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Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate 4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:- a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. 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( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. 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Hello ta all and Good Evening

 

I too have probs with them buggers 'up the road' and I have done for many years.

I went to court 6 mth ago and agreed to a monthly payment, and was advised that if i missed a payment I would face 42 days in jail or my driving licence taken away, guess what..I recieved a summons today to appear on 20th March, and take my licence with me and a (bag full of clothes).

 

Over the last few month I have spoken to the CSA over the phone asking for a reduced payment and heard nothing, then today I got the summons?

 

Any ideas on what to do next?

Should I enrol the help of a solicitor..(legal aid of course)

 

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Stephen

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I think a solicitor is your best bet - as they already seem to have a liability order against you - the thing is once the liability order is in place basically you have to pay it - even if you think it's wrong, it's like council tax you have to pay first and argue the toss later.

 

The thing is if your D/L is essential to your job and therefore your earning capacity thats what you need to argue in court as without the earnings aint no chance of the CSA getting payments.

 

I think a solcitors presence will ensure the best outcome for you - and this is coming from someone of the other side of the CSA fence as my ex point blank refuses to pay with his excuse being that he just doesn't want to.

 

I hope you get it sorted as you are obviously trying to pay

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11 YEARS of misery with the CSA, because my ex said he could work the system being S/E and he has done a brilliant job of it!

They have lost my file many times, lost letters/not received – brought a fax machine and get their email address now!

I even had to copy letters they sent to me as they didn’t have copies! Been to MP, ICE (about 5 full reports – found the csa at fault but they now useless and seem to do nothing), Lord Hunt, Complaints, Parliamentary Ombudsman, Chief Executive – doesn’t bother to reply to letters, Tribunals, Appeals, Bailiffs, Courts, (he even gave them fake payslips) even found a solicitor to sue them - whilst Legal Aid going through (as working p/t) got in touch with Watchdog, they called the CSA and just by magic, got a phone call offering a BIG advance payment, they admitted it was because of that!

But I’m still owed money and still trying to get it, Criminal Compliance Unit found evidence of 5 bank accounts, how much he really earns and his savings and mortgage (tax man not interested that he has lied about his earnings) LAST JULY - not sent to appeals/nothing done, so I appealed for maintenance assessment to be reassessed, got struck out - out of time, I went to Regional Chairman appealing under exceptional circumstances, finally got the tribunal and the CSA turned up with only one bank account information for one year only, I was made to look a fool and called a liar and it was disallowed. So I’m back to complaining, making the appeals people sort out yet another mess they have caused while he enjoys his money, life and lies by laughing at me - by . . . WORKING THE SYSTEM - just like he said.

I will keep on with it, trying to go to the Media again as seems to be the only thing that works, if we all did, then they would do another story about it.

The CSA ask me for information about my ex, so when I find it and give it to them, he tells the Police I’m harassing him and they come round to see me, I have to explain to them what its about – so he even harasses me via the Police!

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11 YEARS of misery with the CSA, because my ex said he could work the system being S/E and he has done a brilliant job of it!

 

They have lost my file many times, lost letters/not received – brought a fax machine and get their email address now!

 

I even had to copy letters they sent to me as they didn’t have copies! Been to MP, ICE (about 5 full reports – found the csa at fault but they now useless and seem to do nothing), Lord Hunt, Complaints, Parliamentary Ombudsman, Chief Executive – doesn’t bother to reply to letters, Tribunals, Appeals, Bailiffs, Courts, (he even gave them fake payslips) even found a solicitor to sue them - whilst Legal Aid going through (as working p/t) got in touch with Watchdog, they called the CSA and just by magic, got a phone call offering a BIG advance payment, they admitted it was because of that!

 

But I’m still owed money and still trying to get it, Criminal Compliance Unit found evidence of 5 bank accounts, how much he really earns and his savings and mortgage (tax man not interested that he has lied about his earnings) LAST JULY - not sent to appeals/nothing done, so I appealed for maintenance assessment to be reassessed, got struck out - out of time, I went to Regional Chairman appealing under exceptional circumstances, finally got the tribunal and the CSA turned up with only one bank account information for one year only, I was made to look a fool and called a liar and it was disallowed. So I’m back to complaining, making the appeals people sort out yet another mess they have caused while he enjoys his money, life and lies by laughing at me - by . . . WORKING THE SYSTEM - just like he said.

 

I will keep on with it, trying to go to the Media again as seems to be the only thing that works, if we all did, then they would do another story about it.

 

The CSA ask me for information about my ex, so when I find it and give it to them, he tells the Police I’m harassing him and they come round to see me, I have to explain to them what its about – so he even harasses me via the Police!

 

I would definately get involved with any media campaign about this - the whole thing is a joke when you refer to the police hear and the CSA asking for information etc

I have a harrassment order against my ex partner and he cannot come within 50 feet of me nor can he or any 'agents' have contact with me - they CSA are aware of this however they keep saying it is MY RESPONSIBILITY to provide them with information as to where he is working if I want to have them check it out!

 

Yep thats right I have to effectively encourage contact in order to find things out!!

Well I don't fancy the threats of getting my house burnt down and physical violence thanks!

 

I'm not sure if there is such a thing as a 'parents panel' from both sides of the fence that could make recommendations to the CSA based on actual experiences but I think there should be. What can a bunch of government suits know about this agency??

