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    • Please bear with me here i shall try and make this short but with all the detail, but i need help ASAP as there is limited time allowed for this process. I have been with my company 4 years and have advanced through the technical ranks to my current position,  we have an annual report which goes from 0-4 and for three years i have never scored lower than a 3. I was promoted to the role i am in now as an area quality assurance lead and the location was for the NE ( i live in the NW) eventually a similar role became available for another role in the NW. I asked my line manager if he minded me applying for it and he had no issues, i applied sat the multi stage interview and was given the role. My role is now classed as "at risk" of redundancy as we are moving from 4 regions to two which means they are also moving from 4 roles to two roles in my position. Two people are considered safe and myself and another at risk, my question is what is the criteria to separate safe from at risk . In the documentation received from my company it is below, i have zero issues and i know cv against cv mine wins, i was even selected by the company as a company mentor because of my experience in engineering and leadership. This is a closed group of maybe ten people and i am the only non senior executive included.    ·         Performance and Behaviour : I have zero behaviour issues, no issues with performance from my current line manager.  ·         Performance Improvement/ Disciplinary Records   : Zero disciplinary's and no performance issues, in fact my line manager on record has said I'm forthcoming ·         End Of Year Rating : Issues explained below Now my line manager was leaving the company and he did tell me "there was some politics involved with you getting that role, the city build manager and head of area build had promised it to their lead engineer (something they had no right to promise as it has to go though the process ) anyway from day 1 it became very clear that i would not be accepted for this reason within their community although i did just try to help them achieve quality and specification as that was my role. After a few weeks it became very apparent as to why the role had been promised to their man, i found issues where properties had been signed off as ready to accept subscribers when they were not ready (for bonus and stat reasons) and several quality issues i discovered which we could remedy and improve our productivity (unfortunately this would highlight that these issues had been there and not dealt with) My new head of area build (part of this trilogy of him, city build manager and lead engineer)  clearly did not want me there (for the reasons stated) but paid lip service, i had highlighted that i needed to walk off some structured with our canter of excellence counterparts ( as this was part of my role to link in with them for national issues) and he responded by saying i am not to walk them off, and that we have sufficient engineers to do that task (by saying this he could make sure that the engineers would take them round to structures that are A not the ones i have highlighted, and B would have very minor issues) This battle went back and forth over the months where i tried my best to build up the relationship with  them, my attitude was ok you have made some mistakes here, but we are all a team and even though you have hidden issues i can help you remedy them and hopefully we can do so and keep them off the radar,  but they just never did, So moving forward to October last year (2023) this is getting near to annual review time, now i had helped the company out massively by working a substantial amount of weekends and nights to fix issues, and i said i would take most of the time as TOIL ( as agreed with by my previous head of area build) this was 30 days. My current head of area build said i needed to put my leave in as it had been flagged as having a large amount. When i did input the leave (it would result in me taking all of December off) he was unhappy with me and was extremely curt in his responses as he could find nothing on the system for my TOIL , i explained the situation, my line manager would ask if i could work the hours, i would, and when i wanted leave he would authorise (we had an good working relationship, he was an excellent manager) he ended up going to HR to ask their advice and a teams call was set up with myself, head of area build and HR, it was confirmed by HR that it was a company error, when you want to input TOIL there should be a dropdown option in the leave menu and one of the options would be TOIL, this had not been setup on mine. So the company authorised the leave explaining that this should have been done and hadn't, i did say that this is the way it had always been and pretty much everyone on my team then operated this way, TOIL had never been discussed and none of had this option available. So i entered my leave from 4th December - 2nd January,  My line manager was an outside contractor and was leaving the company on the 15th December. On my return i found that we had a new head of area build, it would be a temporary position as they were not going to fill the position permanently and he would be covering his role (Scotland) and this