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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.    Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.   The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved.  Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
    • You can use a family's address.   The only caveat is for the final hearing you'd need to be there in person   HOWEVER i'd expect them to pay if its only £200 because costs of attending will be higher than that
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PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS GUIDANCE IS RELEVANT FOR AGREEMENTS ENTERED INTO BEFORE 6TH APRIL 2007

 

Next Retail T/A Next Directory are notorious for failing to ensure that as a matter of procedure they obtain a signed credit agreement which complies with the Consumer Credit Act 1974.

 

If you never signed an agreement with Next, then you have a complete defence to any claim they may bring against you and in some cases you could sue them for declaratory relief.

 

Interestingly, Next seem to be raising the "you dont deny having the goods" argument more and more, while on the face of it, it would seem like they are right and are entitled to recover their monies, actually it couldnt be further from the truth.

 

What they are implying is that you have been unjustly enriched by having goods that you do not have to pay for. This cannot be so, the House of Lords declared such in the leading case of Wilson and First County Trust Para 46-49 of Lord Nicholls of Birkenhead's Judgment

 

 

Restitution

 

46. Before considering whether section 127(3) is compatible with article 1 of the First Protocol I must digress to deal with two preliminary matters. The first concerns the legal consequences of section 127(3). When a regulated agreement is rendered irredeemably unenforceable by section 127(3), the lender is unable to enforce the agreement. But does he, quite apart from his (unenforceable) rights under the agreement, have a restitutionary claim against the borrower in respect of the money lent? The parties to the agreement intended the money would be repayable in accordance with the terms of the agreement. Inability to enforce the terms of the agreement does not inevitably carry with it the consequence that the borrower may simply keep the money. Retention of the money, it is said, would be unjust enrichment, for which the appropriate remedy would be an order that the borrower repay what was never intended to be other than a loan. Reliance was placed, by way of analogy, on the decision of the Court of Appeal in Westdeutsche Landesbank Girozentrale v Islington London Borough Council [1994] 1 WLR 938. There a bank paid money to a local authority under an interest rate swap agreement, which was held later to be outside the local authority's powers. The local authority had been unjustly enriched and the bank was entitled to a restitutionary remedy.

 

 

47. A secondary question also arises: if the lender does have a restitutionary claim, is that a matter to be taken into account when considering whether section 127(3) is compatible with article 1 of the First Protocol?

 

 

48. I can deal with these two questions quite shortly, starting with the latter. I am in no doubt that a lender's restitutionary remedy, if he has one, is a matter to be taken into account when considering whether section 127(3) is compatible with article 1 of the First Protocol. The adverse consequences of an alleged infringement of a Convention right cannot sensibly be assessed other than in the round. The real position of the claimant is what matters. If in practice a lender can ameliorate the immediate and directly adverse consequence of section 127(3) by resort to some other right or remedy readily available to him, that is a matter to which the court must have regard. I cannot accept the contrary arguments addressed to the House.

 

 

49. I consider, however, that there is no relevant restitutionary remedy generally available to a lender in the circumstances now under consideration. The message to be gleaned from sections 65, 106, 113 and 127 of the Consumer Credit Act is that where a court dismisses an application for an enforcement order under section 65 the lender is intended by Parliament to be left without recourse against the borrower in respect of the loan. That being the consequence intended by Parliament, the lender cannot assert at common law that the borrower has been unjustly enriched. That would be inconsistent with the parliamentary intention in rendering the entire agreement unenforceable. True, the Consumer Credit Act does not expressly negative any other remedy available to the lender, nor does it render an improperly executed agreement unlawful. But when legislation renders the entire agreement inoperative, to use a neutral word, for failure to comply with prescribed formalities the legislation itself is the primary source of guidance on what are the legal consequences. Here the intention of Parliament is clear.

 

 

 

Above is the paragraphs concerned with unjust enrichment

 

So, me o'le mates at Next dont seem to have such a strong argument when you consider the above case

 

 

Moving back to the issues of enforceability

 

 

If you never signed an agreement with Next, then section 61(1) Consumer Credit Act 1974 was never complied with, as a result the agreement (if there actually was one) is improperly executed as defined within section 65(1) Consumer Credit Act 1974

 

I always make a request for the agreement from Next, they normally write back saying "we cannot locate a copy of your agreement but heres a true copy of what you would have been sent" which in my view means we dont have one, but you will already know that anyway if you never signed one wont you.

