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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.   House or Flat? Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. Lenders have a legal obligation to sell the property for the best price they can get. If they feel the offer is low they won't sell it, because it's likely the borrower will say the same. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Again, points as above. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) Why serve a delapidations notice? If it's in the terms of the lease to maintain the property to a good standard, then serve an S146 notice instead as it's a clear breach of the lease. I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. Enfranchisement isn't something that can be "voided", it's in the Leasehold Reform Act 1967 that leaseholders have the right to buy the freehold of the property. It's normal, whether it is a "normal" leaseholder or a repossession with a leasehold house, to claim this right of enfranchisement and sell the property with said rights attached and the purchase price of the freehold included in the final completion price. That's likely what the mortgage provider wished to do. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Redact and scan said evidence up for others to look at? Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
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I've just heard from the PATAS (Parking and Traffic Appeal Service) that my appeal against Haringey Council was successful.

 

I was issued with a fine for Driving in a Bus Lane by Haringey Council. I was only in the bus lane as I was turning into a car park! In spite of this the council reject all my appeals and I had to take my case to PATAS. I won as Haringey are guilty of procedural errors in their enforcement notices. If anyone on here has received a bus lane fine (and probably parking fine) from Haringey I would check their notices very, very carefully against the relavent acts (London Local Authorities Act for bus lanes) as you may well find that the council haven't adhered to the law.

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What were the grounds for your appeal?

How many metres did you drive in the bus lane before turning in to the car park?

Did PATAS uphold your appeal, and/or point out other errors in Haringeys

procedures. And were those errors, errors of judgement in turning down your appeal, or errors on the actual penalty notice?

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My grounds for appeal were that Haringey's Enforcement notice didn't comply with the LLAA '96. The adjudicator actually granted my appeal on circumstances other than my original appeal when it became clear to him that Haringey hadn't followed the proscribed procedure. The errors were errors on the notices that they issued.

 

I have since heard that all Haringey PCN's are invalid but I don't know the reason why, I believe that you may find details at appealnow.com

 

 

I would also highly recommend that people view london parking ticket - home page in connection with parking fines. Unfortunately John Squires who used to keep the website up to date no longer runs it and so it is quite out of date BUT much of the information is still valid and the quality of the information is excellent.

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Very interested to know the exact reasons of your success & would you submit a copy of the adjudicators decision to go on the London Motorists Action Group website? also the ham & high would love to run this kind of story

 

you could post it on here as text...

 

helps a lot for other people to be able to quote case names & numbers & the Adjudicators look it up & dont often like to contradict each others decisions. Not a precedent but a persuasive argument!

 

would it work on all Haringey Bus Lane PCNs do you think - or even all CCTV?

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  • 2 weeks later...

Adjudicator's Decision

 

The Adjudicator, having considered this appeal on the basis of written and personal evidence from the Appellant and written evidence from the Council, has allowed the appeal on the grounds that there was no breach of the bus lane order or regulation.

 

The reasons for the Adjudicator's decision are below.

 

The Adjudicator directs the Authority to cancel the Penalty Charge Notice and the Enforcement Notice.

 

Adjudicator's Reasons:

 

I am satisfied from the evidence before me that at 10.48 hours on 11th Nov '05 vehicle registration no. G****** was used in High Rd Tottenham. I am also satisfied that Nurselayer, the appellant at the time were the owners of that vehicle.

 

The issue of this appeal is whether there was breach of the bus lane regulations.

 

Nurselayer appeared in person to present this appeal and made submissions on several points.

 

I have considered the evidence from both parties and will address my judgement to one point and that is the wording of the enforcement notice dated 20th Feb 06. The notice states that if by 20th March 06 Nurselayer fails to pay or make representations, then a charge certificate will issue. Schedule 6 Para 2(3) of the Road Traffic Act '91 states that a local authority may only disregard representations that are received after 28 days from the date the enforcement notice is SERVED. This notice was dated the 20th Feb but the recipient was warned that if they did not pay or make representations 28 days from the date of its ISSUE, a charge certificate would issue. I find that this is a procedural impropriety. In any event Nurselayer made representations, which were received by the local authority on 20th Mar 06 but still a charge certificate appears to have been issued. In those circumstances because of the procedural error I will allow this appeal.

 

 

If anyone wishes to use this as an example in a defence, then the actual case number is 2060200740 - however I would rather that the name of the appellant is not published on this website as I prefer to preserve my anonimity.