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hi,i have been re-assessed last year and csa have calculated i owe £20,000 back pay.I have written to them to ask how they worked it out but cannot get a reply,i've sent all letters by recorded delivery,even wrote to complaints dept but still have no reply after 12 weeks.Previously i was self employed and sent my accounts into csa every year. I have been paying £200 month voluntary maintanence,even though i had a nil assessment.I have a court case shortly but cannot get anything off csa to support my case.Can anyone help please?

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Have you asked for copies of your file? I have a template I can pm you if you want it?

 

The letter asks for you files both clerical and computer generated. They have 40 days in which to comply. The files will show each assessment made for you and their calculations. There are parts that will be blacked out that will relate to your ex.

 

I always ask for my files every 6 months, it's amazing the stuff they can leave out! It should list all the times you have contacted them, all letters sent to you, the original application etc.

 

 

Is this availible anywhere on line?:cool:

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Have you asked for copies of your file? I have a template I can pm you if you want it?

 

The letter asks for you files both clerical and computer generated. They have 40 days in which to comply. The files will show each assessment made for you and their calculations. There are parts that will be blacked out that will relate to your ex.

 

I always ask for my files every 6 months, it's amazing the stuff they can leave out! It should list all the times you have contacted them, all letters sent to you, the original application etc.

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Hi sorry for adding this to the thread as i did put my own in and did not get any where sorry if this is causing you some hassle

 

i am new to this so please bear with me if i have posted this into the wrong section

 

 

anyway here is my need

 

had been separated from my wife for 10 years and have 2 children now aged 21 +16 only found out that she had put through a divorce in 2003 and was given everything and i mean everything house the lot..i had been giving her in the first few months of my separation all my wages yes i know don't say it...after a few months i needed to get a place of my own and decided to give her then £300 + per Month.. she took that no problem

 

then the csa got involved and was taking then £450 per month that was over half my wage.... then after 3 years i lost my job and wet on job seekers so was unable to pay anything..then got a job stated paying her £15 per week as it was a low payed job.. the the csa bounced me taking £650 per month i could live on the 250 that was left so had to pack my job in.....

 

had the letter from csa demanding payment... had then asked them send me all the data which they have but do not know what to do with it... she has not said that i had been paying her anything and i have no longer got proof as all back dated paperwork has gone...

 

a little history

 

having been sent a few weeks back the decree absolute it says that i have no legal right to the well being of my lads as from 2003 so why am i paying the csa.. can not get in touch with her as she sold up everything and moved with her new husband in a f.... BIG place and me just barely holding a flat together.. now then they are asking me to now pay £12000 + for the 16 year old ???

 

so any one can you put me in the right direction please

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Unfortunately the only thing you can do is write a letter to the Chief Exec of the CSA the last one I did was done by the website but all my others and over 16 years there have been several have been done by letter.

 

This will then kick off the complaints procedure and it will be a long slow process 16 years in my case with 4 trips to the Independant Case Examiner and helped by my MP.

 

The thing that is lacking in the CSA is common sense. The only way to avoid CSA is to get a private arrangement with the other parent and stick to it. Not possible in my case as my ex was not reasonable.

 

You need to keep records and try and prove what your saying. If you dont provide what they are asking for an Interim Maintenance Assesment is done and there seems to be no logic to this calculation. I think most people would be happy with some maintenance rather than nothing at all.

 

Best advice I can give anyone when dealing with the CSA is never depend on your maintenance then it can't pull you into debt. The system is still flawed and until common sense prevails it always will be.

 

Hope that helps

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Hi sfwestyorks I'm Taking It That The Reply Was For Me ? If So Thanks

 

I Have Started Sending My Lads Moey In Cheques And They Have Been Cashing Them.. Im Doing This As I Have Been Told That The Lads Where Not Getting Any Of It She Was Spending The Lost On Hols Ect.. So Seeing The Lads Are 16 They Are Not Quite Adults But Can Make There Own Mind Up, What Im Tryng To Ask Anyone Is If They Are Cashing The Checks Then Why Do I Have To Pay Csa For Them ?:?

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I am after some help please? I had been paying CSA payments up until 2001 but had a breakdown after my brother died that year. I was homeless and not working and have recently got my life back on track after a long time! I have now been told that I am liable for back pay for the period of time between 2001-end of 2008 even though I wasnt working. This is because I didnt call them to tell them about my breakdown and homelesness. This was the last thing on my mind. Is there anywhere I can get help to question this please folks?

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Red,

 

In lieu of anyone else coming with advice I'll share my limited experience of the CSA.

 

I know that you can negotiate to pay off arrears. In the case of a friend of mine he negotiated with the CSA to repay £360 arrears over two years and they said they would not charge interest.

 

He telephoned them and got through to a very helpful woman who was able to answer all his queries.

 

Otherwise, the CAB is a good place for advice on problems with the CSA. I have always found my local CAB staff very kind and informative.

 

I hope you get your CSA problems sorted out.

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Hi stevie - I do not believe they take outgoings into account just what they earn to base their assessment.

 

My ex claims that as he is bankrupt he can't afford to pay anything - it took getting him to court and a suspended prison sentence before he started paying though!

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