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    • Thank you very much for your help. To answer your two questions:  1. I did not send a CPR request when the Claim Form arrived. 2. They did send a claim form, in March 2023. This is the document from which I copied the particulars of their claim.  
    • Thanks. That's a lot to wade through.  Will get on to it. Two other quick questions. Did you send them a CPR request when the claim form arrived? Are you sure they didn't send a Letter of Claim before they sued you?
    • Hi there, Here is the sticky filled out as best as possible:  Which Court have you received the claim from? MCOL (County Court Business Centre, Northampton) Name of the Claimant: Uk Parking Control Limited Claimants Solicitors: DCB Legal Date of issue: March 2023 Following events: — DQ sent to me July 2023 — I filed a DQ in September 2023 — My claim was transferred to [my local court] September 2023 — Received Notice of Allocation to Small Claims Track (Hearing) including date for hearing in April 2024 — Witness statement due by May 14 — Claimant must pay court fees by May 17 — Court hearing on June 18   What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim? Please type out their particulars of claim (verbatim) less any identifiable data and round the amounts up/down. 1. The defendant is indebted to the claimant for a Parking Charge issued at [x] issued to vehicle [__] at Walcot Yard, Walcot Road, Bath, Ba1 5bg. 2. The PCN details are [___]. 3. The PCN(s) was issued on private land owned or managed by C. The vehicle was parked in breach of the Terms on Cs signs (the Contract), this incurring the PCNs. 4. The driver agreed to pay within 28 days but did not. D is liable as the driver or keeper. Despite requests, the PCN is outstanding. The Contract entitles C to damages.  AND THE CLAIMANT CLAIMS 1. £160 being the total of the PCN(s) and damages. 2. Interest at a rate of 8% per annum pursuant to s.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 from the date hereof at a daily rate of [x]p until judgement or sooner payment. 3. Costs and court fees   What is the value of the claim? ~260 Amount Claimed ~170 court fees ~35 legal rep fees ~50 Total Amount  ~260   Have you moved since the issuance of the PCN? No   Did you receive a letter of Claim With A reply Pack wanting I&E etc about 1mth before the claimform? No Here is the defence I filed:  DEFENCE 1. The parking charges referred to in this claim did not arise from any agreement of terms. The charge and the claim was an unexpected shock. The Defendant denies that the Claimant is entitled to relief in the sum claimed, or at all. It is denied that any conduct by the driver was a breach of any prominent term and it is denied that this Claimant (understood to have a bare licence as managers) has standing to sue or form contracts in their own name. Liability is denied, whether or not the Claimant is claiming 'keeper liability', which is unclear from the Particulars. The facts as known to the Defendant: 2. It is admitted that on the material date the Defendant was the registered keeper of the vehicle in question, but liability is denied. 3. While working at a nearby premises, [___] the Defendant was informed by the manager that they had an informal verbal agreement with the developer and owner operator of [___], which supposedly allowed them to park there. Based on this information, the Defendant parked their car there in good faith. The Defendant was not aware of any restrictions or limitations to this agreement, and therefore believed that they had the right to park there without penalty. 4. The Defendant avers that the Claimant failed to serve a Notice to Keeper compliant with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. Consequently, the claimant cannot transfer liability for this charge to the Defendant as keeper of the vehicle. 5. The Particulars of Claim ('POC') appear to be in breach of CPR 16.4, 16PD3 and 16PD7, and fail to "state all facts necessary for the purpose of formulating a complete cause of action”. 6. The Defendant is unable, on the basis of the POC, to understand with certainty what case is being pursued. 7. The POC are entirely inadequate, in that they fail to particularise (a) the contractual term(s) relied upon; (b) the specifics of any alleged breach of contract; and (c) how the purported and unspecified 'damages' arose and the breakdown of the exaggerated quantum. 8. The claim has been issued via Money Claims Online and, as a result, is subject to a character limit for the Particulars of Claim section of the Claim Form. The fact that generic wording appears to have been applied has obstructed any semblance of clarity. The Defendant trusts that the court will agree that a claim pleaded in such generic terms lacks the required details and requires proper particularisation in a detailed document within 14 days, per 16PD.3 9. The guidance for completing Money Claims Online confirms this and clearly states: "If you do not have enough space to explain your claim online and you need to serve extra, more detailed particulars on the defendant, tick the box that appears after the statement 'you may also send detailed particulars direct to the defendant.'" 10. No further particulars have been filed and to the Defendant's knowledge, no application asking the court service for more time to serve and/or relief from sanctions has been filed either. 