role (NW). I contacted him to say that i had not received my end of year report yet and when would this happen as i had not sat with my line manager tor mine. A little over a week later my HoAB and i had a teams call, it was a introduction meeting and end of year report, he said that he had received feedback from the outgoing manager and he had given me a 2 (i have as explained before never scored lower than a 3) he asked hoe long i had been in the current role (just over a year) as this grade can mean you are new to the role and need a little supervision, haven't built up relationships with stakeholders etc. So he explained what my grade and bonus would be and if i had any feedback, i explained that this was unfair, i had proof that i had not met my targets (i say targets as there were never really any set, but going from emails and conversation we have had, and the job description) i had even created Powerpoint presentations which were very complex into how our network works from beginning to end  as there was distinct lack of knowledge here and i am a lead trainer / assessor (this btw he was extremely impressed with) He did say he had spoken to people in the centre of excellence which o believe was the head of operations, and he did look confused as to the disparity in feedback from them and the original manager that wrote my report. I contacted HR to raising my concerns that i had not sat with my line manager to go through my report,  had i had the chance to do so, i could have rebutted anything said as i had proof of my achievements even though he had set no defined targets, i could prove that i had been extremely active in identifying and remedying issues, HR did come back to me and these are their comments  1) "Your rating was submitted by your manager at the time xxx xxxxxx and he should have carried out an EOY review with you. The rating would not have been provided in this review but feedback should have been shared" [this never happened] 2)  Initial ratings where then discussed and reviewed during a calibration process (for your team) this will have included HOABs and RDs. During this session ratings can be challenged and changed. I can confirm that your rating was not changed as a result of this session and it remained at the rating that xxx submitted. 3) xxx did provide thorough feedback to xxx xxx in a handover so if not already done so it may be worth speaking with him to understand that feedback further.   4) In terms of reputation and the concern you share – ratings are not made public and are private to each individual. 5) And this first line obviously is incorrect " As far as i can see this would be the only separator they could have measured me on to separate safe from not safe, and if so the company did not follow its own procedure. My current line manager said " an error had occurred as you had not received the option to  sir with your manager for your review, and the company needs to make sure this error does not happen again) Well then they are admitting there was an issue and it needs remedying not sweeping under the carpet. All of this is documented. To remind the rating of a 2 is not a concerning grade. Please see descriptor below Generally, needs little supervision but does on occasion require direction/supervision. Does not always anticipate changes to the work environment and could adapt more quickly. May be seen as a strong performer in certain situations or by some audiences but may not perform at that level in all situations. May need some development or guidance to carry out some elements of role. May not consistently demonstrate the right behaviours. May have been on Performance Improvement during the year but has since shown strong improvement        
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    • I think for the moment you will have to wait for the return of the dress to you And then take some decent photographs which will show the damage very clearly. You will have to provide these to parcel to go but also you will need them as evidence for the court if that's the way this matter goes . Let us know when you get the dress and you have the photographs. It would be helpful to see the photographs here. In the meantime I suggest that you start reading as many of the stories on the subforum as you can manage in 2 or 3 days and that means quite a lot. In particular read the pinned posts at the top of the subforum which will explain the principles involved which you will probably have to use if you bring the matter to court. When you have done the reading, when you have received the dress and when you have the photographs then come back here and we can go to the next step      
    • Solid blocks of text are very difficult for people to follow and especially when they are using small screens such as telephones. This discourages people from giving you the kind of help that you need. Please will you make sure that your posts are properly spaced and punctuated in future.  I have done this one for you on this occasion
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Wouldnt we be notified if there was a stay tho? Im hoping that coz we are so far down the line that it will go ahead still. Now you've confused me even more!!!!! lol, regarding the letter about the stay. Jeez, wot to do for the best.

