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    • the claimant in their WS can refer to whatever previous CC judgements they like, as we do in our WS's, but CC judgements do not set a legal precedence. however, they do often refer to judgements like Bevis, those cases do created a precedence as they were court of appeal rulings. as for if the defendant, prior to the raising of a claim, dobbed themselves in as the driver in writing during any appeal to the PPC, i don't think we've seen one case whereby the claimant referred to such in their WS.. ?? but they certainly typically include said appeal letters in their exhibits. i certainly dont think it's a good idea to 'remind' them of such at the defence stage, even if the defendant did admit such in a written appeal. i would further go as far to say, that could be even more damaging to the whole case than a judge admonishing a defendant for not appealing to the PPC in the 1st place. it sort of blows the defendant out the water before the judge reads anything else. dx  
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Please post here if you have sent off an official telephone harassment letter template, it has been respected and you are no longer being telephoned. Please state what organisation you sent the letter off to. Thanks.

 

If the opposite is true and they are still ringing please post on this thread:

 

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If you are being harassed, but haven't yet sent off a letter, then please do. More responses are definitely needed. I want to let this thread fester for a couple of months and then see what's what. I have a couple of good ideas on what to do next.

 

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Yes, I have. Lowell have not telephoned me since receiving mine in October. I have a thread somewhere about it. They aren't backing off in any other way and have the threatomatic aimed permanently at my address, but they've not phoned... yet. Is ths tempting fate?

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AIC stopped calling when I told them to & sent the letter. They are totally useless in all other respects.

 

Intrum Justicia said that they would keep on calling. I called a manager and gave a different (virtual) number that doesn't ring, just logs. Nice people:rolleyes:

 

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AIC stopped calling when I told them to & sent the letter. They are totally useless in all other respects.

 

Intrum Justicia said that they would keep on calling. I called a manager and gave a different (virtual) number that doesn't ring, just logs. Nice people:rolleyes:

 

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Can you formally post the negative one on my other thread mate. Thanks.

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Totally dif from the above poster, i did manage to get Intrum to stop calling this is the e'mail i recieved from them.

 

have removed your telephone number from our records and you should not receive any further telephone calls from our company.

Can you please advise me with regards to any dispute you may have or your proposals of payment

Regards

Tracey Smith

Business Support Manager

To be fair this woman was very helpful (even against my better judgment i called and spoke to her, she was really appologetic and assured me she would sort my case out, less than a week later i had a letter confirming that the account bal was nil and that they should never have been handed the case.

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Can you formally post the negative one on my other thread mate. Thanks.

 

With Intrum Justicia, I just phoned, I didn't send a letter. It was about my son so I gave them a different number, not his, so that they could leave a message. The supervisor did offer to take the number off but I thought it was best to get the messages so we could tell him when he hadn't paid! Unfortunately they did ring the number but never left any messages so my son never paid ....

 

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Lowells took me off their telephone list when I contacted them in writing despite refusing to do so in the times I used to actually speak to them. In saying that the threatomatic has been working overtime since.

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CapQuest stopped calling me after I sent the letter template. They started a complaints procedure when I wrote to them and concluded that they would remove my number from my records 'as a gesture of goodwill'.

 

It worked anyway, they don't ring anymore :)

Mr & Mrs Ananya's story so far -

Welcome Finance - account closed - no CCA - 02/07 - £1500

NatWest - settled in full 09/06 - £600

NatWest - settled in full 06/07 - £72

Verso - Settled in full 07/08 - £2002

C.K. Edrupt/Provident - account closed - no CCA - 04/07 - £640

Littlewoods/Shop Direct - 2 accounts closed - Statute Barred - 04/10 - £800

D.C.A.s who've given up so far -10

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pmsl at good will gesture there covering there asses

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Capital One have also stopped all calls to hubby after we sent them the harassment letter :)

Mr & Mrs Ananya's story so far -

Welcome Finance - account closed - no CCA - 02/07 - £1500

NatWest - settled in full 09/06 - £600

NatWest - settled in full 06/07 - £72

Verso - Settled in full 07/08 - £2002

C.K. Edrupt/Provident - account closed - no CCA - 04/07 - £640

Littlewoods/Shop Direct - 2 accounts closed - Statute Barred - 04/10 - £800

D.C.A.s who've given up so far -10

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Clydesdale Finance even wrote and confirmed they had deleted my phone number. Only chasing me for unlawful charges anyway but I was impressed by their response.

BANK CHARGES

Nat West Bus Acct £1750 reclaim - WON

 

LTSB Bus Acct £1650 charges w/o against o/s balance - WON

 

Halifax Pers Acct £1650 charges taken from benefits - WON

 

Others

 

GE Money sec loan - £1900 in charges - settlement agreed

GE Money sec loan - ERC of £2.5K valid for 15 years - on standby

FirstPlus - missold PPI of £20K for friends - WON

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Monument stopped calling after the first hurdle.

 

They passed the account over to Clowns (Llowels), who after me tormenting (sorry ringing them), during the security questions, asked for our phone number, i stupidly started to tell them, got as far as the last 4 digits, and said, sorry im not prepared to give you the phone number.