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Hi,

I received a PCN from Richmond council charging me with being in a bus lane & it was noted by a CCTV-MD picturures who was observing real time pictures from the road-side camera at 10.55 (this is relevant to tell you) it was also supported by video tape evidence. The actual camera was above the bus lane with a notice under it saying Left turn into Aargon Road (which is where I was turning into) then noitice also said straight onfor buses and other traffice it also had a right hand turn off all at one set of traffic lights. I have since taken photo's of this sign. I went onto Richmond council press office site to see what I could do regarding this appeal, it was then I came across a Temprary suspension of London Road (where bus lane is) for essential lamp column replacement. after reading all the oter garbage on it I noticed the date the date the order will come into effect was Wednesday 12 July 2006 inclusive. it then followed on sayingThe prohibitons of restrictions specified in that Order will apply only during such times and to such extent asindicated by trafficsighn prescribed by the Traffic Sign Regulations and General Direction 2002. Incidently aalso on the form they showed the hours stating vehicle traffic will be permitted to proceed in the following lenghts of the bus lane on the said road from junction with Twickenham Train Station to the junction with Arragon Road 10.ooam t 4.00pm.

(sorry for being so long winded) Anyway, I sent them a letter of disputing this also enclosing a copy of the Tempory suspension notice. I got a letter back saying if I cared to pay £50 now it would be refunded if I won my case (Nice of them!!) also if I wanted a photo request one and one would be sent (Still waiting after a week of that request.

I would be very gratefull if you would advice me further on what steps Im to take or d you think I may just get of with a technical faul on their part.

Look forward to hearing from you

Regards

Kathie:confused:

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You will need to formally challenge their decision. I think you have a good chance of winning from the information that you have provided - if the bus lane is suspended on the day when they caught you I can't see how they can try to enforce it. Make sure that stick to time limits and read very carefully everything that they send you.

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Hi Thanks for getting back to me so promptly, the only worry I have is that at the time I was caught I did'nt see any road works going on. I was thinking that because of the notification of the date for road works just said 12July inclusive I may get away with a technicality as they did'nt state when works would be finished, if I lose this Im liable for £l00 which is disgusting when you try & make an appeal its almost like a punishment for sticking up for yourself.

Will let you know of outcome though.

Kathie

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kathieathome, I would put in your appeal as many reasons for the adjudicator to rule in your favour as possible.

 

Eg 1) You were only in a bus lane so as to turn left.

2) The suspension date was wrong

3) Etc, etc, etc.

 

Again I would look very, very carefully at everything that the council has sent you. In my case part of my appeal was that the law states that the council must put the amount on any increased fine on a PCN and Haringey didn't. Read the law, (most of it is in the LLA Act) and then check that the council have complied with every part of it. If they haven't then put it down in your appeal.

 

If the appeal is unsuccessful then state that you should only pay the reduced amount as you should not be penalised for appealing. You may find that the adjudicator will agree with you and move that the council accept the lower rate. If he/she asks you why you didn't pay the £50 before the appeal tell him that you thought that this might be construed as an admission of guilt.

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Can somebody help?

 

I just got a PCN for parking on Crouch End Hill, N8 at 18:45. The PCN is for 'being in a bus lane' which apparantly the parking zone is, the parking meter showed that the parking was not chargable after a certain time (long before 18:45) so I parked there ... but now have a PCN.

 

a) Is 'being in a bus lane' a valid infingment

b) There are two photos, with three minutes between them, one of these photos shows me unloading the car, is this allowed? This photo does not show the numberplate clearly

c) The address for complaint is in Worthing.

 

Please help or advise.

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You need to start your own thread... this one is over 4 years old!

 

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Can somebody help?

 

I just got a PCN for parking on Crouch End Hill, N8 at 18:45. The PCN is for 'being in a bus lane' which apparantly the parking zone is, the parking meter showed that the parking was not chargable after a certain time (long before 18:45) so I parked there ... but now have a PCN.

 

Obviously they are not going to have pay and display in a bus lane thats why its ended before 18.45

a) Is 'being in a bus lane' a valid infingment

unless you are a bus taxi or pedal cycle yes

b) There are two photos, with three minutes between them, one of these photos shows me unloading the car, is this allowed? This photo does not show the numberplate clearly

they must know your number plate they sent you a PCN, no loading is not allowed

c) The address for complaint is in Worthing.

lovely place full of cheap labour no doubt.

Please help or advise.

 

Unless the PCN is flawed or the bus lane is incorrectly signed nothing you have said so far is relevant. If you need advice post up a copy of the PCN and photos of the bus lane or google maps link.......ON A NEW THREAD

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