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A Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi (200 P S) 4x4 Wildtrack  Double Cab Pickup 3200cc (Sep.2015) Registration No, ******* Chassis number ***************** (“The Vehicle”).  A copy of the agreement is attached   2.  The price of the goods was £15,995.00.  The Initial Rental was £8500.00.  The total charge for credit was £3575.;17 And the balance of £11,070.17 was payable by 59 equal consecutive monthly instalments of £187 63. payable on the 25th of each month.   3.  The following were expressed conditions of the set agreement,   Clause 8: Our Right to End this Agreement  8.1   Subject to sending you the notice as required by law, any of the following events will entitle us to end this Agreement: 8.1.2  You fail to pay the advance payment (if any) or any of the payments as specified on the front page of this agreement or any other sum payable under this Agreement. 8.1.3 If any of the information you have given us before entering into this Agreement or during the term of this Agreement was false 8.1.4 We consider, acting reasonably, that the goods may be in jeopardy or that our rights in the goods may otherwise be prejudiced. 8.1.5 If you die 8.1.6 If a bankruptcy petition is presented against you; if you petition for your own bankruptcy, or make a live arrangement with your creditors or call a meeting of them. 8. 1.7 If in Scotland, you become insolvent or sequestration or a receiver, judicial factor or trustee to be appointed over any of your estate, or effects or suffer an arrestment, charge attachment or other diligence to be issued or levied on any of your estate or effects or suffer any exercise, or threatened exercise of landlords hype hypothec 8.1.8 If you are a partnership, you are dissolved 8.1.9 If the goods are destroyed, lost, stolen and/or treated by the insurer as a total loss in response to an insurance claim. 8.1.10 If we reasonably believe any payment made to us in respect of this Agreement is a proceed of crime. 8.1.11 If steps are taken by us to terminate any other agreement which you have entered into with us.   Clause 9.  Effect of Us Terminating Agreement   9.1 If this Agreement terminates under clause 8 the following will apply 9.1.1 Subject to the rights given to you by law, you will no longer be entitled to possession of the goods and must return them to us to an address as we may reasonably specify, (removing or commencing the removal of any cherished plates) together with a V5 registration certificate, both sets of keys and a service record book. If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate   4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:-   a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement number 756050. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     Thw total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by Firrst class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges ]= 5.  A the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or  alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage.   Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs.   Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024   What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg
    • Now that is an interesting article which adds afew perspective that I hadn't thought significant - but on reflection of the perspectives offered ... Now Starmer is no Blair, however 'blairite he may be perceived, but the Tories aren't tories and aren't even remotely liberal   The fast 'unannounced and unexpected election call from sunack may well be explained by the opinion linked that he hoped reform would be unprepared and effectively call a chunk of Farages largely empty bluster - making him look even more of a prat, leave scope for attacks on shabby reform candidates and mimimise core vote losses to reform - while throwing the 'middle ground' (relative) tories TO THE DOGS - and with the added bonus of likely pacifying his missu' desire to jogg off to sunny cal tout suite somewhat   thumb in the air - I expect about 140ish tory seats, but can hope for under a hundred Reform - got to admit the outside possibility of 1, maybe 2 seats with about 8% of the vote - but unlikely. I think projections of over 10% of the vote for reform is nudged and paid for speculation - but possible with the expected massive drives from Russian, Chinese and far right social media bot and troll prods targeting the gullible.
    • Commentary June 2024 WWW.ELECTORALCALCULUS.CO.UK Interesting article about just how bad it could be for the Tories.  Also Tories could be hoping on Reform not having candidates in many seats, as they were not ready.  
    • Even a Piers Morgan is an improvement and a gutless Farage Piers Morgan calls for second Brexit referendum WWW.THELONDONECONOMIC.COM Piers Morgan and Nigel Farage have faced off over Brexit and a second referendum in a heated reunion on BBC Question Time.   “Why don’t we have another referendum about Brexit?” he questioned. “I seem to remember when 2016 came around we were told there was going to be control of our borders and it was going to be economically beneficial to this country. And eight years later we have lost complete control of our borders… and economically it seems to have been a wilful act of self-harm.”   ... Piers missed off : after all somebody said a 48/52 decision would be "unfinished business" by a long way - was that person just bul lying (again)  
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CRS, who needs enemies with friends like that... I hope you guys don't mind my story and maybe giving me a bit of advice.