 

If there never was a signed agreement it is clear that s127(3) prevents enforcement and will provide a complete defence to any such claim that Next would seek to bring against you

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so, if Next sue you, what options do you have,

 

Well, personally, if you know you never signed an agreement, then it is not something that i would allow to go to trial as it is merely a waste of the courts time.

 

I would strike them out and seek summary judgment on the claim, but that is just my personal view and should not be taken as authoritive or legal advice

 

Grab a N244 application notice

 

in box 3

 

An order (a draft of which is attached) that Summary Judgment be granted in favour of the Defendant pursuant to Part 24 CPR and/or the claimant's claim be struck out because the claimant has no real prospect of succeeding on the claim and there is no other compelling reason why there should be a trial.

 

If the claimant wishes to rely on written evidence, he must file and serve copies on each party at least 7 days before any hearing date set by the court.

4. tick yes,

 

5. at hearing

 

6. 1 hour

 

7 self explanatory

 

8.District

 

9. Claimant

 

Ok Draft order

 

 

IN THE XXXXX COUNTY COURT Claim No:

 

 

 

 

BETWEEN:

 

 

[ ]

 

Claimant

and

 

 

[ ]

 

Defendant

 

 

 

draft/ORDER

 

 

Before District Judge sitting in the............. County Court on the ..... day of .....................2009

 

 

UPON reading the Defendant’s Application Notice dated [ ] and the witness statements filed by the parties

 

AND UPON hearing the Claimant and Defendant

 

IT IS ORDERED THAT:

 

1.The Defendant be granted summary judgment and the claim is struck out.

2.The Claimant do pay the Defendant’s costs of the claim, summarily assessed in the sum of £[ ] within 14 days of the date of this order.

 

 

 

dated 2009

 

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ok now for the witness statement in support of the application for SJ

 

 

On behalf of: Defendant

Witness: [Initials and surname]

Number: [1st] [2nd]

Exhibits: [“ABC1”]

Date:

IN THE XXXXX COUNTY COURT Claim No:

 

 

 

BETWEEN

 

[________]

Claimant

and

 

[________]

 

Defendant

 

 

WITNESS STATEMENT OF [NAME]

 

I, [NAME] of XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX will state as follows:

 

1.[i am a [state occupation or, if none, description, e.g. housewife, retired …] [and the defendant in these proceedings][i am a director of the defendant company and am authorised to make this statement on its behalf]. I make this witness statement in support of the defendant’s application for summary judgment.

 

2. The matters referred to in this witness statement are within my own knowledge, except where I have indicated otherwise. Where any matters contained in this witness statement are not within my own knowledge, I have stated the source of my information.

 

3. There is now produced and shown to me a bundle of documents marked “XXXXX 1”. The exhibit XXXXX1 contains copies of the documents to which I refer in this witness statement

 

4. The Defendant did hold a Next Directory account with the Claimant , the account was a regulated account which was regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974. The Claimant failed to ensure that the Defendant signed an agreement before credit was granted to the Defendant or at all.

 

 

5.on or around the XXXXX the Defendant wrote to the Claimant requesting that the Claimant supply a copy of the credit agreement. the Claimant confirmed that there was no signed agreement, a copy of the letter is attached exhibit XXX 1

 

 

6. It is common ground between the parties that there never was a signed agreement and therefore it is clear that section 61(1) Consumer Credit Act 1974 was not complied with. The sanction for non compliance with s61(1) CCA 1974 is that the agreement cannot be enforced without an order of the court.

 

7. However, the fact that the Defendant did not sign an agreement in accordance with s61(1) CCA 1974 means that section 127(3) CCA 1974 would operate. The account was opened before 6th April 2007 and therefore even though section 127(3-5) has been repealed by the Consumer Credit Act 2006, the repeal is not effective for agreements entered into before 6th April 2007 as set out within schedule 3 section 11 Consumer Credit Act 2006

 

8. Accordingly the provisions of s127(3) confirm that no order for enforcement can be made and therefore the agreement is rendered unenforceable, confirmed by Wilson v First County Trust [2003] UKHL 40 and the Claimants claim must fail.

