (has/had) an account number (Insert Account Number) ("the Account") with the Defendant which was opened on or around (Insert date) (and closed on or around (Insert date)).

 

3. On (Insert Date) the Claimant sent a Subject Access Request, pursuant to Section 7 of the Data Protection Act 1998 to the Defendant.

 

4. The Defendant has failed to comply.

 

5. By virtue of the Defendant's failure to comply with the Subject Access Request the Claimant has suffered damage (and distress).

 

6. The damage (and distress) caused is:

 

Extra costs incurred in addition to court costs, due to the Defendants failure to comply - this includes the cost of additional correspondence and time spent preparing documents and seeking legal advice, I estimate this cost to be £...........

 

Add any further things that can be clearly quantifiable, and to which you can provide proof.

 

Please be aware that claims for distress are only available where the distress is caused by the quantifiable damage. You would usually need professional evidence in support. If you are intending to go down this route it is vital you contact us before proceeding.

 

7. The Claimant seeks an order that the Defendant do comply with the Claimant's Subject Access Request

 

8. Under the terms of Section 15(2) of the Data Protection Act 1998, where the Defendant contests that information requested under the Claimant's Subject Access Request is not included within the scope of Section 7 of the Data Protection Act 1998, the Claimant requests that the Court inspects that information, and where it finds that the Defendant's opinion is unfounded, that it orders such information be included within the information supplied to the Claimant under the Subject Access Request.

 

9. Damages and costs within the discretion of the Court.

 

 

 

I believe that the contents of these particulars of claim are true

 

 

Signed:

 

 

Date:

 

.Would someone please help with wording of no2 about the account with?

It was with MBNA but they have no record of such, Carters are the ones we want to take court but not sure what to put.

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it depends on who is refusing to provide the info.

 

Who did u send the letter to?

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Hi GM

 

Sent SAR and CCA letters to both MBNA & Carters. Westcot bought the debt, but Carters (Solicitors) said all correspondence must be through them.

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well u file against them both. U will need 2 seperate claim forms tho.

 

If it is both who have failed to supply the info.

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Hows this look? and do you have to prove the amount in no 6 ?

 

 

 

PARTICULARS OF CLAIM

 

 

1. The Defendant is a Data Controller within the meaning of the Data Protection Act and is responsible for the processing of data of which the Claimant is a Subject.

 

2. The Claimant had an account with MBNA EBL. The Defendant, who is the Solicitor for Wescot Credit Services Ltd who took on the Claimant’s debt, has failed to supply the relevant information, only supplying a Statement of Account covering the period listing payments made from 21/09/06 to 20/10/07.

 

3. On 08/09/2007 the Claimant sent a Subject Access Request, pursuant to Section 7 of the Data Protection Act 1998 to the Defendant.

 

4. The Defendant has failed to comply.

 

5. By virtue of the Defendant's failure to comply with the Subject Access Request the Claimant has suffered damage .

 

6. The damage caused is: Extra costs incurred in addition to court costs, due to the Defendants failure to comply - this includes the cost of additional correspondence and time spent preparing documents and seeking legal advice, I estimate this cost to be £.1000.00.

 

 

 

 

7. The Claimant seeks an order that the Defendant do comply with the Claimant's Subject Access Request

 

8. Under the terms of Section 15(2) of the Data Protection Act 1998, where the Defendant contests that information requested under the Claimant's Subject Access Request is not included within the scope of Section 7 of the Data Protection Act 1998, the Claimant requests that the Court inspects that information, and where it finds that the Defendant's opinion is unfounded, that it orders such information be included within the information supplied to the Claimant under the Subject Access Request.

 

9. Damages and costs within the discretion of the Court.

 

 

 

I believe that the contents of these particulars of claim are true

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