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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.   House or Flat? Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. Lenders have a legal obligation to sell the property for the best price they can get. If they feel the offer is low they won't sell it, because it's likely the borrower will say the same. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Again, points as above. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) Why serve a delapidations notice? If it's in the terms of the lease to maintain the property to a good standard, then serve an S146 notice instead as it's a clear breach of the lease. I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. Enfranchisement isn't something that can be "voided", it's in the Leasehold Reform Act 1967 that leaseholders have the right to buy the freehold of the property. It's normal, whether it is a "normal" leaseholder or a repossession with a leasehold house, to claim this right of enfranchisement and sell the property with said rights attached and the purchase price of the freehold included in the final completion price. That's likely what the mortgage provider wished to do. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Redact and scan said evidence up for others to look at? Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
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Just to make sure i've got everything straight,

 

I submitted the claim on MCOL on 26/03/07 and letter back states that it has been issued on 27/03/07 and deemed to be served on 01/04/07 and the the defendant has till 15/04/07 to reply.

 

Had acknowledgement of my claim on 29/03/07 and the letter advises that the defendant has 28 days from the date of service of the claim form to file a defence.

 

So, does this mean that they have 28 days from 29/03/07 to file a defence....so until 26/04/07?

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Hi Janey

 

Thanks for that. Time for the waiting game now. I've already sent my shedule of claim off to DG, do you think I should chase them to see if they've recieved it, or just wait for them to submit their defence?

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well, its a good idea to give them a ring, check they've received your schedule... likely you'll have to leave a message,, but they usually phone you back. they must be sooooo busy with all these claims..... :grin:

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Hi all

 

I've been trying to call DG but can't get through (surprise, surprise). They've got until 29th to file a defence. Does anyone know where I can find a copy of a nudge letter to get a few ideas?

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the nudging doesn't apply until after their defence is filed - if you were thinking of nudging now - you'll just have to wait like everyone else does.

if, after the defence is filed, you'd like to try a letter - they are found on two threads i've written - after you've filed your aq and new after 28 days, maybe no aq.

the one thing you can do - did you send your breakdown to the court and also to dg? you could ring dg to see if they have received your breakdown - but don't expect anything other than a quick yes from them.

we advise not to bug them - let them get on with the business of making offers.

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Thanks for the advice Lat:), I'll just have to wait then. I left a message on DG's voicemail and they called me back to confirm that they recieved my breakdown but could not give me any timescales. I just left it at that. I could do with the money now, so hope this doesn't drag on too long.

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take up knitting - you'll have a jumper made by the 29th. let us know if you hear anything or when the 29th gets here - meanwhile - you can read up on what happens next or help newbies who only have 1 or 2 responses to their threads - believe it or not - you are now an old hand at the early stuff. here's the link to my two threads for the next bit -

When you have filed your AQ................ (multipage.gif1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page) New---after 28 Days - Maybe No Aq!!!!!!! (multipage.gif1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page)

 

i know what you mean - most peeps could use the money now - but it's a process and it's not a fast one - but i should say you are over half way now - maybe more - just hang tough for a bit longer!

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I've received a letter from the courts advising that the claim has been transferred to my local court. The section in the letter regarding the allocation questionnaire has been crossed out so I'm assuming that I won't be sent one. But there isn't a court date. T guess i'll get another letter shortly.

 

I'm goingto draft my nudging letter today and get the ball rolling.

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Just come back from holiday today. Got a bit of a scare though...picked up a british paper with an article stating that someone went to court for a claim against Lloyds TSB and lost. I'm bricking it now!! I'm starting to think that this may go wrong, does anyone know any more details.

 

I still haven't heard anything from the court since my Notice of Transfer letter on 2/05/07. Called the courts today and was told that they are really behind so to leave it another week before I call. I just want my money. I'm sending off another nudge letter today, fingers crossed DG will send me an offer soon.

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go on lloyds forum and see the lot - the guys thread - the judgment - bankfodder's response. it's all there. it was a one off - now if anyone is doing a court bundle - they include t & c's. business as usual.

you are doing the only thing you can do to help things - nudge and send a breakdown with each one.

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Hi Pink, I'll keep an eye on your thread then. Money's really tight now so an offer would be fantastic. This whole thing is just taking ages now. I was confident that i'd get my money but this Lloyds thing has made me unsure, never mind though i'm sure we'll get our dosh.

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I've resigned myself to the fact that I will not get my money until a court date is given. DG are not dealng with my claim with any urgency. So its just a matter of time & for my claim to rise up in their 'to deal with now' pile.

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Hi guys

 

No news. I've been callingthe court but keep being told that it is with the judge and they can't give me a timescale due to the amount of cases they've had relating to bank charges. Apparently he is putting them all together or something. Boooo, this is taking ages now

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