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The claim includes statutory interest under S.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from the date of assignment to the date of the issue of these proceedings in the sum of £49.15 The Claimant claims the sum of £972 What is the total value of the claim? £1112 Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? I dont know the details of the PAPDC to know if it was pursuant to paragraph 3, but I did receive a Letter of Claim with a questionaire/form to fill. Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? no Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Assigned/purchaser Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? I was aware, I'm not certain I received a 'Notice of Assignment' from Capital One but may have been informed the account had been sold without such a title on the letter? Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Yes Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Not since the debt purchase, and not from Capital One. Why did you cease payments? I can't remember - it was the tail end of the pandemic and I may not have had enough income to keep up payments - I am self-employed and work in the event industry - at that time. I also had a bank account that didn't allow direct debits and may have just forgotten payments and became annoyed at fines for late payments. What was the date of your last payment? Appears to be 20/4/2022 Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No Here is my Defence: Defence - 1. The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are vague and generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. I have in the past had an agreement with Capital One but do not recognise this specific account number or recollect any outstanding debt and have therefore requested clarification by way of a CPR 31.14 and section 78 request.. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. I am unaware of having been served with a Default Notice pursuant to the Consumer Credit Act 1974. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. I am unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment pursuant to the Law and Property Act 1925 Section 136(1) 5. The Defendant has sent a request by way of a section 78 pursuant to the Consumer Credit Act 1974, for a copy of the agreement, the Claimant has yet to comply and remains in default of said request. 6. A further request has been made via CPR 31.14 to the Claimants solicitor, requesting disclosure of documents on which the Claimant is basing their claim. The Claimant has not complied and to date nothing has been received. 7. It is therefore not accepted with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant and the Claimant is put to strict proof to: a) show how the Defendant has entered into an agreement and; b) show how the Claimant has reached the amount claimed for and; c) show the nature of the breach and evidence by way of a Default Notice pursuant to sec 88 CCA1974 d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim 8. As per Civil Procedure 16.5 it is expected that the claimants prove the allegation that the money is owed 9. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of section 136 of the Law of Property Act and section 82A of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 10. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief. .................. Please note that I had to write a defence quite quickly as I hit the deadline. At the time of writing the defence, I hadn't been able to find correspondence from Capital One, but had since found default letter etc. I submitted CCA request and CPR 31.14. However, I didn't get any proof of postage or use registered post for the CPR (an oversight) but did with the CCA request. I received a pack which included a letter from Overdales, going over the defence I'd filed, as well as letters of Lowells and reprints of letters from Capital One. But I have no idea if this pack is in response to the CCA request or the CPR ! I would have expected two separate responses ... although I do know they are both the same company. Looking over the pack today, and looking through old emails .. I find some discrepancies in the Capital One default letters (notice of default and Claim of default). They are both dated *before* an email I have stating that a default can be avoided. The one single page of agreement sent (so not the full agreement) has a 16 digit number at the top in small print, next to 'Capital One' which corresponds to a number called 'PURN' printed at the top of each of the 10 pages of ins and outs of the account (they're not official statements, but a list of monthly goings) yet no mention anywhere on either of the account number. I cant really scan them at the moment - I can later tomorrow, but that will be after the mediation call I'm sure. I guess I may be on my own for this mediation ... I am not certain the CCA request has been satisfied .. or if the CPR has been . And then I appear to have evidence that the Default notices provided are fabricated ? Yet, I do have (elsewhere ... not at home) Default letters from Capital One I can check ..
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Thanks for posting the CPR contents. i do wish you hadn't blanked out the dates and times since at times they can be relevant . Can you please repost including times and dates. They say that they sent a copy of  the original  PCN that they sent to the Hirer  along with your hire agreement documents.

Did you receive them and if so can you please upload the original PCN without erasing dates and times. If they did include  all the paperwork they said, then that PCN is pretty near compliant except for their error with the discount time. In the Act it isn't actually specified but to offer a discount for 14 days from the OFFENCE is a joke. the offence occurred probably a couple of months prior to you receiving your Notice to Hirer. 

Also the words in parentheses n the Act have been missed off. Section 14 [5][c] (c)warn the hirer that if, after the period of 21 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice to hirer is given, the amount of unpaid parking charges referred to in the notice to keeper under paragraph 8(2)(f) or 9(2)(f) (as the case may be) has not been paid in full, the creditor will (if any applicable requirements are met) have the right to recover from the hirer so much of that amount as remains unpaid;

Though it states "if any applicable ...." as opposed to "if all applicable......" in Section 8 or 9. Maybe the Site could explain what the difference between the two terms mean if there is a difference.

