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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Hi all,

Apologies if I regularly sound thick when trying to understand things going forwards. I was always under the impression that these private company fines can be ignored but finally had one catch up with me and became a more formal thing. I checked some online forums and wrote up a reply to be uploaded onto MCOL website.

I made the mistake of entering my email address and they contacted me by email to say that I should settle:

Good afternoon


Having reviewed the content of your defence, we write to inform you that our client intends to proceed with the claim.

In due course, the Court will direct both parties to each file a directions questionnaire. In preparation for that, please find attached a copy of the Claimant's, which we confirm has been filed with the Court.

Without Prejudice to the above, in order to assist the Court in achieving its overriding objective, our client may be prepared to settle this case - in the event you wish to discuss settlement, please call us on 0203 434 0433 within 7 days and make immediate reference to this correspondence.

If you have provided an email address within your Defence, we intend to use it for service of documents (usually in PDF format) hereon in pursuant to PD 6A (4.1)(2)(c). Please advise whether there are any limitations to this (for example, the format in which documents are to be sent and the maximum size of attachments that may be received). Unless you advise otherwise, we will assume not.

Kind Regards, 

Cameron Miller

DCB Legal Ltd  

 

I did not make any contact and have since received a notice of proposed allocation to small claims track. I did check the mcol intermittently and could not see any updates so had hoped it had gone away. However, that has the following as latest updates:

Claim Status

A claim was issued against you on 20/04/2023

Your acknowledgment of service was submitted on 09/05/2023 at 14:54:46

Your acknowledgment of service was received on 10/05/2023 at 08:05:16

Your defence was submitted on 22/05/2023 at 13:17:06

Your defence was received on 22/05/2023 at 16:05:06

Case Stay Lifted on 14/08/2023

DQ sent to you on 14/08/2023

DQ filed by claimant on 14/08/2023

What does the "case stay lifted" mean? Would it have been stayed because they missed a deadline or is this now something that I am going to have to go to court for?

It appears to be related to a parking issue at a McDonald's car park, where multiple purchases were made but apparently some max parking time deadlines were exceeded.

Amount Claimed
£205.04
Court Fee
£35.00
Solicitor Costs
£50.00
 
Total Amount
£290.04
Issue Date
20/04/2023
 
I would really appreciate any advice and help on next steps. I have been given until 31st August ti complete a small claims direction questionnaire.
 
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  • dx100uk changed the title to UKPC/DCB(L) PCN Claimform -

first IT IS NOT A FINE!!.

can you please complete this:

 

and post up a copy of the defence your filed too.

we will also need to see bothsides of every letter scanned up to one mass PDF.

read our upload guide carefully.

did you send a CPR 31.14 when you got the claimform to DCB(L)?

get ell the above done please then we will have ALL the correct info to advise your PROPERLY

without each bit, we might make mistakes.

DQ is easy, but we'll deal with that once we read everything.

dx

 

 

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

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Thanks for the prompt replies- I'll get to work on getting it all PDF'd and will upload shortly. 

I did not send a CPR 31.14 after getting the claim form from DCBL. 

The defence I filed is as follows (I think it may have been sourced from this same forum?):

The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are vague and
generic in nature which fails to comply with CPR 16.4. The
Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r
16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a
specific response has not been made.

1. The Defendant was the recorded keeper of AA11 AAA.

2. It is denied that the Defendant entered into a contract with
the Claimant.

3. As held by the Upper Tax Tribunal in Vehicle Control Services
Limited v HMRC [2012] UKUT 129 (TCC), any contract requires offer
and acceptance. The Claimant was simply contracted by the
landowner to provide car-park management services and is not
capable of entering into a contract with the Defendant on its own
account, as the car park is owned by and the terms of entry set by
the landowner. Accordingly, it is denied that the Claimant has
authority to bring this claim.

4. In any case it is denied that the Defendant broke the terms of
a contract with the Claimant.

5. The Defendant has not been provided with any information to
identify the driver at the time of the incident in question.