 

In July 2008 I signed a 12 month contract with a local gym. As most people in this thread, the Direct Debit was taken out by Harlands, which we know is the same company as CRS. However, after just over a month I developed a bad rash on those joints that touched the machines there and the only explanation for me was and still is that I had an allergic reaction to either one of their cleaning products or whatever one of the other members there was using. I had several heated discussions with the gym staff, which would get into too much details and isn't important for the CRS issue, but at the end of all of it, I got told that my membership will be cancelled, but that I can always "come back in half a year or so". Naively I did not insist on something written, cancelled my Direct Debit and forgot about the whole thing.

 

Middle of last year I received a letter from our buddies at CRS, telling me they act on behalf of Harlands and I owe almost £500, which is made up out of membership fees for the remaining 10 months and tracing fees, as I dared to move house without informing a gym I thought I did not have a contract with anymore. I wasted some time by calling CRS and dealing with a very snotty guy there, but me being me (and German!!), he did not get me to panic and do anything stupid. I put the phone down on him after a bit and got in touch with the fitness studio. The financial director there was very apologetic and confirmed that my contract should have been properly cancelled, but his colleague made a mistake and only set it "on hold for 6 months". After that Harlands tried taking money from my account again, but were blocked due to the cancelled direct debit. Anthony, the gym guy, confirmed that he will completely cancel my membership now, with effect from September 2008. He even got in touch with both Harlands and CRS in order to resolve the issue, but no luck. They only told him that I could pay a settlement fee of £147, but there would be no way that I would not have to pay anything. Anthony then wrote me an email, confirming that the membership is cancelled with effect 09/08 and that I don't owe any money...

 

Can you believe that? CRS dares to tell the gym that held the contract in the first place that they cannot release me from anything? How crazy is that?

 

Anyway, I found this forum months ago and went off to send the letter that I am not acknowledging any debts and so on to CRS, including the request for a copy of my contract. I made sure I included some details of the cancellation BY THE GYM and even attached the emails from Anthony. For another month or so I did not hear anything, but then all of a sudden they sent me another letter, with a copy of the agreement, more of their standard threats and a "draft" for the court proceedings... blablabla.

 

I know moved house again and don't even consider giving them my new address... they have not tried calling me since I requested that any contact can only be in written. Is there anything I should do now? I am quite sure they do know that they don't stand a chance in court, as I have proof about the cancellation, but what if they find out that I don't live at my old address anymore and don't get any of their communication? I am not on the electoral roll at the new property yet and probably won't be for a while, as I need to sort issues with Equifax first (they haven't updated my details from the move 1 year ago yet, Experian did though). Will CRS maybe think that if I don't get their letters, I won't get court letters and they get away with a CCJ as I won't defend myself? What do you guys think I should do?

 

Many thanks,

Kat

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Hi....I'm hoping someone can help me. This is my first post :)

 

I joined Lifestyle Fitness June 09. I used the gym for a few months then suffered from an accident at work causing me to go on the sick and unable to use the gym. I had very little wage coming in so cancelled my direct debit in November (christmas coming and all that). Anyway, stupidly i ignored the letters from the gym. I now have a new letter from CRS which holds a copy of a very legal looking document (claim form). It is just a draft but they say if i do not contact them by tomorrow then it will be forwarded to the courts. My membership left to pay is £390, then i have £40 administration fees and £127.75 debt recovery charges. I really don't know what to do.