Also on your claim form they keeper referring to you as the driver or the keeper.  You are the Hirer and only the Hirer is responsible for the charge EVEN IF THEY WEREN'T THE DRIVER. So they cannot pursue the driver and nowhere in the Hirer section of the Act is the hirer ever named as the keeper so NPC are pursuing the wrong person.

 

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Interesting. Ok so everything they sent in response to my CPR request was part of that attached PDF, there were no other documents. I'll re-upload the original PCN from their response pack and leave dates and times in this time. 

 

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Ok thank you

Is there anything else I need to do on this at this time,

they've responded to my CPR 31.14 that I've uploaded here,

logged into the bulk court website with the intention to defend all,

so what happens next?

 

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Thank you for posting an unredacted copy of the NTH. I guess that it wasn't you who redacted the contract though both look similarly redacted. The contract has not been issued correctly since the signatories have been redacted and it doesn't appear to name them or give their positions in their respective companies. Nor have their signatures been countersigned by independent witnesses.

And No Stopping/No Waiting cannot offer a contract so no breach has occurred. You only stayed for a minute according to them?

 

I assume they with the sar you also received the copy of  original PCN sne to Arval. So could you please post that one up too.

 

 

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No they must've redacted the contract, that was like that when I received it.

Yes correct I was there for 90 seconds! 

Yes I uploaded the whole contents of their response to my CPR31.14, which included the original PCN 

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I'll dig through their documentation see if I can find it, if needs be could I request a copy from the PPC since they seem to want to take it to court?

Actually looking at the original post of mine in this thread it appears that I didn't retain any of their original NTK docs etc as I thought they'd dropped the charge since I hadn't heard anything on this in over a year.

 

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6 hours ago, northmonk said:

Yes correct I was there for 90 seconds! 

There is supposed to be a 5-minute consideration period.

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Right would that be grounds for a dismissal right there then, 90 seconds?!

Lookingforinfo - you're getting crossed wires buddy, we're in the hospital thread here, the ICO complaint was my other appeal the Locton estate one

 

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Yes, it would.

Especially as they are supposed to put up extra signs to show that parking restrictions have changed, which of course they won't have done.

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The fact remains that the original PCNs and NTHs contain details that, if wrong, can help your case especially when you are the hirer. You can be completely absolved from any claim by the parking scrotes. Yet you appear to throw them away despite having been told about their value from the first PCN you wrote to us about. 

We are doing our best to help you and you appear to be doing your best to thwart yourself every step of the way. 🤨

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Yes I only contacted you on this hospital charge at the claim form stage, I'd discarded the NTK months ago thinking they'd dropped it. In future I'll hold onto any NTK for much longer, although a year is a fair while, until it's obvious it's been dropped

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  • dx100uk changed the title to NPC/DCB(L) Vanishing Windscreen PCN Claimform - Taxi - Appealed - No Parking Or Waiting At Anytime - St Thomas Hospital, London, Se1 7eh.

what defence did you file by the 19th april please?
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Oh shoot i didn't!

I've not been through this process before and had completely forgotten the 19 days rule etc from the forum sticky,

what happens now then? 

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Ok

I've done my defence and printed it out ready to post first thing tomorrow to the court,

see attached pdf for my generic defence copied from sticky

obviously with my reg not left in on the defence form.

This defence is relevant in my case since I was there 90 seconds so couldn't possibly have entered into a contract right?

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1. Defence
1. The Defendant is the recorded keeper of xxxxxx
2. It is denied that the Defendant entered into a contract with the Claimant.
3. As held by the Upper Tax Tribunal in Vehicle Control Services Limited v HMRC [2012] UKUT 129 (TCC),
any contract requires offer and acceptance. The Claimant was simply contracted by the landowner to provide
car-park management services and is not capable of entering into a contract with the Defendant on its own
account, as the car park is owned by and the terms of entry set by the landowner. Accordingly, it is denied that
the Claimant has authority to bring this claim.
4. In any case it is denied that the Defendant broke the terms of a contract with the Claimant.
5. The Claimant is attempting double recovery by adding an additional sum not included in the original offer.
6. The Particulars of Claim is denied in its entirety. It is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief
claimed or any relief at all.
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