 

 

9. i believe that the claimant has no real prospect of successfully bringing the claim and there is no other compelling reason for a trial and therefore i ask the court to grant the relief sought.

 

10. as a residual issue, it seems that the Claimant is avering that the Defendant has been unjustly enriched by recieving goods or money on the back of an unenforceable credit agreement. this matter is swiftly dealt with by reference to Lord Nichols of Birkenheads Judgment in Wilson and FCT as refered to above. Para 46-50 of the judgment confirms that where the court finds that an agreement is unenforceable, it is not unjustly enriching the debtor , the consequence was clearly the intention of Parliament and therefore it is clear that the argument put forward by the Claimant that the Defendant has had the goods and should pay lacks any real merit and is not able to succeed

 

11. I therefore request that the court grants the defendant summary judgment in the terms of the draft order attached to the application notice dated [ ].

 

 

 

I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true.

Signed ________________________

Dated ________________________

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Right, the above witness statement is ONLY A SUGGESTION!!!!!!

 

you would need to ensure that it is correct as you will be signing a statement of truth and if you knowingly sign this knowing that the contents are not correct you are in a world of trouble with the court!!!!! so read, check, understand what it says and if you are not sure, ASK!!!!!!! Do not fudge it up for the sake of seeking CLARITY

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if you decide that the SJ application is not the way to go,

 

then

 

you can obviously defend the action.

 

the actual defence is something that really cannot be templated in my view as each claim is different, but a basic defence that i would use if i were being sued is something along the lines of

 

 

1. it is admitted that the Defendant held an account with the Claimant

 

2. the account was a consumer credit account and was running account credit as defined within s10 Consumer Credit Act 1974.

 

3.It is denied that the agreement under which the account operated is enforceable against the Defendant for the reasons set out herein

 

4. the Claimant failed to provide the Defendant with a credit agreement before credit was extended and todate the Defendant has not signed a credit agreement with the Claimant therefore section 61(1) Consumer Credit Act 1974 was never complied with and any agreement is improperly executed as defined by s65(1) CCA 1974 , if the Claimant rejects this contention then the Claimant is put to strict proof of the signed credit agreement which complies with the Consumer Credit Act 1974

 

5. according to section 127 (3) Consumer Credit Act 1974 The court shall not make an enforcement order under section 65(1) if section 61(1)(a)(signing of agreements) was not complied with unless a document (whether or not in the prescribed form and complying with regulations under section 60(1)) itself containing all the prescribed terms of the agreement was signed by the debtor or hirer (whether or not in the prescribed manner).

 

6. therefore, as defined within s127, the agreement is unenforceable and the Claimants claim should fail accordingly

 

7. the Claimant appears to contend that the Defendant has been unjustly enriched. the Defendant denies this is the case and recites paragraph 5 above. in addition the Defendant refers to Para 46-50 of Lord Nichols of Birkenheads Judgment in Wilson and First County Trust [2003]UKHL 40

 

 

8 . The Defendant asks that the court exercise its powers under CPR 3.4(2) and strike out the Claimants claim as it discloses no reasonable grounds for bringing the claim and has no prospect of success at trial

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Thanks guys,

 

I think that from my point of view, the quicker you dispose of a claim with no merit the better.

 

Also if you kill it quick, you wont be allocated to any track so they can be screwed for costs too as even if the debt is small claims material, until its allocated its open to costs

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Great thread!

 

What about accounts opened after the 6th April 2007? Mine was opened in November 2007. They have admitted that they cannot locate a signed agreement (and they never will because I never signed it), but they have said:

 

"Turning now to your comment that in the absence of a signed credit agreement, a debt cannot be legally enforced. We maintain that we are entitled to ask a court to consider the evidence in any case, and make a judgement accordingly. We fully reserve our right to do this. The debt remainsenforecable with consent and we are not in a position to write this off.

In conclusion I must inform you that we do not agree that you have grounds to dispute the account.

This letter acts as our final response and I have enclose a copy of the Financial Ombudsman Service letter, which details how to contact them should you remain dissatisfied."

 

If they don't have a signed agreement, then surely they cannot take me to court?

 

Any advice welcome, as I'm not sure what to do next.

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Hi

I was taken to court a few years ago by Next and currently pay £10 a month off the debt, i'm pretty sure I never signed a cca, is there anything I can do about this now? I have a ccj from Next.

thanks

Lisa x

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