 

Got a reply, of, well we already have it on the system...

 

Waiting for them to contact us by phone though.. so wait and see...

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I have sent 2 harrassment letters off to HSBC, we are deadlocked, they want me to pay back loan + overdraft, I will not pay anything back unless they refund my charges £1,500+ !!! They are still calling me up to 6 times per day too....

 

This is my record which shows what a shoddy outfit they are !!! previous to this list here they were calling me up to 10 times a day (these are just the calls below I know about)....I am currently filing a complaint to the FOS...

 

This is right up against the OFT and Trading Standards guidelines (let alone being a CRIMINAL offence) !!! which clearly state that once a debt is in dispute they aren't allowed to continue to press me !!

 

0800 783 8422 9:48am 10/12/07

6:24pm on 10th December 2007

6:42pm on 10th December 2007

5:17pm on 11th December 2007

1:10pm on 11th December 2007

11:41am on 12th December 2007

3:33pm on 12th December 2007

13:26pm on 14th December 2007

17:44pm on 14th December 2007

10:32am on 15th December 2007

14:59pm on 15th December 2007

13:18pm on 19th December 2007

15:33pm on 19th December 2007

15:49pm on 19th December 2007

20:30pm on 19th December 2007

10:18am on 20th December 2007

10:34am on 20th December 2007

18:55pm on 20th December 2007

10:35am on 21st December 2007

15:24pm on 21st December 2007

1:40pm on 22nd December 2007

12:10pm on 23rd December 2007

13:15pm on 24th December 2007

1:27pm on 27th December 2007 – Silent Call received to 14:01pm on 27th December 2007

15:14pm on 29th December 2007

20:08pm on 29th December 2007

14:22pm on 2nd January 2008

15:41pm on 2nd January 2008

17:17pm on 2nd January 2008 – Silent Call received to 18:08pm on 2nd January 2008

08456017206 – 11:19 - 7th January 2008

Unknown but claimed from HSBC Bank – 7th January 2008 at 13:03

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

10:14am on 21st January 2008

13:15pm on 21st January 2008

14:45pm on 21st January 2008 – claimed to be from HSBC Bank

12:39pm on 22nd January 2008

15:45pm on 22nd January 2008

14:18pm on 23rd January 2008

18:33pm on 23rd January 2008

20:23pm on 23rd January 2008

11:47am on 24th January 2008

14:58pm on 24th January 2008

15:45pm on 24th January 2008 – silent call

19:38pm on 24th January 2008

 

2nd HARRASSMENT LETTER SENT

 

11:14am on 25th January 2008

11:15am on 25th January 2008

09:48am on 28th January 2008

09:49am on 28th January 2008

17:25pm on 28th January 2008

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9:45am on 10th February 2008

4:55pm on 10th February 2008

14:54pm on 11th February 2008

8:00pm on 11th February 2008

8:00am on 12th February 2008

16:16pm on 12th February 2008

8:00am on 13th February 2008

17:14pm on 13th February 2008

8:00am on 14th February 2008

18:55pm on 14th February 2008

19:41pm on 19th February 2008

1:45pm on 19th February 2008

11:25am on 20th February 2008

11:26am on 20th February 2008

14:59pm on 20th February 2008

15:00pm on 20th February 2008

17:00pm on 20th February 2008

20:57pm on 20th February 2008

13:13pm on 21st February 2008

15:08pm on 21st February 2008

15:25pm on 21st February 2008

18:25pm on 21st February 2008

13:09pm on 22nd February 2008

13:53pm on 22nd February 2008 – Silent call

15:38pm on 22nd February 2008 – Silent call

15:40pm on 22nd February 2008 – Silent call

16:24pm on 22nd February 2008 – Silent call

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In my last letter they said 'despite the OFT you are obliged to continue making payments', they are also saying that they won't refund the charges which were 'applied in accordance with the new terms and conditions which have been applied to various accounts on the 1st December 2006 (UTTER BOWLARKS - they did pay me back some in 2007 !!!!!)

 

And get this CAGGERS !!! - 'OFCOM regulations state that we can contact our customers at any time between the hours of 8:00am and 9:00pm - Monday to Saturday and 8:00am until 5:00pm on Sundays and Bank Holidays - I sincerely apologise if any inconvenience has been caused to you as a result of the time of these calls however, they are being made in accordance with procedure (yes their own procedures or whichever governing body they feel fits their own shoddy requirements !!!) so it seems they don't care about the OFT or Trading Standards only OFCOM !!!

 

It gets better...'Due to the inconvenience caused I have removed your telephone numbers from the contact details that we have on our system. This action will prevent telephone calls from being made in the future. Please be advised that we will contact you via post if necessary' This letter is dated almost a month ago !!!! since this letter they have contacted me at least 50 times !!!!

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Sounds like there actually inviting you to send them a harassment letter lol

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Sounds like they are inviting you to apply for an injunction to prevent them calling you

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Nah, should report it to the police, with a copy of the protection from harassment act in one hand and s40 of the Administration of Justice act 1970 in the other. If they refuse, ask for the name and number of the officer, and when he asks why say so that you can complain to the chief constable;)

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