11. In view of it having been entirely within the Claimant's Solicitors' gift to properly plead the claim at the outset and the claim being for a sum, well within the small claims limit, such that the Defendant considers it disproportionate and at odds with the overriding objective (in the context of a failure by the Claimant to properly comply with rules and practice directions) for a Judge to throw the erring Claimant a lifeline by ordering further particulars (to which a further defence might be filed, followed by further referral to a Judge for directions and allocation) the court is respectfully invited to strike this claim out. 13. Whilst the new Code and Act is not retrospective, it was enacted due to the failure of the self-serving BPA & IPC Codes of Practice. The Minister is indisputably talking about existing (not future) cases when declaring that 'recovery' fees were 'designed to extort money'. A clear steer for the Courts which it is hoped overrides mistakes made in a few appeal cases that the parking industry desperately rely upon (Britannia v Semark-Jullien, One Parking Solution v Wilshaw, Vehicle Control Services v Ward and Vehicle Control Services v Percy). 14. Far from being persuasive, regrettably these one-sided appeals saw Circuit Judges led in one direction by Counsel for parking firms, and the litigant-in-person consumers lacked the wherewithal to appeal. In case this Claimant tries to rely upon these, the Defendant avers that errors were made in every case. Evidence was either overlooked (including signage discrepancies in Wilshaw, where the Judge was also oblivious to the BPA Code of Practice and the DVLA KADOE requirement for landowner authority) or the Judge inexplicably sought out and quoted from the wrong Code altogether (Percy). In Ward, a few seconds' emergency stop out of the control of the driver was unfairly aligned with the admitted parking contract in Beavis. Those learned Judges were not in possession of the same level of information as the DLUHC, whose incoming statutory Code of Practice now clarifies such matters as a definition of 'parking' as well as consideration and grace periods and minor matters such as 'keying errors' or 'fluttering tickets/permits' where a PCN should not have been issued at all, or should have been cancelled in the pre-action dispute phase. POFA and CRA breaches 15. Pursuant to Schedule 4 paragraph 4(5) of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 ('the POFA') the sum claimed exceeds the maximum potentially recoverable from a registered keeper, even in cases where a firm may have complied with other POFA requirements (adequate signage, Notice to Keeper wording/dates, and a properly communicated 'relevant contract/relevant obligation'). If seeking keeper/hirer liability - unclear from the POC - the Claimant is put to strict proof of full compliance and liability transferred. 16. Claiming costs on an indemnity basis is unfair, per the Unfair Contract Terms Guidance (CMA37, para 5.14.3), the Government guidance on the Consumer Rights Act 2015 ('CRA'). The CRA introduced new requirements for 'prominence' of both contract terms and 'consumer notices'. In a parking context, this includes signage and all notices, letters and other communications intended to be read by the consumer. 17. Section 71 creates a duty upon courts to consider the test of fairness, including (but not limited to) whether all terms/notices were unambiguously and conspicuously brought to the attention of a consumer. Signage must be prominent, plentiful, well placed and lit, and all terms unambiguous and obligations clear. The Defendant avers that the CRA has been breached due to unfair/unclear terms and notices, pursuant to s62 and paying due regard to examples 6, 10, 14 & 18 of Schedule 2 and the requirements for fair/open dealing and good faith. ParkingEye v Beavis is distinguished (lack of legitimate interest/prominence of terms) 18. ParkingEye overcame the possibility of their £85 charge being dismissed as punitive, however the Supreme Court clarified that ‘the penalty rule is plainly engaged’ in parking cases, which must each be determined on their own facts. That 'unique' case met a commercial justification test, and took into account the prominent yellow/black uncluttered signs with £85 in the largest/boldest text. Rather than causing other parking charges to be automatically justified, the Beavis case facts set a high bar that this Claimant has failed to reach. 19. Paraphrasing from the Supreme Court, deterrence is likely to be penal if there is a lack of a 'legitimate interest' in performance extending beyond the prospect of compensation flowing directly from the alleged breach. The intention cannot be to punish a driver, nor to present them with hidden terms, unexpected/cumbersome obligations nor 'concealed pitfalls or traps'. 20. In the present case, the Claimant has fallen foul of those tests. The Claimant’s small signs have vague/hidden terms and a mix of small font, and are considered incapable of binding a driver. Consequently, it remains the Defendant’s position that no contract to pay an onerous 'penalty' was seen or agreed. Binding Court of Appeal authorities which are on all fours with a case involving unclear terms and a lack of ‘adequate notice’ of a parking charge, include: (i) Spurling v Bradshaw [1956] 1 WLR 461 (‘red hand rule’) and (ii) Thornton v Shoe Lane Parking Ltd [1970] EWCA Civ2, both leading authorities confirming that a clause cannot be incorporated after a contract has been concluded; and (iii) Vine v London Borough of Waltham Forest: CA 5 Apr 2000, where Ms Vine won because it was held that she had not seen the terms by which she would later be bound, due to "the absence of any notice on the wall opposite the parking space'' (NB: when parking operator Claimants cite Vine, they often mislead courts by quoting out of context, Roch LJ's words about the Respondent’s losing case, and not from the ratio). 