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    • S13 (2)The creditor may not exercise the right under paragraph 4 to recover from the keeper any unpaid parking charges specified in the notice to keeper if, within the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which that notice was given, the creditor is given— (a)a statement signed by or on behalf of the vehicle-hire firm to the effect that at the material time the vehicle was hired to a named person under a hire agreement; (b)a copy of the hire agreement; and (c)a copy of a statement of liability signed by the hirer under that hire agreement. As  Arval has complied with the above they cannot be pursued by EC----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- S14 [1]   the creditor may recover those charges (so far as they remain unpaid) from the hirer. (2)The conditions are that— (a)the creditor has within the relevant period given the hirer a notice in accordance with sub-paragraph (5) (a “notice to hirer”), together with a copy of the documents mentioned in paragraph 13(2) and the notice to keeper; (b)a period of 21 days beginning with the day on which the notice to hirer was given has elapsed;  As ECP did not send copies of the documents to your company and they have given 28 days instead of 21 days they have failed to comply with  the Act so you and your Company are absolved from paying. That is not to say that they won't continue asking to be paid as they do not have the faintest idea how PoFA works. 
    • Euro have got a lot wrong and have failed to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4.  According to Section 13 after ECP have written to Arval they should then send a NTH to the Hirer  which they have done.This eliminates Arval from any further pursuit by ECP. When they wrote to your company they should have sent copies of everything that they asked Arval for. This is to prove that your company agree what happened on the day of the breach. If ECP then comply with the Act they are allowed to pursue the hirer. If they fail, to comply they cannot make the hirer pay. They can pursue until they are blue in the face but the Hirer is not lawfully required to pay them and if it went to Court ECP would lose. Your company could say who was driving but the only person that can be pursued is the Hirer, there does not appear to be an extension for a driver to be pursued. Even if there was, because ECP have failed miserably to comply with the Act  they still have no chance of winning in Court. Here are the relevant Hire sections from the Act below.
    • Thank-you FTMDave for your feedback. May I take this opportunity to say that after reading numerous threads to which you are a contributor, I have great admiration for you. You really do go above and beyond in your efforts to help other people. The time you put in to help, in particular with witness statements is incredible. I am also impressed by the way in which you will defer to others with more experience should there be a particular point that you are not 100% clear on and return with answers or advice that you have sought. I wish I had the ability to help others as you do. There is another forum expert that I must also thank for his time and patience answering my questions and allowing me to come to a “penny drops” moment on one particular issue. I believe he has helped me immensely to understand and to strengthen my own case. I shall not mention who it is here at the moment just in case he would rather I didn't but I greatly appreciate the time he took working through that issue with me. I spent 20+ years of working in an industry that rules and regulations had to be strictly adhered to, indeed, exams had to be taken in order that one had to become qualified in those rules and regulations in order to carry out the duties of the post. In a way, such things as PoFA 2012 are rules and regulations that are not completely alien to me. It has been very enjoyable for me to learn these regulations and the law surrounding them. I wish I had found this forum years ago. I admit that perhaps I had been too keen to express my opinions given that I am still in the learning process. After a suitable period in this industry I became Qualified to teach the rules and regulations and I always said to those I taught that there is no such thing as a stupid question. If opinions, theories and observations are put forward, discussion can take place and as long as the result is that the student is able to clearly see where they went wrong and got to that moment where the penny drops then that is a valuable learning experience. No matter how experienced one is, there is always something to learn and if I did not know the answer to a question, I would say, I don't know the answer to that question but I will go and find out what the answer is. In any posts I have made, I have stated, “unless I am wrong” or “as far as I can see” awaiting a response telling me what I got wrong, if it was wrong. If I am wrong I am only too happy to admit it and take it as a valuable learning experience. I take the point that perhaps I should not post on other peoples threads and I shall refrain from doing so going forward. 🤐 As alluded to, circumstances can change, FTMDave made the following point that it had been boasted that no Caggers, over two years, who had sent a PPC the wrong registration snotty letter, had even been taken to court, let alone lost a court hearing .... but now they have. I too used the word "seemed" because it is true, we haven't had all the details. After perusing this forum I believe certain advice changed here after the Beavis case, I could be wrong but that is what I seem to remember reading. Could it be that after winning the above case in question, a claimant could refer back to this case and claim that a defendant had not made use of the appeal process, therefore allowing the claimant to win? Again, in this instance only, I do not know what is to be gained by not making an appeal or concealing the identity of the driver, especially if it is later admitted that the defendant was the driver and was the one to input the incorrect VRN in error. So far no one has educated me as to the reason why. But, of course, when making an appeal, it should be worded carefully so that an error in the appeal process cannot be referred back to. I thought long and hard about whether or not to post here but I wanted to bring up this point for discussion. Yes, I admit I have limited knowledge, but does that mean I should have kept silent? After I posted that I moved away from this forum slightly to find other avenues to increase my knowledge. I bought a law book and am now following certain lawyers on Youtube in the hope of arming myself with enough ammunition to use in my own case. In one video titled “7 Reasons You Will LOSE Your Court Case (and how to avoid them)” by Black Belt Barrister I believe he makes my point by saying the following, and I quote: “If you ignore the complaint in the first instance and it does eventually end up in court then it's going to look bad that you didn't co-operate in the first place. The court is not going to look kindly on you simply ignoring the company and not, let's say, availing yourself of any kind of appeal opportunities, particularly if we are talking about parking charge notices and things like that.” This point makes me think that, it is not such a bizarre judgement in the end. Only in the case of having proof of payment and inputting an incorrect VRN .... could it be worthwhile making a carefully worded appeal in the first instance? .... If the appeal fails, depending on the reason, surely this could only help if it went to court? As always, any feedback gratefully received.
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hippo motors and A1 approved warranty ..totally worthless!!