 

Any advice would be much appreciated. I know i have been stupid.

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Hi everyone!

 

I have just signed up to CAG especially for this thread! I have been paying CRS for nearly 3 years!

After reading this thread today I rang them and asked for a breakdown of the money I originally owed them, it went like this...

 

£418.15 owed:

 

  • £270 owed for defaulted gym membership
  • £40 charge from Harlands for debt recovery
  • £108 charge from CRS

I currently have £86 left to pay and I have told them I will not be paying another penny to them. The man I spoke to was so RUDE! He kept interrupting me and didn't want to let me speak. I told him to button it! I asked to speak to a manager and he said he was the manager!

 

I have now cancelled my direct debit with my bank and will be writing one of your excellent letters tonight to tell them the account is to be closed with immediate effect!

 

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@Kat: Do you have a prescription for the rash or anything that proves you got a rash? If yes your case is solid and write them a letter saying you do not want them to contact you unless through YOUR LOCAL British Court. They will not take you to court so simply ignore them. It is not your responsibilty to let them know anything as you already have in writing that your debt is settled with the gym.

 

@sparkles55: Firstly.. don't panic they wont take you to court...! Did you write to your gym at all explaining your circumstances? or did you just cancel the DD and not say anything to the gym?

 

@chazbang: 150 in debt collection is more than 50% of the actual debt and would certainly be "disproportionate" if you ever went to court. I can't believe you have actually been paying them for 3 years... right on you to cancel the DD!!

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@Kat: Do you have a prescription for the rash or anything that proves you got a rash? If yes your case is solid and write them a letter saying you do not want them to contact you unless through YOUR LOCAL British Court. They will not take you to court so simply ignore them. It is not your responsibilty to let them know anything as you already have in writing that your debt is settled with the gym.

Thank you very much for your reply, which came just in time with a new letter I received from those monkeys on Saturday. Not a word from taking me to court, just that they had to "trace me" (which they most certainly did by receiving a letter back having someone written "try xxx address" on it) and their usual "you have a default on your credit record, which can be rectified by paying" bulls**t.

 

To answer your question, I do not have a prescription or anything, as the doctor just told me to get an over the counter steroid cream like HC45 and that he cannot tell what exactly I am allergic to, as he would have to test me against every single cleaning product used in the studio, every single detergent, fabric conditioner, cream, deodorant and whatnot used by every single person training there... you name it. What I have though is the email from the fitness studio saying

I can confirm that we agreed to back date your cancelation to September 2008 and that there are no fees owed.

 

I do think too that my case is pretty solid and will take your advice. I will today write a letter to inform them that due to the backdated cancellation I do still not acknowledge any debt, to request halt of all communication as long as it is not through my local court, make sure they know that I take them court myself if they keep on harassing me (and that I see all communication outside court as harassment) and just to make sure they don't even try, will include this from the library:

 

"Furthermore, should it be your intention to arrange a “doorstep call”, please be advised that under OFT rules, you can only visit me at my home if you make an appointment and I have no wish to make such an appointment with you.

 

There is only an implied license under English Common Law for people to be able to visit me on my property without express permission; the postman and people asking for directions etc (Armstrong v Sheppard & Short Ltd [1959] 2 QB 384

. per Lord Evershed M.R.). Therefore take note that I revoke license under Common Law for you, or your representatives to visit me at my property and, if you do so, you will be liable to damages for a tort of trespass and action will be taken, including but not limited to, police attendance."

 

From then on I will start to completely ignore them, as I am sure that they won't take me to court... they know they don't stand a chance, I suppose.

Does that sound ok?

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Craftycat... the fact that you went to the doctor means they will have a record of it so you are covered from that point. Your plan and case are solid. I did exactly the same and have not heard from them since. Cheers

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I fought my wife's case with them and after 2 weeks i managed to not pay any fees or DD setup fees.

 

Quick break down of the argument.