21. Fairness and clarity of terms and notices are paramount in the statutory Code and this is supported by the BPA & IPC Trade Bodies. In November 2020's Parking Review, solicitor Will Hurley, CEO of the IPC, observed: "Any regulation or instruction either has clarity or it doesn’t. If it’s clear to one person but not another, there is no clarity. The same is true for fairness. Something that is fair, by definition, has to be all-inclusive of all parties involved – it’s either fair or it isn’t. The introduction of a new ‘Code of Practice for Parking’ provides a wonderful opportunity to provide clarity and fairness for motorists and landowners alike." Lack of standing or landowner authority, and lack of ADR 22. DVLA data is only supplied to pursue parking charges if there is an agreement flowing from the landholder (ref: KADOE rules). It is not accepted that this Claimant (an agent of a principal) has authority from the landowner to issue charges in this place in their own name. The Claimant is put to strict proof that they have standing to make contracts with drivers and litigate in their own name. 23. The Claimant failed to offer a genuinely independent Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR). The Appeals Annex in the new incoming statutory Code shows that genuine disputes such as this would see the charge cancelled, had a fair ADR existed. Whether or not a person engaged with it, the Claimant's consumer blame culture and reliance upon the industry's own 'appeals service' should not sway the court into a belief that a fair appeal was ever on offer. The rival Trade Bodies' time-limited and opaque 'appeals' services fail to properly consider facts or rules of law and reject almost any dispute: e.g. the IAS upheld appeals in a woeful 4% of decided cases (IPC's 2020 Annual Report). Conclusion 24. The claim is entirely without merit. The Defendant believes that it is in the public interest that claims like this should be struck out because knowingly enhanced parking claims like this one cause consumer harm on a grand scale. 25. There is ample evidence to support the view - long held by many District Judges - that these are knowingly exaggerated claims. For HMCTS to only disallow those costs in the tiny percentage of cases that reach hearings whilst other claims to continue to flood the courts unabated, is to fail hundreds of thousands of consumers who suffer CCJs or pay inflated amounts, in fear of intimidating pre-action threats. 26. In the matter of costs, the Defendant asks: (a) at the very least, for standard witness costs for attendance at Court, pursuant to CPR 27.14, and (b) for a finding of unreasonable conduct by this Claimant, seeking costs pursuant to CPR 46.5. 27. Attention is drawn specifically to the (often-seen from this industry) distinct possibility of an unreasonably late Notice of Discontinuance. Whilst CPR r.38.6 states that the Claimant is liable for the Defendant's costs after discontinuance (r.38.6(1)) this does not normally apply to claims allocated to the small claims track (r.38.6(3)). However, the White Book states (annotation 38.6.1): "Note that the normal rule as to costs does not apply if a claimant in a case allocated to the small claims track serves a notice of discontinuance although it might be contended that costs should be awarded if a party has behaved unreasonably (r.27.14(2)(dg))." Statement of Truth I believe that the facts stated in this defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.
    • Hi, I was caught by the security guards today for shoplifting in John Lewis. I think total amount is about £500. They said they saw me on CCTV last week, I was freaked out so I admitted it. I know it’s awful… I cried as I was too scared and begged them pls don’t call the police. They took pics of me and wrote down my details from banking app as I didn’t have any id with me. I told them my difficulties that I was scammed £35k recently and I lost my job so I stole those things and sell them. I apologised and they said they won’t call the police but I’m banned and will receive letters from RLP for fines which including this time and the last time(I didn’t give back the goods I took last time). I know it’s very very bad, I feel shameful and so depressed so hopeless about everything happened. I wonder since it’s a lot of money, will they sue me, take me to the court, or will they change their mind to call the police when they check the cctv footage to check how much I owe them? I said sorry I really couldn’t afford the fine at this situation, they said it’s their job they can’t do anything. Later when I was out of the mall, the security guard said, I can call RLP to negotiate about the fee. Also I’m probably moving to another city in 2 months, so if they want to take me to court but I didn’t receive any letters what should I do… and the security guy told me it’s worse as I traveled to this city and stealing stuff. I’m home now but feeling awful, wish people could give me some advice, thank you very much.
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LTSB can't supply a true copy of the original agreement!

