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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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i am in the process of claiming back 6 years of bank charges, i recieved all my statements yesterday, after adding all the charges up i find this amounts too £1,190 can anyone please advise me of the next step to take

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Hi sally,

 

Your next step is to work out how much interest you have also paid.

 

Start a thread in the relevant section, let me know where it is and I'll show you how. You will be amazed how much they really owe you:)

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Which are you claiming against? Barclays- use the Barclays section, Abbey, Abbey's section etc.

 

This site can be a bit confusing!

 

Go here, scroll down and click on your bank. If you cant see it, use the "Other Institutions" bit.

 

Scroll down to the bottom then click on the "New Thread" button and away you go!:)

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Hi BF et al,

Back again in 'thick' mode. Like many others I want to pursue the 'pre 6 years' stratagem BUT, I'm sure, unlike many others I don't quite grasp the tactics. Following the advice of the early runners in the main bank campaign as a whole, I need to understand this in case the wheels come off at court.

I have read that "the period of limitation shall not begin to run until the plaintiff has discovered the fraud, concealment or mistake (as the case may be) or could with reasonable diligence have discovered it. ....". If, therefore the 'period' in question runs from a current date then I'm still only going 6 years back - or am I? Just HOW do I justify claiming 12 or 15 years back so far as s32 is concerned? remember I DID say thick mode.

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Six years does not start counting until you become aware of the unlawful act.

 

In many cases, people cite 6th April 2006 as the day they become aware of the unlawful act of the banks. That date is the date the OFT released their report on penalty charges on credit cards and made reference to other bank agreements like current account, mortgages, etc.

 

As far as the limitation period is concerned, it should only begin to count from 6th April 2006 when the claimant (plaintiff) became aware of the concealment. That means that the limitation period should only apply if you do not pursue your claim before 5th April 2012. That is six years after you became aware of the unlawful act against you.

 

I hope I have tried to explain enough. Please ask more questions if you are unclear.

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Yes you have 6 years from the 6th of april to go back as far as you can on the 6th April2012 no one will be able to go back more than 6 years before that time all is ok but the later people leave it the more difficultto do and when i say latter Im talking years well thats how I understand it

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many thanks Benny and Bona. So I wasn't miles out - this talk of going back into the last century is a non-starter then? Unless, of course, you were some kind of 'clever dick' and knew before 2006 of the banks' perfidy?

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Hi BF et al,

Back again in 'thick' mode. Like many others I want to pursue the 'pre 6 years' stratagem BUT, I'm sure, unlike many others I don't quite grasp the tactics. Following the advice of the early runners in the main bank campaign as a whole, I need to understand this in case the wheels come off at court.

I have read that "the period of limitation shall not begin to run until the plaintiff has discovered the fraud, concealment or mistake (as the case may be) or could with reasonable diligence have discovered it. ....". If, therefore the 'period' in question runs from a current date then I'm still only going 6 years back - or am I? Just HOW do I justify claiming 12 or 15 years back so far as s32 is concerned? remember I DID say thick mode.

 

Hi Kenny,

 

s.32 (1)(b) provides that where there has been concealment of any fact relevant to the claimant's right of action the time does not start to run until the discovery of the concealment. So if a charge was incurred say March 1996 and there was concealment of a fact relevant to the cause of action for the purposes of the Limitation Act the time will start to run from discovery. So if you discover the concealment in March 2006 you have 6 years from 2006 to bring your claim ie March 2012 for ANY charges incurred under the concealment.

 

So the question then becomes what have the banks concealed. It has to be a concealment of facts as oppose to law. You can not assert that the concealed the fact that the charges were unlawful as this is concealment of the law and is bound to fail.

 

What the banks have concealed is how much it costs them to bounce a cheque or deal with other transgressions. This is a fact which is relevant to the cause of action. Without this knowledge the customer is in no position to determine whether or not they have a right of action.

 

Next question is when did the customer discover this concealment. That would be 21st March 2007... the date of Whistleblower. This revealed that Yorkshire Bank had a costing system which showed that it could not cost the bank more than 2.00 to deal with the various breaches. By implication its likely that this would be the same costing for other banks give or take a little.

 

The time then begins to run for any charges ever incurred from the date of discovery. This means that you have until 21st March 2013 to bring a claim for any charges incurred prior to 21st March 2007.

 

Hope this helps

 

Zoot

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I have recently started my own thread, Dr hunter vs clydesdale bank. I am still waiting for statements for my current account, sent letter asking for statements at the end of january, recieved the sorry will be more than 40 days blah blah letter on the 07/03/07. I am keen to send a letter saying that i still have not recieved 6 years statements and could i increase this to 12 years statements plus include 90's closed accounts. could someone help me with this letter? my original request letter was specific to certain accounts and asked for 6 years(standard money saving expert). my thread is Dr Hunter vs Clydes(over 6 yrs using eng crt) .

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VM Thanks for the affirmation Zoot - do we have any idea when the new templates might be up; and now to pay CONSIDERABLY more interest to the threads dealing with CI etc; d'you know, perhaps I'm not too old for this **** after all!!

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I realise this is probably asked in the thread somewhere, but

As the data will be held manually after the 6yrs [more than likely] do we allow them more time to process the SAR?

 

Is there a new SAR template to be used or just alter the existing one?

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I realise this is probably asked in the thread somewhere, but

As the data will be held manually after the 6yrs [more than likely] do we allow them more time to process the SAR?

 

 

No the 40 days is set out in statute.

 

Is there a new SAR template to be used or just alter the existing one?

 

The existing one does not specify a time limit so they are obliged to send all info they hold on you irrespective of date. Although you could alter the wording to make it explicit that you wish data prior to 6yrs.

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