 

Gym Membership had 5 sections missing it went 1 2 3 4 10 11 12.... section 4 was the payments part and refferd to section 5 for missing payments and exceptional cercumstanses where the contract could be terminated early, which was not on the membership agreement so i pointed that out and the whole agreement was a big farce and would never stand up in court ( Gamble). But the debt was owed regardless so they debt outstanding -fees will be paid at £5 a month. (could have paid more but it took 3 yrs for this to surface on the wife forgetting about it, and the abuse and letters recieved)

 

First response from them was No get lost so i wrote them a letter saying that they were been taken to court and they would recieve details within 14 days of the Date to attend. And that i will be supplying recordings of the telephone converstations and all letters etc.

 

Response Back.... Your £5 offer is accepted and no charges will be made.

 

Common sense is the law and i stood my ground.

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I've just had big problems with Xpect Health and Fitness and CRS. I think most of what I went through has already been covered on this forum. My problem was giving and paying for one calender months notice instead of one complete calender month. I couldn't get a definition of the difference btween the two and was being legally advised that they are the same - ie. the date of one month to the same date of the following month.

 

People to get advice from are:

 

Fitness Industry Assoc. FIA - fitness industry code of conduct may be able to help you and many gyms are signed up to this.

Office of Fair Trading - look up unfair terms in the fitmess industry

Consumer Direct - they will help and keep in feed into Trading Standards

Community Legal Services will also give you advice

 

I've had a running battle for 6 months now with CRS, I think I am about to pay up but only because I have a life and a local newspaper has agreed to run a story which will probably cost the gym £1000s in lost revenue.

 

I found CRS a bit 'thick' to deal with. They never answer questions just keep repeating the same old same old.

 

I told them as I didn't beleive the debt was owed, not to contact me again until they could provide me with proof of the debt, and that I wanted the following within 10 working days.

 

A copy of the original credit agreement

Statement of account

The original copy of MY terms and conditions

Executed deed of assignment from the 'gym' to CRS.

 

I did make an offer to settle at far below what they were asking but the sent my cheque back. Their latest offer is almost the same as the offer I made before Christmas, which is a third of their original demand

 

 

If things go to court and you have made an offer to settle or repay at a level you can afford then the courts are more likely to find in your favour, but the idea is to keep in contact. They will extend dates if you contact them by phone.

 

If you make a payment - make it under protest and send it recored delivery - this leaves the gym open to a counter claim from you.

 

I shall never join another gym - I'll get a dog to keep fit! I'm more likely to stick with it!:lol:

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They wont take you to court either... don't pay up!

 

Edit: and they can't hold your data for ever so tell them they have a set term to take you to court otherwise they have to remove all personal information they have on you! (data protection act)

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I have been playing letter tennis with CRS since last December. I have offered to pay both the gym directly (they will not speak to me) and CRS the original amount from the gym membership but have refused to pay any charges. They have refused this offer and have sent me a letter with another additional £100 charge with a threat of someone coming round to my house. Ha!

 

The amount outstanding from my membership is only £161 and they now are trying to claim over £350! Surely no court will rule in their favour when I have offered to pay £161 in full!

 

Has anyone actually been taken to court? What should my next move be? This forum has been a wealth of information and advice so thanks to all in advance!

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No one has ever been taken to court. Send them a letter saying as is your right you don't want anyone to visit you and they should stop all communication unless passed through a british court of justice and that if they don't you will report them to the OFT and sue them for harassment. Also point out that their letters and charges go against OFT guidelines on debt collection.

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Hi all,

 

Great posts, really helpful – I’ve got a similar problem with CRS, they just wont leave me alone! :mad:

 

In late 2008 I joined Golds Gym on a minimum 6 months contract. When I was due to move abroad in June 2009, I hand-delivered a letter to the gym which they accepted of me cancelling my membership since I was moving abroad with my husband. I had made all payments due for the 6 months up to when I cancelled my direct debit.