 

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So, i'm sending this letter on Tuesday! I've spent hours writing this! So would appreciate ANY comments/changes b4 letter is sent on Tuesday (27/02/2007)!

 

***BEGIN***

Mr xxxxxxxxxx,

xxxxxxxxxxxxx,

xxxxxxxxxxxxx,

xxxxxxxxxx,

xxxxxxx.

 

Lloyds TSB,

Consumer Debt Recovery,

Queens Road Quadrant,

Brighton,

BX1 3XJ.

 

BLS Collections (Trading name of Lloyds TSB),

PO Box 467E,

Oxford,

OX4 1WA.

 

BLS Collections Reference: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

 

xx February 2007

 

Dear Sir/Madam,

 

I refer to your letters dated 20/02/2007, addressing my agreement request from

BLS Collections and from Lloyds TSB returning the prescribed fee for such,

both of which were received on 22/02/2007.

It is the belief of BLS Collections that, "The bank is only obliged to keep some

documents for six years. The onus is on the client to keep such documents."

Whilst this maybe partially correct, it is the bank's absolute legal obligation to

comply with The Consumer Credit Act 1974 and supply a true copy of an original

agreement(/s) in full within the prescribed time limits, as requested.

 

The Consumer Credit Act 1974: Section 77 (4) If the creditor under an

agreement fails to comply with subsection (1)--- (a) He is not entitled, while a

default continues, to enforce the agreement; and (b) if the default continues

for one month he commits an offence.

The Consumer Credit Act 1974: Section 78 (6) If the creditor under an

agreement fails to comply with subsection (1)--- (a) He is not entitled, while a

default continues, to enforce the agreement; and (b) if the default continues

for one month he commits an offence.

 

Excerpt from a secondarily provided OFT complaint response:

"In circumstances like this we would view it is as unfair practice under

section 25 (2) (d) of the Act and relevant to licence fitness if a trader

failed to investigate and/or provide details as appropriate when a debt

is queried or disputed".

 

I am now informing you that I have cancelled the standing order payment from

my building society today and that my request as detailed above is not only in

default, but that an offence will have been committed on 02/03/2007. And that

it is now my intention to take detailed legal advise as for the purpose of

recovering all monies paid to you, and I am now aware that I am able to take

legal action against you in order to recover unlawful penalty charges

regardless of their age and within The Limitation Act 1980 including but

not limited to Section 32(1)(b) in as much that penalty charges were unlawful

but had been concealed as such by the bank.

 

 

 

I urge you to read the whole of this letter very carefully. As, as of today, the

xth February 2007, I no longer acknowledge any debt to Lloyds TSB. In fact,

in the near future, should you fail to address my concerns herein I will have

no option but to take legal action as detailed in the last previous paragraph.

 

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

 

 

 

Mr XXXX XXXXXX.

 

***END***

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Hi Dave,

 

You are rushing things here... they have not even defaulted yet ! Why are you writing to them at all ? They should have been aware of their legal obligations before demanding payment from you in the first place. Personally, I would not write... just let the clock tick on. It is not up to you to point out the consequences of non-compliance with a CCA request.

 

One of mine have long gone over the calendar month for a criminal offence... I have had no communication from them at all, despite paying them for 4 years and cancelling my Standing Order a month ago, without telling them first.

 

Just do what you have to do... cancel your Standing Order and if they write querying this, state that they have not yet complied with your legal request for a CCA and for his reason, the account remains in dispute.

 

:)

 

I've just realised.... "the docs were received on 22/2/07"... was this a typo ? Did you mean January ?

 

If so, then they will have defaulted (although not the full 43 days yet). If no-one can find a CCA, then the debt cannot be re-enforced, so there may be no point in re-claiming unlawful charges from the original creditor to reduce the debt when no CCA = no enforceable debt.

 

It depends on the amount of the debt. If you feel that the payments you have made have been in excess of the original amount and money is owed to you..... then you could send an SAR to the original creditor, but if you feel that the amount outstanding is in excess of payments made, incl. possible charges.... I would leave it alone.

 

Once again.... this is like yet another mine of mine (different lender).