6. The Claimant is attempting double recovery by adding an
additional sum not included in the original offer, at a
disproportionate amount.

7. The Particulars of Claim is denied in its entirety. It is
denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any
relief at all.

8. Further defence documentation will follow receipt of further
details to enrich the current particulars of claim, furnishing the
Defendant with more (any) concrete points on which the Claimant
brings this claim.

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not sure where 8 came from..:noidea: but thats utter total BS whomever dreamt it up...:lol:

get a cpr running tODAY . should have been done the day you got the claim!

.get a CPR 31:14 request running to the solicitors

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?486334-CPR-31.14-Request-to-use-on-receipt-of-a-PPC-(-Private-Land-Parking-Court-Claim

type your name ONLY

no need to sign anything
 

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Which Court have you received the claim from ?

  1. MCOL Northampton N1 ?

If possible please scan redact and upload a full page copy of page 1 of the claim form. (not the response page or AOS)

Name of the Claimant :           UK Parking Control Limited

Claimants Solicitors: DCB Legal

Date of issue – 20 APR 2023

Date for AOS - 8 May 2023

Date to submit Defence - 22 May 2023

What is the claim for  Particulars of Claim

1. The Defendant(D) is indebted to the Claimant (C) for a Parking Charge(s) issued to vehicle AA11 AAA at McDonalds Ardwick 327, 129 Stockport Road, ardwick, m12 4ab

2. The PCN details are 26/10/2020, ************* 

3.The PCN(s) was issued on private land owned or managed by C. The vehicle was parked in breach of the Terms on Cs signs (the Contract), thus incurring the PCN(s).

4. The driver agreed to pay within 28 days but did not. D is liable as the driver or keeper. Despite requests, the PCN(s) is outstanding. The Contract entitles C to damages.

AND THE CLAIMANT CLAIMS

1. £170 being the total of the PCN(s) and damages. 2. Interest at a rate of 8% per annum pursuant to s.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 from the date hereof at a daily rate of £0.02 until judgment or sooner payment. 3. Costs and court fees

What is the value of the claim? £170

Amount Claimed £205.04 

court fees £35.00

legal rep fees £50.00

Total Amount £290.04

Have you moved since the issuance of the PCN? N

Did you receive a letter of Claim With A reply Pack wanting I&E etc about 1mth before the claimform? Y, dated 17 March 2023, I did not reply

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Thank you.

The important things now are (a) to send a CPR to the fleecers' solicitors, (b) upload here the original PCN from the charlatans, and (c) send the court their DQ - you still have quite a bit of time to do this by.

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1 Date of the infringement 26/10/2020

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 30/11/2020 (cannot find an earlier letter- fairly sure I would not have discarded it... 🤔)

3 Date received Unsure

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] N

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Y

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] N

7 Who is the parking company? Uk parking control Limited

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Mcdonald's, Ardwick, Manchester, Stockport Road

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under.

BPA

 

Notification letter UK parking control limited McDonald-s Ardwick Manchester.pdf

N1 UK parking control limited (McDonald-s, Ardwick, Manchester)-1.pdf

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  • honeybee13 changed the title to UKPC/DCB(L) PCN Claimform - McDonalds, Ardwick, Manchester, Stockport Road

You've left the fleecers' PCN number on the claim form - you might want to redact that.

That's not the original PCN, it's a reminder letter.  Hopefully the CPR will produce it.  Make a note to come back here in a fortnight, and if the CPR hasn't come up trumps we can sort a SAR out.

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No need to do anything.  Fellow Site Team member Nicky Boy has sorted the problem out.

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Great, thanks. 

 

This is the final PDF of all the letters received. 

 

I think I've redacted all the relevant bits. 

 

I will get the CPR sent. 

 

Is there anything specific I need to add for the DQ- I assume I say Y to mediation, N to suitability for determination without a hearing, ask for it to be at my local County Court or remote, and am the only witness? 