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I brought a 3008 Peugeot from hippo motors in July

they have me A1 approved warranty for 12 months and that warranty ain't worth the paper it's wrote on

 

I collected the car 21st July from hippo motors from up north

got back to London after a few days

noticed there was a shudder to the auto gearbox

 

took and had a few other things that needed sorting like CD player which the warranty did sort on the 10/08/2017 after an arguement with them and they tried to refuse to cover labour costs

 

I had to involve the finance company to get them to pay for the work that was carried out

but the gearbox never got sorted and the shudder has got worse in 1st and 2nd gear

 

I therefore contacted A1 spoke to some unhelpful person called jack explained the gearbox has a shudder which I reported within a few days of having the car and it hadn't been sorted but was getting worse

 

he told me to take it to Peugeot find out what the problem is and then call them back

 

so I go to robin and day they test it and say it's the clutch or gearbox

but won't no until they take the box out for sure

 

so we call this A1 approved warranty back

explain it all to jack

who then says it will be classed as wear and tear

 

it's a joke

people are paying thousands for cars that need work done to them and given useless warrentys that are worthless

 

I have now have to contact my finance company for a 2nd time

as I don't see why I should now have to pay £1300 on top of the cost of my car

that I have only had a few months

 

I would tell anyone to stay clear of hippo motors in Blackburn and A1 approved warranty both are a con company

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inform the finance company that you wish to reject the car under section CCA 90/99 etc

 

cancel and reclaim the worthless warranty

 

it does not remove your rights under CRA.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Good morning

 

Thanks for your reply

I don't know the rights or sections when it comes to dealing with this

do I just call them and say to them I want to reject the car under section CCA 90/99

 

the finance told me yesterday to keep the payments upto date with them

as I did tell them yesterday that I'm not happy about paying for this car when it has issues

 

they said that if I with hold payments it would go on my credit file

I did tell them if they can't force Hippo motors that I brought the car from or that A1 approved warranty to pay for the car to be fixed then then I want the car returned

 

they said it will take upto 8 weeks to try to sort a solution

 

my worry is that the car will get worse like I explained to the finance yesterday

8 weeks is a long time

 

I forgot to put this was a used car I brought from Hippo at the end of July

will I still be about to reject it?

 

If they accept the car back will I still be abled to get finance?

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you informed the finance co and or the seller within 14 days of ownership about the fault.

under CRA you are entitled to reject it and that cancels everything

your payments should be returned too.

 

ignore the bit about section 90/99 not relevant in your situation.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Update to my Peugeot

A1 approved and Hippo actually paid out for my clutch and fly wheel to be fixed on my car costing them around £1500 for the repairs

now I am having to go back to them with more problems with the car

 

so far taken the car to 2 non Peugeot garages which have not been abled to repair the car costing me 2 diagnoses and car still not running as some fault with diesel pressure rail and anti pollution system that both garages have not been abled to solve

only option we have now is to take this car to Peugeot and hopefully A1 approved will cover the fault cost again

 

this car has been nothing but issues or I would be happy to give the car back to hippo or swap it for another car as this car is now really doing my head in with its problems and paying for something that don't run

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as post 4 then.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Yes, totally agree. I have also been stung by A1 Approved. The front GIF broken and they call it wear and tear also. Car sales Garage Victoria Station Garage, St Helens MISOLD CRAP warranty Like you say, not wear the paper it's written on as JACK is a sly fox and states WEAR AND TEAR to get out of paying out. RUBBISH COMPANY Sorry you also got stung.

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