 

When I returned to the UK, I was shocked to find these letters from CRS, the latest one sent in January 2010 telling me they were taking me to court for £445 for unpaid fees and charging me their costs for the debt recovery too! I was so angry! I wrote a letter to CRS following advice on this forum that they are in breach of OFT guidance and therefore I was not going to deal with them, and would be writing to GG directly. I wrote to GG explaining the situation and enclosing a copy of my cancellation letter to them – I have not heard back from them.

 

I did receive a reply letter from CRS straightaway stating that “it is written in the contract that you will be liable for cost of recovery if your account is in default for over 30 days” and that the OFT are aware of their charges and have not informed them that they are in breach. They don’t seem to understand that the contract itself is in breach of OFT guidelines as it has been drafted in such a way that contradicts the guidelines and therefore it is unlikely a court would uphold the clause on debt recovery.

 

They concluded the letter with a “generous offer” that I can pay a reduced sum of £280 to settle the matter – or more perversely, that if I agreed to pay the whole £445, I would be entitled to 6 months’ use of the gym – that’s the last thing I’d ever want to do! :lol:

 

I would like to know if anyone has actually ever been taken to court by CRS? I’m unsure as to whether to just ignore them (which many of you have suggested), or write back to explain myself further – or will this further exacerbate the issue?

 

Any advice would be much appreciated - thanks! :)

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CRS made the same threats to me, however I sent them a letter asking for proof of claim on various points none which they could answer. As yet and it's been well over a year; NO COURT ACTION and letters have stopped. Something interesting for you to consider:

Authority

Authority

We are familiar with those who consider they are “the Authority”, "in Authority", or work for “the Authorities”, etc. What tends to be forgotten is that, by its nature, and by its very definition, ‘authority’ must be EXTENDED in order for it to have any effect.

It must be GIVEN. It CANNOT be just ‘taken’ or ‘assumed’ because that is not what it is. ('Authority' taken via the barrel of a gun' is a CRIME of TRESPASS against the SOVEREIGNTY of an individual).

For the simple reason that a Human operates by free will. In order to operate in accordance with ‘directives’ from some ‘authority’ (i.e. 'someone else'), then the Human’s free will MUST be accepting the will of that someone else. This can only occur if the Human decides to accept the will of someone else.

Accepting and abiding by the will of someone else is the same as saying that the Human EXTENDS AUTHORITY to that someone else.

But, if a Human has free will, then that Human does not need to extend authority to anyone else.

And, if a Human does not have free will, then that Human is a robot. (And, therefore, is not Human after all).

What has happened is the attitude of “safety in numbers” has become ingrained into the public psyche. As in “If I do what everyone else does, then I won’t be picked upon … they’ll leave me alone”.

Which works fine … up to a point. It works fine until they start picking on you ... even though you’ve only ever “done what everyone else does”.

And they start picking on you … and everyone else … because you have extended them the authority to do so … you gave them an inch and (by their very natures) they took a mile.

And that’s the risk that is ALWAYS run when a Human EXTENDS authority to any other Human.

Taking that mile is done very slowly & very carefully. (David Icke calls it “The Totalitarian Tiptoe”).

 

 

 

Permissions

If 'permission' can be granted for any act, then that act must be, fundamentally, LAWFUL. (Otherwise 'permission' could never be granted).

If an act is fundamentally LAWFUL, then a SOVEREIGN individual (not a child) has no need to ask (i.e. 'beg') for permission.

After all, if all are equal, what right does Person "A" have to grant or refuse 'permission' to Person "B"?

Are certain individuals going to claim that they are "more responsible" than others - in order to give them the right to make such assessments? How do they define "more responsible"? In 1215 it was realised that only a Jury of 12 could make judgments upon others, and that those judgments had to be collective ... because no single individual can lay any single-handed claim to that Right.