I also have not been able to identify the driver to the parking company. Also, does this have to be posted or is there any way to email it? (I did try to contact the court for this earlier but was on hold throughout my lunch break so couldn't get through)

Final Compressed Single PDF of letters, UKPC-DCB(L) PCN Claimform-McDonald-s Ardwick Manchester Stockport Road.pdf

Final Compressed Single PDF of letters, UKPC-DCB(L) PCN Claimform-McDonald-s Ardwick Manchester Stockport Road.pdf

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dont use email. use 1st class stamp get free proof of posting from any po counter, it does not hurt if its a day or 2 late you are a LiP (litigant in person - joe public against the system- you get certain leeway)


https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/347310-legal-n180-directions-questionnaire-small-claims-track-correct-at-sept-2016/#comment-5088148

3 copies

yes to mediation (unless you filed our Statute Barred Defence OR this is a claim for a Private Parking Ticket)

1 wit you

Suitability for determination without a hearing? no (read all the posts in N180 link above for the reason)

the rest is obv

1 to the court

1 to sols (omit phone/sig/email)

1 for your file

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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When sending the CPR, is there any benefit to request photographs of the car being parked or do the company only need entry and exit stamps?

I'm fairly sure that the driver would have taken a few trips through the drive-through to get top-ups of coffee- this was during Covid lockdown times and everyone was remote working, so I can only guess that whoever the driver was was doing some work remotely and probably just lost track of time? The car park doesn't require exit of the car park to re-enter the drive-through, and re-order. 

 

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just send it as is.

there is no legal requirement for them to relpy...

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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also had to hide your post with all the letters

got to page 5 and already spotted various ref no's showing like on page 2 reg and ref showing

please recheck and remove bar codes and qrcode boxs too!! and put it back up

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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NHYPS,

You're thinking about things. Good.

The fleecers do try to use entry exit times as the period of parking... No! They're not allowed to do that.

As you read more threads, you'll pick up lots of wrinkles and cheats like this.

We could do with some help from you.

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NHYPS,

Something else fairly important is that the fleecers have made it clear in your first post that they intend to use email to serve documents on you.

This is very concerning. You must write to them (Royal Mail) telling them that ALL further communication is to be conducted by Royal Mail ONLY!

Get free proof of posting and keep it safe.

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You must have received a PCN  shortly after the 26th October through the post dated the 30th October. If you don't have it now you should receive it with the CPR request you sent. Failing that you will receive it if they  decide to take you to Court  it will be included in their Witness Statement to you. 

The first PCN is critical since if it does not comply with the Protection of freedoms act 2012 [ and many of them do not] then they cannot transfer the charge from the driver to the keeper. So yo as keeper are in the clear. and if you were the driver but have not appealed or told them that you were the driver it will be difficult for them to win should they take you to Court. [Courts do not allow them to claim that the driver and the keeper are the same person].

Whenever you receive the original PCN could you please post it up as it is often the first step in avoiding payment to those rogues.

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I worried I'd missed stuff on the pdf 🤦‍♂️

I'll re-post once I've edited properly. 

Also, I did note to write to them about email not being a mode of contact, from bradfordlad's thread. 

What does the 'case stay lifted' refer to? Is it just a formality for them to have it lifted, and does it mean that they missed some deadlines?

 

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Sorry for being AWOL...

Finally got round to uploading the CPR information received (a couple of weeks ago now)- hopefully correctly redacted

There is nothing about the contract with the landowner. and no reference to whether the driver had periods of time of re-ordering a coffee during the duration of the times listed. 

And MCOL has not reflected my DQ response yet, although I have proof of receipt as I sent it as recorded delivery. 

 

Redacted CPR Response mcdonalds ardwick manchester, Stockport road copy.pdf

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Excellent, so later on in your Witness Statement you can point out that they refused to show a contract or proof of planning permission when requested.

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Just a thought guys...

Would this very specific wording on their signage prevent them from using POFA?

sign extract.pdf

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