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yes, it says that in that link they gave you - if they were to turn up and ask for a stay and hadn't notified you that they were going to do it - then you point it out to the judge.

 

there's been some great reading on here lately -

take a look at these -

 

OFT v Banks - **Don't panic!!!**

 

Found this in new posts - very encouraging

 

 

welshb, someone said if you put it on a larger font the settled claims comes out clearer.

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sha I'm Totally confused

I read a thread earlier today where someone conacted DG and they were told that HSBC has instructed DG not to make any more offers and to ask for a stay in every case.

 

I think the best plan is as freaky, lattie and co says and carry on as normal

 

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it's like this - if you haven't yet filed in court - you'll get a letter saying they won't even look into it - so - as bookworm suggests - just go ahead and file to be in line for a payout later.

 

if you are waiting for a specific court date - we think that it will proceed to an offer or to court where dg will ask for a stay - but they have missed deadlines and court directions and the judge will not take kindly to this - so go prepared - with a copy of the letter what letter????

 

sorry, meant to post this one to read as well.....Application for removal of staty

 

so, that should help. so that's everybody at the very early stages and at the later stages - i think it is the poor peeps in the middle - like just at the end of the 28 days who will get theirs stayed until after the test case. i think all three of you par, welshb, manicb, - all with court dates coming up soon - should keep doing exactly as you were doing before - and write that letter to take with you - but hopefully you'll get offers.

and yes, i read what dg said as well - but i still think what i've just written.

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Thanks Lats, will keep on keeping on!!!

Just read that thread on new posts - brilliant, made me giggle big time. Will print out that letter to take just in case its needed.

 

Thanks again

Sha:)

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Does anyone have or know of aletter that can accompany a Bundle? Its not been asked for but thought i would send one to DG as a BIG nudge!!

 

Lats - regarding the printing of the successful claims, it comes out fine, just not all of the page it only gives me the 1st 3 columns when i copy and paste....any ideas?

Much appreciated

Sha

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Here is a copy of my letter to DG. You can adapt it to suit your needs and add a huuuuge nudge to it:-

 

DG Solicitors

12 Calthorpe Road

Edgbaston

Birmingham

B15 1QZ

Date

Re: xxxxxxxxxxx- v - HSBC

account no: xxxxxxxx

claim no: xxxxxxxxx, Filing date:xx.xx.xx.

I refer to our preliminary hearing in this matter which is scheduled for the xx.xx.2007 at xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx County Court.

 

Although this matter is listed for further directions and preliminary hearing and papers have not been requested at this stage, I am enclosing with this letter the papers that I will be presenting and evidence that I will be calling upon at this and any future hearing.

With kind regards,

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OMG - just rang the court to get a bit of extra info and the man in listings told me that all the cases were with someone who is going through them all ready for the 14th (so ours must still be going ahead?).

He said there are 800 to be sorted!!!

nearly fell of the chair........... thats gone up from a couple of weeks ago

Sha

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Just got off the phone to Cardiff Court and the woman I spoke to said the same.... all to be stayed :( . She then went on to say that it would be pointless sending anything in, although we could appeal against the stay/judgment but I would have to state why my case stands out more than any other>

Now totally confused about what to do..... I printed out the letter against the stay.

Any suggestions as whats next

Thanks Sha

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Hi Sha Very frustrating all this. I think we should object to the stay. I am going to send the letter in. In fact when I spoke to the court this morning they told me everything was going to proceed as normal. I don't think we should accept this without a fight.

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Hi Sha Very frustrating all this. I think we should object to the stay. I am going to send the letter in. In fact when I spoke to the court this morning they told me everything was going to proceed as normal. I don't think we should accept this without a fight.

 

I agree I'm starting to copy my letter now, I'm also going to send evidence that I've done everything possible to bring this case to a conclusion, at one stage I offered DG the opertunity to offer me a reduced settlemement but they saw fit to ignore all my efforts and corrrespondence, they should not be rewarded for this unprofessional conduct

 

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Parian, I had the same issue with DG. My claim was stayed from 22 May until July 8th - in order for us to agree an offer.

 

In that time I sent 3 letters (recorded) and a number of emails.

 

I did not get a single reply to any of it.

 

I have now been given a hearing date for 28th Aug. although this may get Stayed because of the OFT case.

 

They seem to be able to play the system the way they want.

 

Kev.

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Parian, Shelley... We should keep in touch....it is a travesty that they are able to further delay things... . .Are you both in Cardiff? How about a meeting to discuss tactics on Sat 11th ... they cannot ignore hundreds of us objecting to stays surely ??

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As our date is only just over a week away - I was hoping the judge might just carry on for this month as its so close.

Ian, what will you be sending in with your "stay" letter? all the correspondence you have sent or what?

Thanks

Sha

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Hi Sha

 

I am going to send all the correspodnce sent to DG to the judge along with a letter requesting that the Stay be lifted but not until I have had confirmation from the courts.:(

 

Maybe we could all request a special hearing of some sort from Judge Hickinbottom?? How can they get away with wasting so much court time and not get penalised! Very unfair I think!!:mad:

 

Manic.

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