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Yeha..! I'm trying to run b4 I can walk, and jump b4 I can run...!

3 months ago I would have hidden in bedroom for a month even tho i'm 41, 6'2" & 15 stone!!!

 

Want it all, but should play the waiting game like they do!

 

02/03/2007 is the date that they commit the offence, as per the exact letter of the law, 12 days after date served and then a calender month after for the offence.

 

Got 3 going now!

LTSB cannot supply. (Cancelled standing order payment)

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MINT (RBS Advanta) NEW & AWAITING REPLY

 

Knowledge is power!

 

Dave.

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Hi your letter refers to both section 77 and 78 of the CCA but I was under the impression that s77 deals with fixed sum credit (loans) whilst s78 deals with fluctuating balance type facilities (credit cards) so suspect you should be referring to one or the other but not both ?

 

I plan to use s78 to get some defaults removed from my credit file but I personally dont agree with people trying to welch on their debts using s77/s78. Reclaiming unlawful and unfair charges is one thing but if you know this facility / debt is yours then you shouldnt walk away from it - its not morally right. Remember too that this debt will still exist although they cant enforce under currenty laws - it may be a longshot but what would happen if you dont pay this for 10 years then the government change the law and decide it can be enforced (and there is a much higher amount outstanding) ?

All comments are my personal views - if in doubt then seek professional advice. If you think i've helped then please tip my scales.

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Stornoway

 

This is a forum to outline the CURRENT laws and what people who have run into hard times can do about it. It is NOT a forum to discuss the morals of any contributor to the forum. Please do not moralise about what diskmandave may or may not do or should or should not do, that is HIS decision and his alone. Advice he receives on this forum and what he does with it is for him to decide and him alone.

 

The majority of DCA' that are mentioned on this forum act outside of the law and without morals, that is why this forum is so helpful, successful and so many people access it to obtain advice to counteract the reprehensible contempt of those same DCA's.

 

As regards future law, none of us would contemplate taking the steps we do to face up to these DCA's if we waited for the law to change. We act on the law as it is TODAY. However I think we are all wise enough to realise that the law is always changing and at times it may support us but equally it may harm us. At the end of the day we are all responsible for our own decisions and certainly, with what I have gleaned in my short time on this forum most people appreciate that fact.

 

I am sorry if this message may offend you but the majority of people using this forum, do so for advice about the law and their rights as they stand today, so that they can solve TODAYS problem.

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Stornoway

 

This is a forum to outline the CURRENT laws and what people who have run into hard times can do about it. It is NOT a forum to discuss the morals of any contributor to the forum. Please do not moralise about what diskmandave may or may not do or should or should not do, that is HIS decision and his alone. Advice he receives on this forum and what he does with it is for him to decide and him alone.

 

The majority of DCA' that are mentioned on this forum act outside of the law and without morals, that is why this forum is so helpful, successful and so many people access it to obtain advice to counteract the reprehensible contempt of those same DCA's.

 

As regards future law, none of us would contemplate taking the steps we do to face up to these DCA's if we waited for the law to change. We act on the law as it is TODAY. However I think we are all wise enough to realise that the law is always changing and at times it may support us but equally it may harm us. At the end of the day we are all responsible for our own decisions and certainly, with what I have gleaned in my short time on this forum most people appreciate that fact.

 

I am sorry if this message may offend you but the majority of people using this forum, do so for advice about the law and their rights as they stand today, so that they can solve TODAYS problem.

You havent offended me - you are entitled to your opinion just as I am entitled to mine. On the basis of the law TODAY I have hopefully highlighted to diskmandave that there may be a potential problem with his letter and also that he should be aware he is not eliminating the debt through the s77/s78 argument he is simply stopping the creditor from enforcing - the debt is still there and he should understand exactly what his position is.

All comments are my personal views - if in doubt then seek professional advice. If you think i've helped then please tip my scales.

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From my understanding even if they change the law tomorrow, that would be for any agreements after that date surely.

Can they change the law and then backdate it?

 

as far as i have read so far, the new provisions in the cca2006 do not change the right of information. after april '2008 any new agreements will all be enforceable (via leave of the court at the worst/best)

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Hi your letter refers to both section 77 and 78 of the CCA but I was under the impression that s77 deals with fixed sum credit (loans) whilst s78 deals with fluctuating balance type facilities (credit cards) so suspect you should be referring to one or the other but not both ?