If any individual claims this Assessment Right for themselves, then the correct description of that individual is: "arrogant hypocrite". Anyone who makes a claim to grant or refuse 'permission' must have a Personality Disorder. The only exception is in the case of children. A parent must be able to grant or deny requests from their children.

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NOBODY has an authority in your affairs unless you grant them the authority. If you enter in agreements and grant authority then you have a contractual obligation. Also where is the debt or loss incurred by said DCA and if they have purchased the debt from anyone then they have a contract with whoever they purchased it from. Your account will have be zero'd with the original creditor so it has been remedied and their books balanced.

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Has anyone got any updates on this?

 

I'm in a boringly similar position to many who've posted - I cancelled my Gold's membership, they didn't record that I'd done so, a year later I start getting demands from CRS for £700, fake court papers, etc. I've been back and forth with them via letter, now I'm at the point where I'm about to write and say 'contact me only via a court' etc....you all know the gist.

 

Just wondering; have any of you actually been taking to court? Everyone seems to be saying not, but I'd like to hear if anyone has an update?

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I have been having problems with these people for two years.

 

Theyw ere chasing my partner for money. I paid the outsnding fees, but told them they weren't getting a penny in fees. Numerous letters back and forth, they claimed the debt wasn't covered by CCA. I requested copy of original contract which stated clearly that it was covered by CCA. I asked them to make all future contact with myself rather than my partner, as is a right under the CCA, and to stop harrassing my prtner. They have continued to address all contact to her!!

 

I have told them numerous times of my rights and their obligations under CCA ande xplined why I consider there charges to be unreasonable, they juts ignore these letters sent Registered as if I had never asked the questions. They do not provide any information requested etc. They kept sendinbg those draft court documents and in the end I said fair enough take us to court, then it all stopped.

 

I had heard nothing form them for over 12 months and assumed that it had all gone away then this morning my partner gets a letter saying that they are sending someone round to collect the money!!!!!!

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Thanks, '27. I'm grateful for your response, and I sympathize. I think I read the earlier part of your story further up the thread.

 

I've been playing letter tennis with them since Christmas. Originally, naively, I replied as if they would actually care about the substance of my argument. It soon became obvious (and the stories in this thread confirm it) that they're aware they're basically trying to steal from people - claiming money with isn't owed in the first place - and they just don't care.

 

Oh, I'm not the best person to ask, but there's advice (here and elsewhere) about how to legally insist they don't come to your house. Please do look into it.

 

Good luck, and keep updating.

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Hi

(this is my first post ;-)

 

Last year i signed up for ladyzone gym, which my nan paid for (she passed me the money and the DD was set up from my bank). In June last year i had a car accident which prevented me from using the gym an my nan died in Aug last year, which then cut short my funding.

I told the gym what had happened and explained that i could not afford £42 a month as im a student and a single parent. The gym seemed nice to my face.

 

Then came the letter from CRS askin for the rest of the money, on the 26th feb 2010 i recieved a letter and attatched is a court claims form, which scared me a little so i put it in the cupboard hoping nothing would come of it.

Then yesterday i recieved another letter saying in big bold red text "A FIELD COLLECTOR FROM face2face contact WILL BE INSTRUCTED TO VISIT YOUR PROPERTY TO COLLECT PAYMENT FROM YOU"

Then they have stated cost of employing face2face which is £141.44!!!!

 

What is my best first move, i really need to sort this out i cant have people knocking at the door and taking my things, i have majour problems with the post man coming as my son has autism and people scare him!!

 

Thank you xx

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Face to Face are a bunch of self employed collectors who have NO LEGAL POWER WHATSOEVER.

 

Should one of these wretches arrive at your door tell the to go away (in words of your own choosing ;) )

 

Should they fail to go away then phone the police and report a breach of the peace.

 

Remember they are just nobodies and have no right to be on your property. There is a letter you could send to CRS but personally I wouldnt waste the stamp.

 

These clowns cannot enter your property nor can they remove any goods. If they did so they would be committing a criminal offence

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