 

I plan to use s78 to get some defaults removed from my credit file but I personally dont agree with people trying to welch on their debts using s77/s78. Reclaiming unlawful and unfair charges is one thing but if you know this facility / debt is yours then you shouldnt walk away from it - its not morally right. Remember too that this debt will still exist although they cant enforce under currenty laws - it may be a longshot but what would happen if you dont pay this for 10 years then the government change the law and decide it can be enforced (and there is a much higher amount outstanding) ?

 

 

It's a combined debt from an old loan and old overdraft, hence both sections. I do agree with what you say about welching but the complete amount still outstanding is 100% charges that I can't claim back so am going down this route instead.

 

 

Regards, Dave.

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Happy days to you all! Sensible banter, good points from all sides, with polite sensible discussion and all done amicably. The whole idea of the site in my view. Good to see after some of the moronic personal onslaughts that i've read over the last few days.

 

IF i may add a bit! I try to look at it this way, for whatever reasons people challange these large companies, hopefully the upshot will be that they start to realise that THEY have to keep their house in order before hounding (in many cases) the general public. This site proves that bussiness administration in many companies is shocking. The sooner they learn that people are wisening up to their shoddy methods and sort their own procedures out then hopefully standards will improve for all of us. The days of we are bigger than you, do as i say not as i do are hopefully drawing to an end. Probably in many ways thanks to CAG and the people who use it.

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Agreement or not, it is abundantly clear these institutions have been, and still are, breaking the laws on fees, court claims, CCA and DPA Requests.

 

I for one have NO compuction in getting a debt wiped out if it is possible!!

The law is there for all of us and knock me down if you see fit, but if I can welch then so be it.

 

Look at it another way, they (the banks) have obviously been crying to the FSA bcoz now they are changing the law over enforcement, yet they see fit to charge UNLAWFUL fees even now.

 

They wouldn't be writing debts and the like off if they had gone by the book, it is as simple as that.

Please do not give them an inch, they WILL take a mile :eek:

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Agreement or not, it is abundantly clear these institutions have been, and still are, breaking the laws on fees, court claims, CCA and DPA Requests.

 

I for one have NO compuction in getting a debt wiped out if it is possible!!

The law is there for all of us and knock me down if you see fit, but if I can welch then so be it.

 

Look at it another way, they (the banks) have obviously been crying to the FSA bcoz now they are changing the law over enforcement, yet they see fit to charge UNLAWFUL fees even now.

 

They wouldn't be writing debts and the like off if they had gone by the book, it is as simple as that.

Please do not give them an inch, they WILL take a mile :eek:

 

 

I second that !! :)

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Another thought too, they returned the £1.00 on a LTSB cheque, if I cash it am I releasing them from the CCA request and the obligations that go with it?

 

Cheers, Dave.

 

In normal circumstances, I be inclined to think, that by returning the cheque they are admitting no agreement, therefore you are\were not our customer. In your case I see they have accepted that they do not have the agreement in any case.

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Another thought too, they returned the £1.00 on a LTSB cheque, if I cash it am I releasing them from the CCA request and the obligations that go with it?

 

Cheers, Dave.

 

Keep the cheque/PO and any correspondence that came with it.... don't cash it, just file it away. I also agree with Humbleman, but you need to cover your tracks in case there's any comeback.

 

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From other posts I ahve read on this site, once they ahve defaulted you can do something about getting the debt removed - have a look at this threda http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general-debt/56001-mike220359-blair-oliver-scott.html.

 

If there is no CCA, there is no debt (legally, i'm certainly not going to discuss ethics here) and so, IMHO, you shouldn't just let it lie, but do something about getting it removed from your file completely.

All help is merely my opinion only - please seek legal advice if you need to as I am only qualified in SEN law.

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After my high and mighty attitude in post 5, RBS have now responded to my S78 to advise that they cannot provide a copy of the agreement and "the current balance of 2.5k has been discharged and is no longer obligatory". This wasnt what I had set out to do (was originally looking for default removal). I'm not quite sure what to do now - any ideas ? Perversely RBS are saying that the default will be marked as satisfied under the terms of the CCA but this is rubbish as they have no agreement from me to process my data under the DPA.

All comments are my personal views - if in doubt then seek professional advice. If you think i've helped then please tip my scales.

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After my high and mighty attitude in post 5, RBS have now responded to my S78 to advise that they cannot provide a copy of the agreement and "the current balance of 2.5k has been discharged and is no longer obligatory". This wasnt what I had set out to do (was originally looking for default removal).

 

That's absolutely fantastic news! :):D:)

 

Don't forget to keep that peice of paperwork..... forever!

 

Good luck, Dave.

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